Should Pakistan go with ICBMs after NATO strike

[regular]

I really don't know about Pakistan having ICBMs or not, but I agree with T-Rex, it we have, it's time to test it now. An opportunity provided to us by US itself.

Also looking forward to Pakistan acquisition of Qing class SSK with JL-2 SLBMs.

If Pakistan is not having its own ICBMs or not working on it already, then it better acquire DF-31.

ICBMs are vital for us to keep the enemy at bay. Those few of my compatriots who think otherwise need to think again.

No place for weak in this world and might is right here. To live with dignity, either stand up for your rights or die fighting, there is no middle ground.

There is also a possiblity that Pakistan has already tested their ICBMz secretly under the pretext of the other onez.......

 

[T-Rex]

There is also a possiblity that Pakistan has already tested their ICBMz secretly under the pretext of the other onez.......

Keeping it secret defeats the very purpose of having it.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Sorry for Troll but couldn't resist it.

Pakistani Leadership should buy some books on Chankya Niti and distribute it among it top People.

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"As gold is tested in four ways by rubbing, cutting, heating and beating -- so a man should be tested by these four things: his renunciation, his conduct, his qualities and his actions."


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[SinoChallenger]

I don't think it is feasible. Pakistan does not have this ability and USA is too far. Europe is possible and Israel is possible but then Pakistan has no real reason to target those countries. Pakistan does not yet have the missile technology to build an SLBM, so using nuclear submarines is impossible too.

 

[regular]

Keeping it secret defeats the very purpose of having it.

Yes! I 200% agree with U.They need not to keep it secret then...

 

[Mav3rick]

US will destroy those ICBM in mid ocean and if they are carrying nukes, then good bye to close-by countries as there may be a tsunami no one would ever expect. I don't think ICBM will be a deterrent

If it was so easy to destroy these MIRV's ICBM's, why would the US & Russia be at each other's throat over ICBM's? Besides, a weapon such as an ICBM is usually meant as a deterrent. If the US is made aware that the opponent has the ability to hit back US cities, the US will exercise restraint over her trigger happy soul.

 

[F.O.X]

As much as i like the idea of having an ICBM we literary cant afford it , To research & make an ICBM costs a lot more then our conventional missiles , Can we make it YES we can , can we afford it NO we cant

 

[Tshering22]

leave every thing aside

we need SAMs all over borders and orders to shot each and every hostile object try to enter pakistan

thats more more more then enough can we?

This is the smartest suggestion in the entire thread.

 

[Mav3rick]

But how do you plan to counter when the US will start to bomb Pakistan back to stone age?

That's easy, we may not have the means to take down their stealth Jets but we have the ability to take out all their military bases within 5000km's. No Bases for these jets to take off from and no more bombing.

 

[Mav3rick]

Pakistan does not have knowledge to build ICBM, they got missile technology enough to counter India. China will not share ICBM technology with them.

You can build it, but it will take time.

Taimur I & Taimur II are Pakistans ICBM programs that were almost ready during Musharraf's era, testing was never officially carried out as Musharraf was concerned about retaliation (financial) from Israel and US. But we have ICBM technology and for a while we have been working on MIRV for our BM technology.

Look at the history of Pakistan's development of military technology, they suddenly give you something and surprise the **** out of every one unlike India that starts jumping up and down at ideas of what they may have in 30 years.

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Rumours are of little value to the people in Pakistan at the moment when they need solid assurance from the state that Pakistan is not going to become the next savory dish for uncle sam after Iraq .

My friend we don't require assurances from any enemy.....unlike our politicians, we are proud of our country and this lot of 180 million is more then enough to defend our country against anyone!

 

[Mav3rick]

you do know that the U.S. can detect the difference between decoys and warheads right?

That would defeat the whole purpose of a 'decoy' right? so each decoy will be a smart device in itself......unless what you take as a decoy turns out to be the actual.....know what I mean?

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Which Nato country will you target the ICBMs at ... even friendly countries like Turkey are involved in the NATO would you target them too ? It will create more troubles to Pakistan at an international level , ICBMs surely would be for the purpose to deter uncle sam but will they take it for granted and allow Pakistan to aim its nuclear tipped ICBMs at them ... India would be happy but not sure if the west would allow that to happen

Are you guys totally insane? Have all you indians lost it? Developing a major weapon system that can hit the US/NATO countries does not, at all, mean that we want to hit them or would hit them! It just tells the world to let us live in peace or we would give them a taste of their own medicine! It will only be a retaliatory weapon if Pakistan is ever bombed.

