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Should India remove anti-minority hate from it's textbooks?

I hope for the freedom of Dalits and the removal of the vulgar caste system. Human rights must be respected. India needs to respect human rights and give equal opportunity regardless of religion, caste, skin colour, etc.
From when will China start granting CCP membership to the Uighurs???

:lol:They have also started to term the Jains as deprived Minority,one of Indias thriving Industrial classes who actually regard themselves as Hindus and also follow the caste system themself!!!
 
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No, it's not that much of an issue to open a thread. It's actually pretty easy and it does not require huge acts of valor as you suggest.

I said I will choose not to but I already have - although, I don't need to prove this to you as the site (along with this world) is free for you to choose to do whatever you please without anyone's dictation.



I am ready to discuss it on D F I and I was discussing it but they banned me out of embarrassment and insecurity.

they banned u out of insecurity???and yet u start doing the same thing again and again everybody around u is wrong except u .is that what ur sayn??..u must be just a kid..ur big talking about fundamental rights and everything but u should know that even fundamental rights got exceptions and limitations.just so u got a mouth doesnt mean that u can blabber what ever u want..u r welcome to discus anything which is sane after doing bit of study..dnt generalize indians u've never tried to understand an indian u never talked to an indian other than ur stupid trolls..try to discuss things with some dignity..and u'll learn some..next time u want to troll somebody think twice..because this time u'll be banned again..this forum prohibits indians to open anti pakistani threads and so we respect it..and people like u are misusing it..this is not just ur forum..it equally belongs to me aswell.if the admin thinks not to allow indians he would have done it..give it a thought
 
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Thanks to the whipping, constitution was ready in 3.5 years and 63rd year running. If Pakistan had also scared their constitution writers with bodily harm using guns, bombs etc, they would have gotten theirs before the 9 years it took and would have lasted more than the 2 years it did.
 
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I'm really surprised by the hostile attitude of the Indian members; if you can defend your viewpoint, you can do it in a civil manner. Gotti, has remained civil and given links; why don't we go into the subject deeply? The Pakistani textbooks have been discussed often and can also be used for a comparision but I really don't think that for us discussing Indian textbooks is bad or malicious.
 
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he is hitting the snail..the cartoon symbolises the slow pace at which constitution is being framed..people like you tried to make issue out of it nothing big..

I think the OP believes that snail's are minority in India and dalits are snail's.
 
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:omghaha:

Playing the typical Indian tactic of diversion and keep the issues stuck to Islam and Pakistan so their own issues are never addressed (or presented). Head in the sand, much? :omghaha::omghaha:

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Nah,You just don't wanna


It quotes Arabs, not South Asian Muslims, influenced by the local architecture (although, Taj Mahal looks nothing like Khajuraho :omghaha:)

Chinese architecture influenced mosques in China but I won't be sharing pictures now as it will be too irrelevant and might burden your brain, too much.

No where it says so

It was also claimed that the designs of the tombs of the mosques have been derived from Hindu temples. The entrances of the mosques also resemble the entrances of the temples.

This is the quote,It is clearly quote on Indian context.I don't care whether Kajuraho looks like Tajmahal or not,But it certainly finest
example of Indian architecture.

I would like actual proof of this non sense because no one includes that in their tenets and the religion cannot be taught as you perceive and what suits your liking. If a Muslim is saying that it is not, and so are scholars and every other secular or neutral book available on the subject, then it should be of no question, that it isn't.

Really tell that to Saudi Arabia,How they are using Salafi ideology to justify the tyrannical rule of House of Saud.Mr Hypocrite Why don't you tell them to teach a neutral perspective that is acceptable to all sects of Islam.

This has been the first time I heard this non-sense after hearing all the misconceptions floating around in the internet. I've heard things like the Qur'an's first line teaches that you should kill everyone who doesn't believe in their religion. That was fantastic (root word: fantasy), but this is even worse because not only is it written in the way it has, it is being defended by you.

No other country in the world, that teaches world religions teaches this as they prefer to teach what people actually believe and not what they want to portray as them believing it.

By defending that non-sense, you are trying to impose illogical bullsh!t in the textbook on people. It's like me telling you believe the sky is green, when you don't believe that and then, one of my followers starts defending you believing that.

And the mention of Shiites only goes to show that your source of information is Indian media's talking points against Pakistan.


The Shiite agitation is active in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi's province of Qatif. It's a regional cold-war being played out and not something that you can cleverly shove down our throats.

