should pak army standerdize the M4 among regular troops

[Aamir Hussain]

I don't know why we try to second guess professionals on what they should use and not use.

They r the ones on the ground, their lives depend upon the weapons' reliability and stopping power. If they insists on using a certain type of weapon then they must have a valid reason for it given the choices that they have.

M-4 is pretty reliable and handy in CQB, and the recoil is min.

I have shot more than 5,000 rounds from the old M-16 on rifle ranges and in field conditions and during exercises. Except for when using training rounds, I never came across a stuck round in the chamber or a misfire!

Recoil was never a problem and firing fatigue was never experienced. Ejector pressure was always the consistent (For me it was an issue as I was left handed and at times with training rounds i got my cheeks burned!).

I'm not propagating the M-4 here but I'm sure SSG's have a very valid reason for sticking with one!!!! They r the poeple on the ground.

 

[Saifullah]

G3M is also lighter, shorter and has an upgraded gas operating system. Pakistan would like to retain the 7.62mm round. If we decide to replace almost a million rifles, they must offer a clear advantage over the existing rifle.

G3M has gas operating system ?

 

[forcetrip]

I don't know why we try to second guess professionals on what they should use and not use.

They r the ones on the ground, their lives depend upon the weapons' reliability and stopping power. If they insists on using a certain type of weapon then they must have a valid reason for it given the choices that they have.

M-4 is pretty reliable and handy in CQB, and the recoil is min.

I have shot more than 5,000 rounds from the old M-16 on rifle ranges and in field conditions and during exercises. Except for when using training rounds, I never came across a stuck round in the chamber or a misfire!

Recoil was never a problem and firing fatigue was never experienced. Ejector pressure was always the consistent (For me it was an issue as I was left handed and at times with training rounds i got my cheeks burned!).

I'm not propagating the M-4 here but I'm sure SSG's have a very valid reason for sticking with one!!!! They r the poeple on the ground.

I am sure if you have shot 5000 rounds of the m4 you would understand that just because the 5.56 is a smaller bullet means that its effective range is less than that of the AK. The M4 bullet even smaller has a much better effective range that that of an AK47. Anyone with real world experience like you do will choose the m4 over the ak in any enemy engagement. The only reason I would choose the Ak over the M4 would be because of its maintenance. And the only reason i would ever say that is for someone who has never held a weapon or is not bright enough to understand how to maintain 15 pieces over 6 pieces.

 

[Selous]

The perfect rifle for Pakistan already exists.

 

[denel]

I don't know why we try to second guess professionals on what they should use and not use.

They r the ones on the ground, their lives depend upon the weapons' reliability and stopping power. If they insists on using a certain type of weapon then they must have a valid reason for it given the choices that they have.

M-4 is pretty reliable and handy in CQB, and the recoil is min.

I have shot more than 5,000 rounds from the old M-16 on rifle ranges and in field conditions and during exercises. Except for when using training rounds, I never came across a stuck round in the chamber or a misfire!

Recoil was never a problem and firing fatigue was never experienced. Ejector pressure was always the consistent (For me it was an issue as I was left handed and at times with training rounds i got my cheeks burned!).

I'm not propagating the M-4 here but I'm sure SSG's have a very valid reason for sticking with one!!!! They r the poeple on the ground.

simple... close quarter vs infantry which has to deal with a different set of parameters.

 

[denel]

We used R1 (FN FAL) till late 80's when complete switch was made to R4/R5 (Galil). Our environment where Angola operations were mostly close quarters in a bush environment where 200m was pretty much the maximum and hence decision to cycle out 7.62mm in favour of 5.56mm. R4 remains the standard in SANDF. R4 is a great great rifle - R1 was great as well but weight for weight for our environment, it made logic sense to switch over.

In your case, 7.62mm offers very distinct advantages.

 

[masud]

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The perfect rifle for Pakistan already exists.

what is the name of this rifle..........?

who calls them obsolete??

tell me is a $3,000 dollar rifle like the HK-417 30x more better/deadlier than a $300 AK-74M

people don,t know after AK how many super duper rifle came and gone but AK SERIES still is call the lord of the all modern rifle...........

 

[Selous]

what is the name of this rifle..........?



people don,t know after AK how many super duper rifle came and gone but AK SERIES still is call the lord of the all modern rifle...........

It's the ParaFAL...a slightly smaller and lighter version of the FN FAL

 

[majid mehmood]

guys we should develop our own guns
NO MORE LICENSE PRODUCTION

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We might start seeing a new rifle from next year ... I'm sure .. The committee will decide by than... (After testing n negotiations)..

Too bad PDF members can't decide it for the army ..

It's the ParaFAL...a slightly smaller and lighter version of the FN FAL

Dude why would anybody want a modified FN FAL?

 

[Selous]

We might start seeing a new rifle from next year ... I'm sure .. The committee will decide by than... (After testing n negotiations)..

Too bad PDF members can't decide it for the army ..



Dude why would anybody want a modified FN FAL?

What's wrong with the FAL for our purposes ?

 

[Saifullah]

What's wrong with the FAL for our purposes ?

We already have G3 which is quiet better then FN FAL.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What's wrong with the FAL for our purposes ?

They would have standardised the new G3Ms n S variants ... Instead of looking for a new weapon .. If they ever wanted a gun from the 70s..

Even the Indians replaced the SLR (FN FAL) decades back.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Im against M4 standardization in Pakistan

The only possible way is if we produce fully technology in-house so much so that its production doesnt effect us under any form of sanctions nor this should be seen or allowed by Pakistan to be forced under pressure to knee down on American demands either present or future.

 

[thrilainmanila]

i started the thread, because i'd noticed normal pak soldiers with the M-4, with the americans leaving behind equipment maybe some of it could be given to the pak army.
the G3M is a poor effort in my opinion, the G-3 has had its day, its design is a 50s design, its not as robust as the AK or M-16 design its time to move on,