Should Pakistan act against the Taliban and Kashmiri groups simultaneously?

[BaburCM]

I am not unaware of the history.

My single point was to contradict Darkstar with evidence against his statement. He said Pakistan never supported Kashmir "militants" - I showed a post that quoted Musharraf as saying they did.
It has no bearing on anything else.
I accept your explanation of "certain mistakes" or even if you said "that was good for us then". The question is whether you should continue supporting groups which have guns and can change ideology/ whose ideology is not clear.

Who accuses that Pakistan is still supporting any such group? Why would Pakistan support such groups when these suicidal maniacs are threatening the very existence and fabric of our land? On the contrary, it only makes sense for the anti-Pakistan elements to support such groups in order to fuel more unrest and instability. Pakistan isn't supporting any such group. It doesn't have any purpose or stake in doing so. Yes, the Kashmiri struggle is legit and will continue even if Pakistan backtracks. Don't expect any peace unless India removes the occupied forces from the land of the Kashmiri's.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am uncertain whether the idea to take on two different sets of militant groups is a good strategy.

The Kashmiri movement has a significant amount of support in the Pakistani heartland, and with the military moving to execute an unpopular and likely very long and bloody war, it may not be possible for the GoP to risk or spare the resources to deal with the backlash from acting against Kashmiri groups.

 

[sergente rehan]

Kashmri people created diffrent resistance groups since India invaded Kashmire, i'm reffering to the Kashmiri people who are fighting from past 60 years for their freedom.

The mujahideen were always been there to fight against indian army, only in 1970's there were created more organized groups.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^ That said, Pakistan is going to have to ensure that no escalation from these groups against India occurs during the time its combating the Taliban, and no ones tries to pull another Mumbai.

 

[MilesTogo]

It’s tragic, weird and funny all at the same time. Talib’s are closing in, Balochis are all set to exploit the situation, American’s have stopped worrying about collateral damage and Pakistani’s are busy dreaming about Kashmir. My hope meter for Pakistan keeps fluctuating from hopeful to hopeless and then back reading PDF, Dawn and The News.

 

[DarkStar]

The only group that I see doing that, would be Harkat or Jaish. It is evident that they have sympathies with the Taliban, and Pakistan is effectively at war with Harkat, since their attempt to assasinate President Musharraf.

 

[DarkStar]

It would be akin to suicide, for Pakistan to open a new front by tackling Kashmiri militants. Apart from harkat/jaish, the others can be expected to resist the Taliban advance.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

and Pakistani’s are busy dreaming about Kashmir.

That's not quite true - this issue just sort of popped up on the 'Enough!" thread and was moved to its own.

 

[wtf]

That proves nothing. You first have to show that Musharraf actually admitted material, financial, logistical support of the militants. The statement you have given is of a third person, not Musharraf's himself.

Support so, then in this case, support could mean moral support for the militants, which Pakistan and Pakistanis did do.

I can't find the actual transcript, but would this Jan 3, 2002 report from Dawn count ?
Musharraf tells ISI to stop backing militants: report -DAWN - Top Stories; January 3, 2002

He asks ISI to stop support to militants, but says that Moral and political support would continue. What form of support did he cut then ?

If you would trust New York times

"For many years, Pakistan has denied that it had anything official to do with the groups on its soil that have been aiding an Islamic uprising in the disputed northern Indian border state of Kashmir. General Musharraf and his predecessors have all spoken of Pakistan offering ''moral support'' but little else. Now, in a sudden turnaround, Pakistani officials are acknowledging not only that these groups have operated with government aid and encouragement, but that they have been responsible for most of the attacks in recent years on civilians in Kashmir, which is India's only Muslim-dominated state."

Pakistan's Welcome Gestures - The New York Times

 

[MilesTogo]

There is this prophecy that world will end in 2012. I don't know about the world but I have started fearing doomsday scenario for south asia by 2012. I think time has come for Indians to strat digging basements...

 

[BaburCM]

It's very easy and not complicated at all. Instead of resorting to blame games, painting doom scenario's etc. the problems could be addressed effectively.