BTW, I will wait for you to prove that it is a tenet in other sects and I will laugh at you being refuted because Shiites don't even believe in such a concept starting with "j" :omghaha:

I only played along to let you think you were able to actually get into a purposeful debate but you weren't.

No,You are just full of Hatred and prejudice towards India.You believe we are teaching hatred on Islam.This claim came from a fundamentalists sunni outfit and you are blindly regurgitating it here with out having any proper perspective on the Issue.If any body teaches "J" word as tenent then its obvious that it has some thing to do with Shiite beliefs and Of course Sunnis won't like it.But we don't tow the line of a Sunnis.If childrens have to learn about a religion then they have to learn it from all perspective.That's the true neutral line.If you don't like it then its your problem not ours.


Along with not knowing that it wasn't Indian Hakeems, you also don't know that it's Greco-Roman and not "Greeko Roman".
Just a typo.You made similar one in your early post.

Furthermore, you also don't know that the word Hakeem was not introduced into Indian society till after the Turkic invasion. Therefore, we don't even know what this means in the Indian context?What does it mean when it says Hakeem? Are we referring to Indian Sants, Gurus, Pandits? Who are these Hakeems?

Hakeems are Physicians and Muslims existed in South India even before Arab or Turkic Invasion.They had Hakims

And the last point on this nonsensical argument is that it is widely known by all secular sources that the European Renaissance was triggered by the Arabs in Spain (I don't glorify Arabs as I am not of their ethnicity - I am only reporting history).

It was done because of their access to Roman literature that the Europeans had rejected during their "Dark Ages".

It was the Jews and Muslims in Spain who had their "Golden Age" due to this literature.

No such reference is ever made to Indian involvement or inclusion in this - even before.


That's just one reason for renaissance,More important reasons include Black Death and subsequent decline of Church's power.protestant reformation.Invention of printing press etc.


Haroon al-Rashid and Mamoon al-Rashid were ruling in the 8th century and no such contact has ever been reported with the Indians.

Arabs didn't contact Indians until much later but even that wasn't close enough because it was the Turkic people who ruled and not the Bedouins.

The best relations Indians have ever had with Arabs throughout history, is now.

Even Pakistanis didn't have relations with them till the '70s and 80's.

Your ignorance is very amusing.Hindu Kingdoms in Kerala and other parts of South India had extensive trade relations with Arabs. Read about Muslims in Kerala and trade relations with.Also Google about Thangals in Kerala.They are Sayyids and they migrated to Kerala thousnads of yeras ago.






Also, no proof is present of Indians being in contact with Greco-Roman literature except for Porus and Alexander but no historical fact shows that they were present in Haroon al-Rashid's courts.

Therefore, it is not possible for one to accept an argument only made by someone who heard it just recently and is defending it because of delusional national pride.

Again learn about Indian trade relations with Romans and Greeks.Geez,these rookies.

I could've shared information about Ottomans using Russian Cossacks to fight against the British in Westminster Abbey where Indian snake-charmers settled the disputes and you would have started defending that, too.

More gibberish no substance.


He had contacts with the Romans because they were neighbours and most of the traveling at the time was done through land, horses, camels and not elephants.

I think you're taking my criticism in the religious sense or assuming that the difference in religion is the issue here so I will be more self-critical to prove to you that this is an issue of inaccurate fact reporting and not of Indian national pride, etc.

Pakistanis have claimed that Jats guarded the treasures of Caliph Hazrat Umar RA

:omghaha:

The person writing was a Jat and wanted to promote his ethnic background in this way but nobody can possibly believe this non-sense.

There are many such claims.You will never know.

Lastly, I realized that you were joking this entire time because One Thousand and One Nights are fairy tales translated and passed on over the entire world (with local adding their own twists in the plot).

People don't even know what the real fables were because they were changed as they were passed. If fantasy stories and fairy tales, themselves are not even passed on to different parts of the world, in one piece, how can anyone in their right mind prove anything relevant historically, through them?

Some of its stories are based on Caliph Harun al-Rashid.Some others have origins in Panchatantra and jataka stories.With out the Indian connection and translators how did this became folk stories in Arabic and Persian.


It's like saying, 100 years from now, Harry Potter stories should be used to understand the British monarchy :omghaha:

Don't know if British Monarchy will last that long.But certainly it will be considered a shining example of English literature for children's fantasy.
 
