Should ISI be helping India?

[niaz]

While my heart goes out to the relations of the two hundred or so innocent victims of this savagery, there is no need to bend over backwards to prove Pakistan's innocence. Condemnation in the strongest possible terms and offer to co-operate in any way possible should have been enough.

Whether this co-opeartion involved sending of ISI chief to India or not, should have been left to the parliament. There has to be limit as to what we are peapred to do appease India.

 

[s90]

Govt accepts India’s plea for ISI help in Mumbai probe

ISLAMABAD: A spokesman for the Prime Minister’s House said late on Friday night that a representative of ISI would visit India, instead of the director-general of the agency, to help in the Mumbai terrorist attack investigation.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has convened a special meeting of the cabinet at the PM’s Secretariat here on Saturday

 

[s90]

US, UK, Israel ramp up intelligence aid to India

WASHINGTON: Unprecedented intelligence cooperation involving investigating agencies and spy outfits of India, United States, United Kingdom and
Israel has got underway to crack the method and motive behind the Mumbai terrorist massacre, now widely blamed on Islamist radicals who appeared to have all four countries on their hit list when they arrived on the shores of India.

 

[batmannow]

No I don't think so, Pakistan should send ISI chief after few days when tempers cool down, What is the harm ? Gillani could have clubbed this with Indian intelligence chief to visit Pakistan, And negotiated for regular exchanges.

As this incident is too big and can blow out of proportion

Goodperson; sir
this could be the frist time, that i ever agree to your any point of view !
i guss, its a very good idea, to bring the both intellegiences on one united fornt , to take on the terrorism, & off course the game of external powers , who are doing thier dirty work to distablize the whole south east asian region!
it doesnt , needed that ISI chief should go to india, it would be better to have a team of investigators from both ISI & RAW, I am sure that , both of them are fully capable of finishing the terror from south east asia .

 

[Vinod2070]

Obviously the visit is not about learning investigative techniques from the ISI chief. No one except some people here would believe that ISI is competent and efficient though It may be ruthless.

It is to present him the evidence collected that proves the links of the perpetrators to Pakistan.

Other agencies that are involved like FBI etc, had their nationals killed in the cowardly terror attacks. One doesn't know of any Pakistani nationals that were killed except may be the perpetrators themselves.

So let's stop pretending it is some kind of unspecified "help". What help could he possibly give? The only help would be to help bring the perpetrators to book.

And no one is blaming Pakistan as a country, nor its general people who are themselves victims of terror.

Why should someone feel offended if LET hand is found and the proof shared with the Pakistan government. This is what the visit is about.

To me it doesn't matter whether it is Pasha or some other senior ISI person. What matters is whether the evidence is taken seriously and follow up action taken or we would see a repetition of the past. Pasha being present would only mean Pakistan is taking the issue seriously.

 

[Awesome]

Obviously the visit is not about learning investigative techniques from the ISI chief. No one except some people here would believe that ISI is competent and efficient though It may be ruthless.

It is to present him the evidence collected that proves the links of the perpetrators to Pakistan.

Other agencies that are involved like FBI etc, had their nationals killed in the cowardly terror attacks. One doesn't know of any Pakistani nationals that were killed except may be the perpetrators themselves.

So let's stop pretending it is some kind of unspecified "help". What help could he possibly give? The only help would be to help bring the perpetrators to book.

And no one is blaming Pakistan as a country, nor its general people who are themselves victims of terror.

Why should someone feel offended if LET hand is found and the proof shared with the Pakistan government. This is what the visit is about.

To me it doesn't matter whether it is Pasha or some other senior ISI person. What matters is whether the evidence is taken seriously and follow up action taken or we would see a repetition of the past. Pasha being present would only mean Pakistan is taking the issue seriously.

News is coming in that the Indian foreign minister spoke very rudely to the Pakistanis and even threatened war, and hence the decision was taken to snub India and not send Shuja.

Geo is reporting that right now.

 

[Vinod2070]

News is coming in that the Indian foreign minister spoke very rudely to the Pakistanis and even threatened war, and hence the decision was taken to snub India and not send Shuja.

