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Pakistanis’ trust in civilian govt has nosedived: US survey
From the Newspaper | Anwar Iqbal | 22 hours ago 5
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WASHINGTON, Feb 14: Most Pakistanis have lost faith in their US-allied government and instead trust the military, says a Gallup survey released on Thursday.

Ninety-two per cent of Pakistanis disapprove of US leadership and 55pc of them fear greater interaction between Muslim and western societies could be harmful.

“The public’s confidence in the Pakistani national government — sometimes seen by Pakistanis as too cosy to the US government — has nosedived, reaching a low of 23 per cent in March and October 2012,” says the survey report.

This is down from 54pc in December 2008, shortly after the beginning of democratically elected President Asif Ali Zardari’s administration.

The trust in civilian government in recent years was the highest in 2006, 58pc, dropped slightly to 54pc in 2008, almost halved to 31pc in 2010 and fell to 23pc in 2012.

Conversely, confidence in the interventionist military — the organisation that has ruled the nation for over half of its post-independence history — climbed to 88pc in October 2012.

The confidence in the military stood at 84pc in 2006, came down to 76pc — the lowest in recent years — by the end of 2008, climbed to 80pc by mid-2012 and peaked to 88pc in 2012.

Gallup, one of the most prominent US surveyors, based these findings on a survey conducted from Sept 30-Oct 16, 2012, in Pakistan. The survey directly followed massive demonstrations against the release of an anti-Muslim film made in the US.

The surveyors predict that the upcoming May elections in Pakistan will be of “seismic importance for the future direction of the country and for US-Pakistan relations”.

The elections will mark the first time in the country’s history that a civilian government peacefully transfers power to a new civilian government.

“Insomuch as the role of the US in Pakistan weighs on the campaign dialogue, the perceived failures of the current regime might translate into the election of political actors that are more hostile or confrontational towards US interests,” the survey warns.

“The degree to which the US-conducted operations within Pakistan have weakened the political position of the existing Pakistani government is an open question,” the surveyors argue, “but the concomitant erosion of approval of US and Pakistani leadership on the Pakistani public’s part is impossible not to notice.”

Instead, Pakistanis put their trust in the military, despite its “meddlesome history in national governing affairs”, the surveyors add.

“What these trends mean for the coming election is unclear, but they suggest that the next few months could be of vital importance for the stability of the Pakistani government and the US-Pakistani relationship.”

The survey pointed out that President Barack Obama’s first term was characterised by strained relations between Pakistan and the US. Consequently, more than nine in 10 Pakistanis (92pc) disapprove of US leadership and 4pc approve, the lowest approval rating ever.

Pakistanis’ approval of the leadership of their ostensible ally, the United States, has historically been quite low. However, perceptions began to change, albeit modestly, through much of President Obama’s first term. As recently as May 2011, 27pc of Pakistanis approved of US leadership, the apex of support.

Noticeably, approval declined after the May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden, an event that many Pakistanis viewed as a blatant disregard for Pakistani sovereignty.

Concurrently, Pakistanis now more than at any other time in the past three years feel threatened by interaction with the West, according to a May 12-June 6, 2012, survey.

A majority (55pc) say interaction between Muslim and western societies is “more of a threat”, up significantly from 39pc in 2011.

This sharp increase is observed at a time of heightened Pakistani concerns regarding US encroachment on Pakistani sovereignty, including an intensified number of US drone strikes in Pakistan.

Nearly half of the Pakistani population (49pc) is between the ages of 15 and 29. The largely anti-western sentiment among these young Pakistanis suggests that, even as this sizable group ages and begins to have a larger role in Pakistani governance, relations between the US and Pakistan may continue to be fraught with challenges.
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That's political wing of ISI not all ISI - However this political wing should be abandoned. Spare ISI for external threat and push IB & FIA to do what they are supposed to do, if they are not capable than sack them and create new agencies with capable people.

it was abandoned by Pres Musharaf.

ISI is a wild horse , to tame it bring it under civil authority i.e Your PM who is accountable to whole nation.

No thanks....We r not interest in yr thoughts.
 
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@batmannow

There wont be any military coups anymore,no more army rule for better or worse,Pakistan's seeing a gradual transition to something that we can sort of call a democracy with the completion of the current civilian goverment's term,yet you still want that perpetual cycle of military take-overs to come back?