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This thread can be best defined as verbal diarrhea from a lack of info and knowledge madarsa educated person. :disagree:

Which Madarsa are we talking about?

Is it Jamia Millia where Burkha Dutt, the jingoistic nut-job was educated or something else concocted in your mind?

Also, are you saying that your Bhajpa activists (extremists) are educated by Madarsa because they are the ones who shared this in the Lok Sabha, not me. I can give you the relevant links but I already have in reply to many posts.

From when will China start granting CCP membership to the Uighurs???

:lol:They have also started to term the Jains as deprived Minority,one of Indias thriving Industrial classes who actually regard themselves as Hindus and also follow the caste system themself!!!

Is China responsible or has been the cause of inspiring this cartoonist?

Has China been the one who created intolerance in India?

I am not a China-lover as I've made a post favoring the Western system over the Chinese but I don't see the relevance of what the Uighurs (who you don't have anything to do with) or Tibetans (who hate you for not having a "tough" stance on China) have to do with the topic, at hand?
 
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Which Madarsa are we talking about?

Is it Jamia Millia where Burkha Dutt, the jingoistic nut-job was educated or something else concocted in your mind?

Also, are you saying that your Bhajpa activists (extremists) are educated by Madarsa because they are the ones who shared this in the Lok Sabha, not me. I can give you the relevant links but I already have in reply to many posts.



Is China responsible or has been the cause of inspiring this cartoonist?

Has China been the one who created intolerance in India?

I am not a China-lover as I've made a post favoring the Western system over the Chinese but I don't see the relevance of what the Uighurs (who you don't have anything to do with) or Tibetans (who hate you for not having a "tough" stance on China) have to do with the topic, at hand?

I was replying to @Wolfie BTW and The latest was the Tibetans too hate India!!:rofl:
 
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Which Madarsa are we talking about?

Is it Jamia Millia where Burkha Dutt, the jingoistic nut-job was educated or something else concocted in your mind?

Also, are you saying that your Bhajpa activists (extremists) are educated by Madarsa because they are the ones who shared this in the Lok Sabha, not me. I can give you the relevant links but I already have in reply to many posts.

What is your problem,Barkha Dutt a jingoistic nut-job:lol::lol::lol:.You are obviously uneducated.She is the kind of the women whom you call a liberal fascist.She is anything but jingoistic let alone nut job.:lol:.And When you talk about Bajpa try to understand what they.They are noteven close in extremism compared to the likes of Fazlur rahman who sits in your Parliament.
 
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First off, tell me why the insecurity and defensive attitude?

Are you suggesting that Dalits are ignorant and their grievances are to be completely disregarded and ignored.

If they found it offensive, then, why question their sensitivity on the issue?

I have made an entire thread on Pakistani education and it is in the Pakistani section.

This is specifically made for Indians and this is why I mentioned it here.

Are you going to suggest that we discuss Pakistani education whilst discussing Indian education?

Is that how Kapil Sibbal et. al draft their education policy? What is happening in Pakistan? :undecided:

Strange. Very Strange.


There is nothing against any caste in the History text,give us some evidence.

Anti-Islamic material in Indian textbooks. Trying to present Islam as an offshoot of Hinduism (Vaishnavism)

Under the fundamental principles of Islam ‘******’ has also been included as the sixth tenet. The role of the caliphs in Islamic conquests has been overlooked. There is no mention of the companions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). It was stated that after the demise of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), the caliphs of Umayyid Dynasty propagated Islam.

Distorting historical facts, it was mentioned that Muslim rule was establish due to the invasions of the Turks on India.

It was also mentioned that the Arabs were very much influenced by Hindu Culture. An attempt was made to make believe that the Arabs learnt numerology from the Indians. They also learnt Astronomy from the Indians and spread it in Europe. In this book, it was claimed that Caliph Haroon-al- Rasheed had appointed Indian Hakeems in his court.

It was also claimed that the designs of the tombs of the mosques have been derived from Hindu temples. The entrances of the mosques also resemble the entrances of the temples.

About crusades, it was mentioned that the Muslims had conquered almost all the holy places of the Christians in order to propagate Islam.

It would be appropriate if this book were shown to any Islamic Scholar for review and corrections.

---Siasat News

Spurious material about Islam in text books | Siasat

That part is true,

even Einstein has mentioned that the Vedas and hence the Indian taught the world how to count.

I have not read the mosque/tomb part when i studied in the late 90s,

Crusade part is also true,thats the reason for the crusades.
 