Geo is reporting that right now.

Pakistan offered to send Shuja. Now it has gone back on the word. We couldn't care less.

What matters is if the evidence is there and it is followed up and acted upon.

Otherwise India would have to go for whatever diplomatic or other means necessary to protect the lives of it's citizens. Let us hope it doesn't lead to the gains of the last few years going down the water. I believe Pakistan government has it's hands clean and should offer the full co-operation.

 

[Flintlock]

^That's strange because Zardari is saying that it was a miscommunication, and they never intended to send the ISI Chief in the first place!! He says that they intended to send a Director level officer all along.

He also said that they could send the ISI head sometime later when the cooperation between the agencies is well underway.

 

[Awesome]

Pakistan offered to send Shuja. Now it has gone back on the word. We couldn't care less.

What matters is if the evidence is there and it is followed up and acted upon.

Otherwise India would have to go for whatever diplomatic or other means necessary to protect the lives of it's citizens. Let us hope it doesn't lead to the gains of the last few years going down the water. I believe Pakistan government has it's hands clean and should offer the full co-operation.

Well India will need to learn to say please.

 

[Awesome]

^That's strange because Zardari is saying that it was a miscommunication, and they never intended to send the ISI Chief in the first place!! He says that they intended to send a Director level officer all along.

He also said that they could send the ISI head sometime later when the cooperation between the agencies is well underway.

Well thats what they'll say now. Apparently the diplomatic quarrel happened behind the scenes.

 

[Vinod2070]

Well India will need to learn to say please.

Let us keep the context. The Indian government seems to have the evidence to prove that some Pakistani elements were involved in this atrocity. It is now in your interest to come clean and handover those elements to India once the evidence is presented.

There will not be any favour done by any party to the other.

And I am sure the evidence will be shared with some of the international agencies too and will be fool proof.

The onus will be on Pakistan to show the goodwill and that it means business, it should not require any prodding or any diplomatic niceties.

It is but natural for India to be angry. It is Pakistan government's responsibility to prevent it's country to be used against others in the first place.

It should not be kindly requested to do what it should be doing anyways. That is exactly what the issue is on your Western border now.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I think the change in attitude from the Pakistani side, and what Asim referred to in terms of India learning some 'etiquette', is being attributed to this:

ISLAMABAD: The Chief of Army Staff (COAS) and the Director General of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) met here on Saturday to discuss the situation prevailing due to the recent incidents of terrorism in Mumbai.

Geo News senior correspondent Hamid Mir has said that Pakistan army officials held an important briefing session with a group of senior journalists. The military officials said that after Mumbai attacks, the Indian External Affairs Minister, Pranab Mukherjee called senior Pakistani officials and gave threats. The officials said that it seems as if Indian authorities wanted to ‘escalate’ the already fragile situation.

Considering the gravity of situation, Pakistan has made it clear to the United States of America and its allies in Europe that if India keeps blaming Pakistan for Mumbai attacks, Pakistan would have no option but to pull back its troops from the Western border to Eastern border. India has also put its air defence on high alert, they added.

According to well-placed sources, it has been made clear to the US and European Union (EU) that in case of any eventuality, India will have to suffer more than Pakistan. Mir said there are indications suggesting that Pak army is being pulled out from the Western border. Military sources also said that instead of pointing fingers at neighbours, India should address the root causes of terrorism inside its own territory.

Indian puts air defence on high alert: Military sources

Cooperation does need to happen, but tempers need to cool, and the proper channels need to be followed, and incidents such as this alleged one are counterproductive.

 

[Awesome]

Let us keep the context. The Indian government seems to have the evidence to prove that some Pakistani elements were involved in this atrocity. It is now in your interest to come clean and handover those elements to India once the evidence is presented.

There will not be any favour done by any party to the other.

And I am sure the evidence will be shared with some of the international agencies too and will be fool proof.

The onus will be on Pakistan to show the goodwill and that it means business, it should not require any prodding or any diplomatic niceties.

It is but natural for India to be angry. It is Pakistan government's responsibility to prevent it's country to be used against others in the first place.