The PA needs all the support it can get from its so-called allies to combat the insurgents effectively. That means moral, financial and military support. No more blame games or seeding of any mistrust. Period. Any denial would mean a serious blow to effectively combating the insurgents. Also, the fighting on the ground and drone targeting needs to be undertaken by the PA. The PA requires drones which should be part of the military package. Any foreigners on Pakistani soil will only complicate matters. The sovereignty of Pakistan needs to be respected at all times. Pakistan needs full guarantees that India isn't going to undertake any anti-Pakistan activities from across the border in Afghanistan. Pakistan should be helped in erecting an electronic fence with bordering Afghanistan in order to curb illegal border crossing. Lame excuses such as ancient border disputes are outdated and ought to be neglected at all cost. Not doing so will result in mistrust and a lack of cooperation in the WoT. We need all the necessary equipment etc. in order to erect such an effective fence. The allies will need to be sincere in solving the problems at hand and not taking sides etc. Any side taking will result in a lack of trust. In the meanwhile, we shouldn't expect any miracles. It will take time to eradicate the problem. To be more blunt, you either help us, or face the dire consequences. It's as simple as that and no rocket science involved.

Kashmir, Baluchistan etc. are totally separate problems and need to be addressed as such.

 

[sergente rehan]

If India stop it's anti-Pakistan propaganda and Raw stop supporting terrorism against Pakistan, then Pakistan might think to counter also Kashmiri groups....but they are fighting for the right cause; the Kashmiri freedom...i don't think it's a good idea to open a meanless front against Kashmiri people desires.

If India called it self a democratic county then it should act like it. why they don't held clear elections, supervised by a third party or UN and let Kashmiri select what they want for themselves! after all it's among their fundamental rights, the one of many denied by indian Gov.

If Kashmiri gets what they want then there would be no reason for the existance of these groups....the solution is very simple! it's upon India if they really want to solve this case or continue to blame this or that.....

 

[sergente rehan]

There is this prophecy that world will end in 2012. I don't know about the world but I have started fearing doomsday scenario for south asia by 2012. I think time has come for Indians to strat digging basements...

dude this will not bad for only indians but the hole South East Asian countries.....it's better for us to build Bunkers against nuclear attacks rather then simple basements.

 

[godsavetheworld]

If India stop it's anti-Pakistan propaganda and Raw stop supporting terrorism against Pakistan, then Pakistan might think to counter also Kashmiri groups....but they are fighting for the right cause; the Kashmiri freedom...i don't think it's a good idea to open a meanless front against Kashmiri people desires.

So Kashmiris "desire" to be slaughtered in the hands of maniacs, who kill in the name of god? Precisely why terrorists have become unpopular amongst Kashmiris.

Kashmiris want to be with India, 60% voter turn out despite boycott calls prove that. Its high time you quit crying over Kashmir, because you are not even gonna get a pie of India's sovereign territory, despite waging the 3 wars on the same issue and losing them.

If India called it self a democratic county then it should act like it. why they don't held clear elections, supervised by a third party or UN and let Kashmiri select what they want for themselves! after all it's among their fundamental rights, the one of many denied by indian Gov.

Kashmiris are Indians, and hence have all the right to vote in a democracy like they did last year, sending shockwaves throught Pakistan.

UNSC resolution is a thing of the past, and has never been binding on India.
All the more, the resolution cleary states that the plebiscite can only be held when both sides completely withdraw troops and maintain them at minimum possible strengh. Now, that is not gonna happen in your wildest dream because IA will stay there as long as Pakistan continues to support terrorism.
So onus of a resolution lies squarely on Pakistan.

Should Pakistan act against the Taliban and Kashmiri groups simultaneously?

The answer is yes. It should act on both if it wants peace in the subcontinent. And things like Kargil, are only gonna hurt Pakistan more than India.

 

[jeypore]

According to international law, the Kashmiris are to be given plebiscite to determine their future. India has incorporated Kashmir into its Consitution. It's Constitutional terrorism, and the Indian troops on the ground constitute terrorists (I suppose the rebel fighters are, actually, but the Indian Constitutional terrorism is their reason to be).

Which part do you disagree with?

There are endless threads discussing same thing over and over again, the bottom line is you can consider them as freedom fighters, but once they cross over the LOC, they are fair target pratice!!!