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This is the quote,It is clearly quote on Indian context.I don't care whether Kajuraho looks like Tajmahal or not,But it certainly finest example of Indian architecture.

Would you allow nudity and pornography on the streets of Mumbai and other major metropolitan cities?

That's what the Khajuraho has outside it's walls.


Really tell that to Saudi Arabia,How they are using Salafi ideology to justify the tyrannical rule of House of Saud.Mr Hypocrite Why don't you tell them to teach a neutral perspective that is acceptable to all sects of Islam.

Salafist are a minority in the Muslim world and a minority in Pakistan - they are only about 3-5%

You have shown your lack of knowledge about major world religions and are sticking to the small-mindedness of Hindutva that believes everything that happened in the world, including the polar bear, was because of Hindutva extremists.

Also, Salafism was not what caused this insensitive bigotry in the Indian textbooks.


If any body teaches "J" word as tenent then its obvious that it has some thing to do with Shiite beliefs and Of course Sunnis won't like it.But we don't tow the line of a Sunnis.

Bring proof from Shiite literature like Nehj ul balagha, Kitab al Kafi or any other literature where it shows that they have it as a tenet. They don't, I know their faith very well because of family, friends, colleagues, etc. You can't fool me or anyone else for that matter.

Also, there are many Shiites on this site from Pakistan and Iran that can refute you but we won't need that because I know their faith, very well, first hand.

If childrens have to learn about a religion then they have to learn it from all perspective.That's the true neutral line.If you don't like it then its your problem not ours.

Secular education in the universities of the West make sure not to teach religion from the perspective of Orientalists and others. If that was the case, Hinduism (Vaishnavism) would be teaching us that Sita was a meat-eater because she asked Ram to kill a deer (who later turned out to be Laxman).

But, they don't because you don't believe in eating meat - therefore, when someone teaches others that a specific religion's followers believe such and such, you have to teach that, verbatim.

In short, you're just pulling this non-sense from your behind and it has no relevance to how world religions are taught, all around the world.


Hakeems are Physicians and Muslims existed in South India even before Arab or Turkic Invasion.They had Hakims

Again, there is no proof for these Muslims going back to the courts of Haroon ul Rashid and such claims are not acceptable. Philip the Arab was a Roman King, we all know about it. Those Hakeems on the other hand, not so much.


That's just one reason for renaissance,More important reasons include Black Death and subsequent decline of Church's power.protestant reformation.Invention of printing press etc.

This is embarrassing. You obviously have no clue about history because protestantism only took place after the Renaissance because education had been promoted after which Martin Luther was able to find the flaws in the Catholic books whilst comparing it to the Jewish Tanakh (or Old Testament).

No such thing was allowed before this, because Jews were perceived negatively. They weren't even allowed to enter Jerusalem till after Caliph Hazrat Umar. It wasn't till after that, the Church started to decline.

This is a historical fact and I am not a chauvinistic Muslim or want to promote history from one end, alone. These are facts and need to be promoted as facts, and that's it. Those people were Arabs and have very little in common with me in culture, anyway.


Your ignorance is very amusing.Hindu Kingdoms in Kerala and other parts of South India had extensive trade relations with Arabs. Read about Muslims in Kerala and trade relations with.Also Google about Thangals in Kerala.They are Sayyids and they migrated to Kerala thousnads of yeras ago.

Knowing about this has no relevance to the point at hand, which is that no such fact has been proved except from a book created by some Hindutva extremist who also try to prove that Jesus was another reincarnation of Krishna. :omghaha:


Some of its stories are based on Caliph Harun al-Rashid.Some others have origins in Panchatantra and jataka stories.With out the Indian connection and translators how did this became folk stories in Arabic and Persian.

The mixtures of stories gives you that impression - they are not one single book but changed as they traveled - when they came to India, the local stories that had already existed were included into the original ones.

It is ironic to see that since the book came from the Arab world and had Indians stories included in it, it automatically became a Indo-Arab collaboration in Damascus, as per your imagination.


Don't know if British Monarchy will last that long.But certainly it will be considered a shining example of English literature for children's fantasy.

We know it as literature, as you said but it is saddening to see you remain adamant at trying to push it down our throats as something that can be used as historical or archaeological facts.

To celebrate, learn and become well-versed in culture and language is why we read Shakespeare and other works in Victorian English.