 

[Mav3rick]

TARGETS? Would Pakistan target cities such as New York, Washington DC, etc? Or target American assets closer home? If so, what would be the need for a horrendously expensive ICBM program?

Can Pakistan produce an ICBM with a range of 13,000 km + to reach mainland America? That'll take another decade or two at least.

COST? $30 billion for a modest ICBM arsenal. Where's the dough gonna come from?

TARGET:Yes Pakistan would target each & every city if cities of Pakistan are bombed as well as assets/bases all around the world (including that that are in friendly countries, afterall there are no rules in wars). And yes we can produce an ICBM with a range of 13k+ because we are just as capable as anybody out there.

COST: We already have a lot of MRBM/IRBM/SRBM which did not cost us Billions of $$, the cost it takes the US to make an item can safely be slashed by a factor of 10-100 for us due to a variety of reasons. People make statements how the US has a defence budget almost hald that of the whole world and forget that the salary of their armed forces alone would be more then the rest of the world combined. You can take it up from there. As far as our ICBM is concerned take a look at the information available on Taimur ICBM and recently revealed information from Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.

RETALIATION. Would the US of A wait for a Pakistani nuke strike? In a decade they'd be having space based satellite laser designated systems that would be able to destroy any missile at any point in their trajectory. And what will become of Pakistan in a nuke retaliatory strike? (India and neighboring countries of South Asian would probably be devastated too due to radio active fallout!)

China will not be able to help either monetarily or by transferring ICBMs to Pakistan due to the MTCR regime. And being a signatory to the NPT it cannot transfer any weapon grade nuclear material to another country.

So the question, "Should Pakistan go with ICMBs after NATO strike?" is hypothetical at best and doesn't stand scrutiny.

Your post is based on the absolute belief that the US can shoot down any ICBM of any technology in any quantity. There is a huge question mark on that ability and any technology can be countered, some with minimal effort. So we will make sure that we employ any and all technologies that can guarantee strikes at mainland US if we are attacked including SLBM (Nuclear). We hope that the ability to hit US would deter any US adventurism.

 

[Mav3rick]

It would be the most foolish thing to do.
its not the capability that is missing, but rather the will.. and rightly so.
Our nukes have always been India specific..
And should stay that way.

Last I checked the US had murdered a lot more Pakistani's and bombed a lot more homes then the Indians in the past 40+ years. The US continues to threaten us directly and indirectly which the Indians don't and we can learn to live in peace with the Indians which we cannot do with the Americans.

So, a change in policy must be in the making by now.

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Could the Qing class SSK be a token for China's secret transition of the JL-2 SLBM to Pakistan? Since these subs can hold about 8 JL-2s by itself.

The deal of Qing class SSK was immediately announced after the US threat to attack Pakistan in May 2011.

Guess Britain had received the Trident II SLBMs from US, maybe this is not out of possibility.

Exactly. I wonder why this hasn't been highlighted by our all knowing Indian friends so far.

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Pakistan does not have the ICBM technology.

The proof? the best time to test an ICBM was in the last ten years when we were fairly immune from sanctions because we were needed for the WOT in Afghanistan.

Perhaps even our nuclear technology is a farce too, a façade to fool us Pakistani's, eh?

 

[Baby Leone]

well am against all kind of deadly weopons which are against humanity........
guys why we are acting like jerks americans?
dont know when americans starts thinking tht we are living in the same planet so its better to live & tolerate each others.....why this bastards americans shout of this terrorism so much? tell me after 9/11 how many attacks takes place on US & whts US is doing in the world is clear..

 

[regular]

TARGET:Yes Pakistan would target each & every city if cities of Pakistan are bombed as well as assets/bases all around the world (including that that are in friendly countries, afterall there are no rules in wars). And yes we can produce an ICBM with a range of 13k+ because we are just as capable as anybody out there.

COST: We already have a lot of MRBM/IRBM/SRBM which did not cost us Billions of $$, the cost it takes the US to make an item can safely be slashed by a factor of 10-100 for us due to a variety of reasons. People make statements how the US has a defence budget almost hald that of the whole world and forget that the salary of their armed forces alone would be more then the rest of the world combined. You can take it up from there. As far as our ICBM is concerned take a look at the information available on Taimur ICBM and recently revealed information from Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.





Your post is based on the absolute belief that the US can shoot down any ICBM of any technology in any quantity. There is a huge question mark on that ability and any technology can be countered, some with minimal effort. So we will make sure that we employ any and all technologies that can guarantee strikes at mainland US if we are attacked including SLBM (Nuclear). We hope that the ability to hit US would deter any US adventurism.

Excellent reply Sir!.......great.....!!!..............