And speaking of schools what's your sad excuse for the peela-askool level english? It gets really annoying at times
 
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@batmannow

There wont be any military coups anymore,no more army rule for better or worse,Pakistan's seeing a gradual transition to something that we can sort of call a democracy with the completion of the current civilian goverment's term,yet you still want that perpetual cycle of military take-overs to come back?

And speaking of schools what's your sad excuse for the peela-askool level english? It gets really annoying at times

It has happend before, & it will happen again, till politicians nt learn to live without crouption ,greed,& self intersts ?
Jst check the history, nature can't be changed?
These stupid,prapoganda stuff, like of urs,r lies spoken with shaky hands?
Bt on the ground, states like N.KOREA & china just proving opposite?
Now, stop it & take out the books, teacher is here!
Its the school!
 
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Intelll, alret !
Master mind aressted, from queeta area chaki shawani!
4 Terrorsits died!
He is the planner of major terrorist attacks including this one?
Should we negociate with him?
What you say , supporters of PTI,JI,JUIf,PMLn,PPP?
 
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In US Pentagon has its own intelligence agency which goes by the name of DIA,
On the other hand we also have intelligence units agencies to deal with internal security like IB, Special Branch,CID, but half of the time these agencies a are used by the politicians to do their dirty work like in Punjab special branch is being used by CM to promote his agenda and keep tabs on the other parties. IB was made toothless organization i in Musharaf era.
We don't need a new agency but leaders who could take bold and blunt steps
 
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Trying to reduce red tapism with more bureaucracy, shabashay.

Pakistan does not need more agencies, what it needs is more efficiency by the existing ones and better collaboration between them. A lot of money is lost in corruption and the funds these agencies are assigned are peanuts compared to their counterparts around the world.
 
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I just realized that there are many countries around the world having many types of intelligence agencies.

Here is the U.S for example:



In Pakistan, is ISI the only one ??? If so, it is not good. The ISI's job and objective should be to win interests geopolitically. Its just bad when they are involved in domestic politics also. ^^ The above is a great setup and it should help solve our problems easily. Do you guys agree ?

NO.

THe intelligence agencies in the U.S. are always at odds with each other. THey don't share intel with each other. But due to a strong government they manage to co-exist. In Pakistan all hell would break loose, with each agency fighting for more and more power.
 
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above all we need a higher will to fight terror, & a leader like musharaf to fight terror not to negociate with terror, unlike NAWAZ, ASFAND YAR, IMRAN , FAZLUR REHMAN , MUNAWAR HASSAN?
& we should stop, sympthizing terrorist!
terrorsism will eliminated & probem gets solved?

How exactly you see to eleminate all terrorists? Musharaf did in 2003, and there was a rumour spread in whole NWFP that the bodies of people killed by PA, as glowing. When Radio Mullah wanted to spread he start calling that he has 80 thousand people in army, and was shouting non-stop. At that time even PA couldn't shut that FM up because of it's sources. Down the history propaganda is the best tool being used by Criminals and terrorists to achieve what they want. They will use it again, even if you bomb whole Waziristan, Khyber Agency, still there will be some relatives of them who will do this propaganda and will get support. The best way to deal with them is bring peace into the region and make people educated enough to make "Right" Decisions. Meanwhile ISI and other agencies can continue hunting Big fishes like Abdullah Masoud, and fazullullah, and to divide terrorist use same tool which they are using from some times like new leader emerges bla bla stuff, this will create confusion among terrorist stands. Increase security standards inside the cities while using IB, MI and most important Police. Use same madrassa as Government tools to elimenat this ideology.

Ideology can't be defeated by the war but better Ideology.

& yeah @topic

Pakistan don't need new agency but to improve old one and remove corruption from the government, which is causing corruption in FIA, IB, MI, FEA and FC which is the source of new problem. ISI is the best agency which is still in good working condition, but it can't do everything.. They are meant for external threats let them manage that
 
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ISI's main responsibility is to safeguard Pakistan's interest overseas, IB & FIA are for internal intelligence role.

THANK YOU!!! finally someone with sense!!!

and IB and FIA are under the PRIME MINISTER & INTERIOR MINISTER!!!! not the ISI or the ARMY!!!

hence ISI cannot be blamed for anything but the PM and Rehman Dakaait must be blamed!
 
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THANK YOU!!! finally someone with sense!!!

and IB and FIA are under the PRIME MINISTER & INTERIOR MINISTER!!!! not the ISI or the ARMY!!!

hence ISI cannot be blamed for anything but the PM and Rehman Dakaait must be blamed!

IB is under Interior Minister, Police, CID are under province. FIA & ISI are under PM
 
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