'Should understand what happened in East Pakistan, the atrocities committed': Imran Khan

[El Sidd]

And the result of Geography is in front of us. Care to explain what was in the geography that didn’t necessitate any troops?

Make a little effort yourself Indian.

Sowing was done by your political and military leadership. India just reaped.

India shaped the crisis after creating one.

 

[VkdIndian]

Make a little effort yourself Indian.

There is nothing in the geography that can be discounted in modern warfare. You Paksiatnis should have known this. Your generals were stupid to rely on geography for security of the East and we all know the result. Their stupidity was proven amply by being either blind or plain ignorant. Both damning qualities.

The precursor was corruption, power hunger, lechery and womanising. These traits were displayed by few generals in control of the events. This is not me saying. All these were listed in great details in Justice Hamoodur report.

If one wants to buy narrative sold by the very same losers then it can’t be helped.

India shaped the crisis after creating one.

Read just few paras of report by Justice Hamoodur Rehman. Your own Chief Justice. It gives account of all the events in great details. If you don’t believe him, then I am a small fry to change one‘s thought process.

 

[El Sidd]

There is nothing in the geography that can be discounted in modern warfare. You Paksiatnis should have known this. Your generals were stupid to rely on geography for security of the East and we all know the result. Their stupidity was proven amply by being either blind or plain ignorant. Both damning qualities.

The precursor was corruption, power hunger, lechery and womanising. These traits were displayed by few generals in control of the events. This is not me saying. All these were listed in great details in Justice Hamoodur report.

If one wants to buy narrative sold by the very same losers then it can’t be helped.

Geography is mainstay and a reality. Pakistan does not believe in military occupation and hence the upkeep of minimum deterrence.

East Pakistan administration was far less corrupt than any of the Government of Bangladesh and same goes for East Pakistan army versus Bangladesh.

Read just few paras of report by Justice Hamoodur Rehman. Your own Chief Justice. It gives account of all the events in great details. If you don’t believe him, then I am a small fry to change one‘s thought process.

That's just one man's opinion and no fact carved in stone.

 

[VkdIndian]

That's just one man's opinion and no fact carved in stone.

Events investigated and chronicled by a commision headed by the Chief justice of a nation are not the facts?

But the narrative of the same Generals that lost the war is cast in the stone?

 

[El Sidd]

Events investigated and chronicled by a commision headed by the Chief justice of a nation are not the facts?

But the narrative of the same Generals that lost the war is cast in the stone?

The report is not even fully published yet it made itself to WhatsApp universities in India. Much like that letter from ruler of Kashmir.

 

[nahtanbob]

Post-independence, Bangladesh Army bled for 20 years due to coups and counter coups caused by the power lust of overly entitled PMA Kakul-trained officers dominating the ranks. BA became a professional outfit with strong chain of command once PMA trained officers became a minority in the 90s due to retirements.

interesting take on the Bangladeshi military @Destranator

 

[VkdIndian]

The report is not even fully published yet it made itself to WhatsApp universities in India.

Who suppressed the report? That should give an idea about it’s contents.

It was finally declassified after some portions were published in India and Paksiatn. Even then, only the supplementary report was released and not the main report.

”In December 2000, 29 years after the inquiry was completed, the War Report was finally declassified in Pakistan by President Musharraf.[3] However, it was revealed to be an official supplementary report that was declassified, not the first report.[5]Former Pakistan Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa blamed the 1971 Bangladesh war debacle on the country's politicians”

Geography is mainstay and a reality.

Not really. WW II had proven amply that geography can play only a small hurdle. Nothing more. Generals were stupid to believe that few rivers could prevent an adversary. But, that was the smaller sin.
The bigger role of these inept generals was in mishandling the situation in the East, that led to the escalation and finally the war which was fought with poor planning. A planing based on hoping that rivers would stop an advancing army.

 

[Bengal71]

interesting take on the Bangladeshi military @Destranator

Nothing interesting about it. They were trained in PMA, so inherited their culture.

 

[El Sidd]

Who suppressed the report? That should give an idea about it’s contents.

It was finally declassified after some portions were published in India and Paksiatn. Even then, only the supplementary report was released and not the main report.

There are many factors which may have influenced the decision to held back parts of the report. Both Bhutto and Mujib have attained divine status in respective countries.

Not really. WW II had proven amply that geography can play only a small hurdle. Nothing more. Generals were stupid to believe that few rivers could prevent an adversary. That was a smaller sin.
The bigger role of these inept generals was in mishandling the situation in the East, that led to the escalation and finally the war which was fought with poor planning. A planing based on hoping that rivers would stop an advancing army.

There was no need for troops presence beyond minimum deterrence. Pakistanis both east and west did not expect open rebellion and guerrilla warfare from Mukti Bahani terrorists.

 

[VkdIndian]

There was no need for troops presence beyond minimum deterrence.

Proven wrong.

Pakistanis both east and west did not expect open rebellion and guerrilla warfare from Mukti Bahani terrorists.

Again wrong assessment. The guerilla warfare didn’t start in a day. It took many years in making. Justice Hamoodur talks about these sleeping Generals and how they slept through and then blamed meagre presence of troops to the loss.

 

[El Sidd]

Proven wrong.

Yes.

Again wrong assessment. The guerilla warfare didn’t start in a day. It took many years in making. Justice Hamoodur talks about these sleeping Generals and how they slept through and then blamed meagre presence of troops to the loss.

The East Pakistani bureaucracy had tacitly supported the insurgency bought out by opportune industrialists.