We do not read the Bible for the same purpose as we do Shakespearean works, despite it being in the same Victorian English, because people derive spiritual and religious doctrine from the Bible. Bible is not a secular book and the research done on it by secular people is by reading Josephus so they can understand history mentioned in the Bible, and do not use the Bible, per se.

Therefore, Harry Potter will be used to celebrate culture and language of this era, as you've managed to understand but it will not be used to learn or understand history, as you still can't seem to understand.

Similarly, One Thousand and One Nights is of absolute no relevance to reality or history.

It is depressing for your stubbornness in continuing a debate where you are trying to hang by using the most comical reasoning, I've ever come across.
 
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Wow, in just few days, entire Central & South Asia section has been converted to Exclusive India Bashing Section.

Great!!!!

:tup: :tup:
 
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There is nothing against any caste in the History text,give us some evidence.



That part is true,

even Einstein has mentioned that the Vedas and hence the Indian taught the world how to count.

I have not read the mosque/tomb part when i studied in the late 90s,

Crusade part is also true,thats the reason for the crusades.

The crusade part is presenting Islam in the worst possible light but we won't debate that here because this is not an Islam apologist section. This is acting to create bigotry and hate towards an already fragile community.

Even if we were to shut all our thinking capabilities, and accept the non-sense, verbatim, we would still be forced to reject this because even in America, the role that Jews played in Jesus being arrested is ignored because of the implications associated with this.

Therefore, the Pope had visited Israel and said we don't hate the Jews. If you look at history, before Muslims entered Jerusalem, Christians wouldn't even let them enter the area. In short, the culture of intolerance was removed and this is the exact opposite that we see being promoted in the text books.

No one is undermining Indian history or culture. The questionable (read comical) part is "Hakeems" being present in his courts.

I don't believe the Rashids to be holy or venerate them but if you're going to present Muslim history or teach it at a secular level, at least be honest and don't shove Gaurav Gatha non-sense into it.
 
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Wow, in just few days, entire Central & South Asia section has been converted to Exclusive India Bashing Section.

Great!!!!

:tup: :tup:

The entire D F I forum is exclusive Pakistan bashing website along with every other site where even bringing in the question of the rights of other communities, by those communities, themselves, incites Pakistan-bashing - as if, Karunanidhi and the Dravidian cause was initiated by the Pakistanis :omghaha:

If we were allowed to that site and granted the same kind of freedom as you are granted on our websites, newspapers, blogs and forums, then, may be things would be different.

Unfortunately, they ban you in one day for speaking on Tamil rights and refuting the comedy of the Baluch "liberation". What makes them, even remotely believe that the Baluch need anyone's help, let alone the help of the Indians. :omghaha:

Baluch were considered to be a martial race by the British and even now, they do labor jobs in Oman and are practically the entire police force of Bahrain - four foot Gujaratis armed with Trishuls are going to "save" them :rofl:

Those D F I people don't even know who Mengal is or his significance in the Baluch populace - I don't blame them - it's not like they ever had Baluch friends, who they spent time with their entire lives, know their culture, music, dances, visited their weddings, their parties, know everything about them, etc

Yet, they are out to speak for their rights and "liberate" them :omghaha:

But, when it comes to Tamils and other communities that are inherently Indian, they don't care.

They tell Tamils to suppress their identities and identify themselves as only "Indian".

How can they, when they don't even use Devanagiri and believe in Rama? :omghaha:
 
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The entire D F I forum is exclusive Pakistan bashing website along with every other site where even bringing in the question of the rights of other communities, by those communities, themselves, they bring in Pakistan - as if, Karunanidhi and the Dravidian cause was initiated by the Pakistanis

If we were allowed to that site and granted the same kind of freedom as you are granted on our websites, newspapers, blogs and forums, then, may be things would be different.

Unfortunately, they ban you in one day for speaking on Tamil rights and refuting the comedy of the Baluch "liberation".

They don't even know who Mengal is or his significance in the Baluch populace - I don't blame them - it's not like they ever had Baluch friends, who they spent time with their entire lives, know their culture, music, dances, visited their weddings, know everything about them, etc

Yet, they are out to speak for their rights and "liberate" them but when it comes to Tamils and other communities that are inherently Indian, they don't care. They tell Tamils to suppress their identities and identify themselves as only "Indian". How can they, when they don't even use Devanagiri and believe in Rama :omghaha:

They even rejoice the deaths of Pakistanis... heck i was even declared a fake baluch and banned for trashing their bs propoganda.... tht site is web trash ... if u know what i mean!
 
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