It should not be kindly requested to do what it should be doing anyways. That is exactly what the issue is on your Western border now.

You have nothing so far!

Some guy saying hes a Pakistani doesn't make him true. He could be lying on your behest.

Look Pakistan can just snub India for whatever it demands if it feels Indians are just lying to save face. However we will keep talking to clear our good name. But if any dumb prick wants to have a fight with us, we'll be ready for that too.

 

[Vinod2070]

You have nothing so far!

Some guy saying hes a Pakistani doesn't make him true. He could be lying on your behest.

Look Pakistan can just snub India for whatever it demands if it feels Indians are just lying to save face. However we will keep talking to clear our good name. But if any dumb prick wants to have a fight with us, we'll be ready for that too.

Let us wait for the evidence to come out and be shared. It should be convincing enough for everyone involved.

Let us not jump the gun based on media reports only.

 

[Imran Khan]

RAW chief visited Pakistan last year



Saturday, November 29, 2008

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

ISLAMABAD: Indian intelligence gathering agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) chief Ashok Chatuarvedi visited Pakistan soon after taking over the agency last year and had extensive discussions with the relevant authorities here, credible diplomatic sources revealed to this scribe.

The former intelligence heads from Pakistan received him but the whole episode was kept under thick curtain and no information was made available to the media. The RAW chief came here with a high-level delegation and spent two days in Islamabad. It was the first such visit by the RAW chief to Pakistan. He assured Pakistan’s authorities that New Delhi would not be getting involved in any mischief towards Pakistan as long Islamabad is busy with the war in the tribal areas.

The RAW chief’s visit took place at the behest of major western capitals siding Pakistan in the war on terror. Islamabad subsequently reported these capitals about the assurances given by the India’s spymaster, the sources added.

As Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh has requested for dispatching Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha to New Delhi, some observers term the demand misplaced, saying, such visits take place after working out specific agenda and with fair amount of preparations of the parameters of the discussions.

The presence of Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in the Indian capital on the day the request was made shows total disregard of democratic dispensation in Pakistan by the democratic India’s leaders. In the presence of a high-stature political official in New Delhi, asking for a particular government functionary/ senior officer to turn up for discussion is ridiculous and has no linking with the affairs in question.

General Pasha is extremely busy with the situation in federally administered tribal areas (Fata) where the real battle is being fought against the terrorism and would not be free soon to visit to the Indian capital. The visit to any other capital could disturb the focus of the general, who is doing a precious job on war against terror.

Well-placed sources told The News here Friday that Indian leadership is trying hard to establish that it has succeeded in prevailing upon Pakistan on account of the incidents of Mumbai but it has forgotten that Pakistan’s foreign minister with whom highest-level meetings are being called off on one end while on the other asking for the ISI chief speaks of mischief on the part of Indian leadership. The Indians want to prove mainly two things through the visit; first the ISI is having connection with such activities, and second Pakistan has conceded its involvement in the gory incidents of Mumbai. Indians who are notorious for playing through such gimmickry could give any twist about the presence of a General from Pakistan Army on Indian soil.

Meanwhile, diplomatic observers are surprised about the allegation mongering about Pakistan by the Indian leaders in the presence of Pakistan’s foreign minister in New Delhi. Ironically, Indian Ministry for External Affairs did not contact/brief about it complaints to Pakistan’s high commissioner in New Delhi and the Indian minister for external affairs did not take up the issue with his counterpart from Pakistan who is present next door to him. The observers are of the view that the Indian prime minister has transgressed Pakistan’s sovereignty by asking a particular official in the name of sharing intelligence. He could ask for dispatching some senior official for such discussion, the observers said.

The president and prime minister have also responded in irresponsible manners. They were not supposed to respond the Indian leader immediately instead they could ask him to wait for the reply that would come after in-home discussions. Their haste was indecent and it shows their panic that was uncalled for, the observers said.

In the meanwhile, Inter-service Public Relations (ISPR) sources have made it clear that no general from the army has planned to visit India. The government will give the charter for the same and after that the visit would be deliberated. The government has yet to give any formal instructions for undertaking any trip.