The region is prone to rebellious itch ever flamed by supremacist tendencies of the Bengali linguistic group.

 

[Rehan khan 1]

Mujib had no backing from either India or Soviet Russia until long after Operation Searchlight. Your information is sadly defective.


Even during his epochal speech on Ramna Maidan, Mujib identified himself and the whole of East Pakistan as integral parts of Pakistan. What he got as a reward was a massacre under Tikka Khan, on orders from Yahya Khan, who promised Mujib a solution at his meeting with him in Dhaka, and then flew back to West Pakistan, after ordering the crackdown.

So less of that 'disintegrated Pakistan'.

It was the West Pakistanis who disintegrated Pakistan.

Google Agartala conspiracy

Bangabandhu never intended to break Pakistan. His 7th March speech was a rally against Yahya's tyranny and establishment of equal rights for East Pakistan.
Both Awami League and ultranationalist Pakistanis/Faujeets try to give him false credit/blame:
(1) Awami League does it to undermine Tajuddin's cabinet in exile and cope with their guilt from the fact that the wider Awami League leadership including Bangabandhu contributing little to the Liberation War. If you notice, most of Awami League's top leaders were adults at the time but the majority did not take part in the war. In the lead up to Op Searchlight starting 25th March 1971, Bangabandhu was repeatedly warned by Tajuddin, lower level Awami League activists and serving Bengali miltary personnel that a military crackdown was impending yet he refused to declare independence.
BB was adamant to keep negotiating with the Establishment due to his staunch loyalty to Pakistan - this is a very inconvenient truth for Awami League hence they push the false and comical narrative of BB magically getting hold of an EPR radio and declaring independence right before his arrest on 25th.
BB's love for Pakistan is also evident by his lack of interest in prosecuting war criminals and strong desire to quickly normalise relations between Bangladesh and Pakistan post seperation.

(2) Ultranationalist Pakistanis and Faujeets on the other hand love accusing BB of conspiring with India from the start to cover for their precious Generals who wanted to get rid of East Pakistan at any cost to protect their power.
Yahya and the other Establishment bastards wanted
India to step in, use that as an excuse to label East Pakistanis as traitors and take no blame for seperation.

Indira Gandhi on the other hand, had no interest in getting involved even after Op Searchlight due to fragile economic conditions in India and poor state of Indian military.
Pakistan Army deliberately launched a genocide to create a refugee crisis and drag India into the fight. India still refused to intervene directly and instead chose to help out the Mukti Bahini Leadership with training and arms.
Paksitan Army was getting desperate from the beating they were taking from Mukti Bahini and India's lack of intevention hence they chose to attack India from the West.
India stepped in right at the end when PA forces were already retreating towards Dhaka. Niazi surrendered on the condition that they surrender to IA and not Mukti Bahini and therefore avoid getting lynched.

PA breeds cowardice.

Post-independence, Bangladesh Army bled for 20 years due to coups and counter coups caused by the power lust of overly entitled PMA Kakul-trained officers dominating the ranks. BA became a professional outfit with strong chain of command once PMA trained officers became a minority in the 90s due to retirements.

Google Agartala Conspiracy

Proven wrong.

Again wrong assessment. The guerilla warfare didn’t start in a day. It took many years in making. Justice Hamoodur talks about these sleeping Generals and how they slept through and then blamed meagre presence of troops to the loss.

Google Agartala Conspiracy

 

[bluesky]

Why there was west Pakistan army presence in East Pakistan, why wasn't a few battalions, rather a full East Pakistan army independent control and command was raised by the natives, local Bengalis.

And why was the bureaucracy, senior government officers from west Pakistan, Punjab mostly, this was one of the major cause of dissent and subsequent rebellion.

The East Pakistan locals would have stood firm in any warlike situation with India, the major concern.

In there stupidity, the measure that was taken to stop it became the reason for it actually happening.

Points to the fact that Generals are generally ignorant, narcissists, lacks farsightedness, lacks the empathy and doesn't know the ground reality.

The reason politicians are entrusted with this task.

I am surprised to know that you even do not know that East Pakistan was not authorized to raise an army of its own.

Only the GOP was authorized to do so and the East Pakistan govt could raise only Police and Anwsr groups. Even the East Pakistan Rifles or EPR was raised by the GOP.

Yes.

The East Pakistani bureaucracy had tacitly supported the insurgency bought out by opportune industrialists.

The region is prone to rebellious itch ever flamed by supremacist tendencies of the Bengali linguistic group.

No, it was the entire Yahya Khan & Gong that indirectly supported insurgency by killing innocent bystanders.

Yes.

The East Pakistani bureaucracy had tacitly supported the insurgency bought out by opportune industrialists.

The region is prone to rebellious itch ever flamed by supremacist tendencies of the Bengali linguistic group.

No, it was the entire Yahya Khan & gong that indirectly supported insurgency by killing innocent bystanders.

Yes.

The East Pakistani bureaucracy had tacitly supported the insurgency bought out by opportune industrialists.

The region is prone to rebellious itch ever flamed by supremacist tendencies of the Bengali linguistic group.

No, it was the entire ayahuasca khan & gong that indirectly supported insurgency by killing innocent bystanders.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The country is about to break up. You will understand when it is too late.

Yes PTI is at it , isn't it?

Make Imran PM OR break the country? Cultists.

 

[Dalit]

Yes PTI is at it , isn't it?

Make Imran PM OR break the country? Cultists.

You are right. We don't want to be part of PDM and military rule. You guys can keep it in Punjab and Sindh.

The rest wants to part ways from tyrannical rule. You should prepare yourself for what is coming.