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Should India have followed Chinese & Pakistani weapons development model

lol another bizarre article by an indian expert, certainly sows the quality of their analysts.

These indians i think should write only the bollywood paparazzi gutter press, the only thing where people like them can fit in.
 
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etc etc are the cheap derivatives of successful weapon platforms.
 
here is cbs news reporting on north korea and pakistan connection
we dont even need news report to make Indian/Russian weapon copy program, everything India made is pure 100% Russian and even then Indians couldnt even successfully test it and had to destroy a few before learning how to test.
 
As if we are not aware of Chinese ( Copy ) Model ?
The fact is, they have done a great deal of advancement in "reverse engineering" , This is indeed a great acievement, but it doesnt really suit India.

reverse engineering is still engineering and you must have a capable mind to reverse engineer complex systems.
 
reverse engineering is still engineering and you must have a capable mind to reverse engineer complex systems.

I Agree to it. What i meant was, India needs western Technology, if we follow China, we'll get Banned.
 
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The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was set up in 1958 with a vision to "provide our defence services a decisive edge by equipping them with internationally competitive systems and solutions". The DRDO has clearly failed in its mission. There seems to be inherent problems with the functioning of these organizations, their performance of delivery has been dismal, their failures many, the cost escalations prodigious, their obsessive indulgence in irrelevant and peripheral activities and their several technological misadventures which directly impacted India's defence preparedness & strategic positioning.


It has been over five decades since its inception that DRDO and its agencies have been clambering to provide viable defence equipment as an alternative to overseas procurement, the defence forces addiction to foreign purchase is not out of habit but was forced to resort to off-the-shelf panic buying whenever they realised that the strategic balance was tilting in favour of their adversaries.


Extremely unhappy about the current state of affairs, Prime Minister Modi had put DRDO on notice in August 2014. The PM had asked the tardy organisations to shape-up in the face of competition from the private sector. The Prime Minister had asked the defence minister to conduct a detailed review of the organisation, and if need be come out with a white paper on it.


Modi personally delivered a stern message to DRDO, asking the officers to give up their "chalta hai" (lackadaisical) attitude. This is the first time the nation's PM had directly reprimanded DRDO.

The Ministry of Defence should enforce ruthless accountability, centralized reporting structure as in the case of ISRO and create effective management competence within DRDO to ensure fruitful collaboration with the private sector defence industry.


THE PAKISTANI MODEL

Pakistan, our main adversary has had tremendous success with its missile program. It coordinated a shrewd & pragmatic approach with China the other bad guy in our firmament to achieve its goals 'by methods, fair or foul', while our path was to develop indigenously all complex weapon platforms. Pakistan's aim was to leapfrog as well as piggyback technologically, as reinventing the wheel was not necessarily an answer to the yawning technological gap that existed between India.
Their initial attempts to develop ballistic missiles were comical disasters, the HATF-1 series developed by Pakistan space agency SUPARCO not only proved to be unreliable but woefully inaccurate. The program was abandoned after many trial fiascoes as Pakistan did not have the industrial or the technological base to pursue such a sophisticated program. They quickly realized that wasting time on complex weapons development will only elevate their vulnerability. Therefore, they purchased ballistic missiles of various class to counter India's progress in this field. Their determination to procure capabilities far beyond their reach was a canny operation, China & North Korea were ready to violate the Missile Technology Control Regime to provide Pakistan with long-range ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Pakistanis are masters in convoluted psychological games, they exploited China's hostile disposition against India to their own advantage. They have followed the adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" to the dot.


It is another thing that the Pakistanis has been mouthing off the much maligned "indigenous" word, the world is well aware that their defence equipment are outright purchases from abroad and re-badged with Pakistani nomenclature.

Here is a list of missile systems procured from abroad and claimed to be "indigenous":
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The Argument
As an illustration, Kalibr is a Russian surface ship and Submarine-launched Anti-Ship and Land Attack Cruise Missile developed by the Novator Design Bureau. The Kalibr has a coincidental resemblance to DRDO's lumbering Nirbhay program, mainly due to the physics of a cruise missile's aerodynamics conformation, hence this author contends that India should have clandestinely purchased these missiles from Russia (who would have willingly supplied the same) painted it in shades of gray and presented to the world as the indigenous Nirbhay. A patently easy job to achieve. Coming to the question of why India did not undertake such a course is entirely due to its purist mindset and obduracy and in addition was the pomposity to achieve the inconceivable.


THE CHINESE MODEL

The Chinese followed a different model altogether, they have thrived on plagiarism and reverse engineering, mainly on equipment originating from Russia, but off late they showed fearless daring to to scoop design blueprints from the Americans notably the hacking of F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter schematics.


Why are the Chinese so dedicated to copying and employing newfangled methods to get information on almost anything from western and other sources? It is presumably a cultural thing. Historically, Chinese folklore propounds that copying is a way of showing respect for human mastery over Science, Technology and the Arts. As an illustration, the Chinese painter and critic Hsieh Ho from the 5th Century AD formulated the "Six Principles of Painting", which included a tenet "to convey and change by patterned representation", which translates subtly "to transmit by copying".


The Chinese have scant regard to infringement of International intellectual property rights or innovating on other people’s creativity. Bootlegging technology in every sphere of scientific development is a well-honed Chinese practice, and it is diligently backed up by massive government funding and logistics support.

The Argument


India should have adopted the same method to develop its defence requirements, the list of possibilities are myriad such as whole aircraft, drones, missiles & rockets, turbofan engines, radars, armored fighting vehicles, infantry arms, naval assets or even spacecrafts, but India did not explore this potential solution.

CONCLUSION
It is next to impossible to conceive the ideal model for adoption as far as India is concerned, but they have proved to be effective in the Chinese and Pakistani context. Pakistan has an arsenal of missile to address its strategic needs, how they got them is not the question but how it is deployed as a deterrence factor is of paramount importance. China is posing grave threats to not only its neighbors but also to the sole superpower in the world the U.S. by means of its offensive weapons capabilities. Pakistan has been bellicose over India due to this singular fact and its trigger happy generals have ensured them this status. As per the view of this author, our policy makers have followed a fallacious system of weapons developed which has neither consolidated or enhanced the infrastructural constitution of our armed forces.
China, understood but pak? :confused:
 
If we followed Pakistan way of indigenous then India already be a nation with nothing but few missiles with accuracy of 200 km. What a nonsense article. Our missiles power is second to none. As requirements changes from time to time and enemy each possess. Our Agni 5 is most advanced long range missile technology with derivatives with even better technology in Asia and the world. Tejas MK1P will totally decimate the production line of JF17 and most of Chinese 4 gen fighters they have in their inventory.

I agree India should start thinking more aggressively in Make in India initiatives. Till now our domestic capabilities are kept at the lowest why? Due to the will of our corrupt leadership who make deals just for kick backs. It's time to flip over DRDO from Big mouthed super mart snail to a straight forward stupid Rabbit with speed and very versatile in innovation.

Time and road to success is already began. It's just matter of time we take our position in global defence manufacturing
 
im not convinced that pakistan has had any success in any weapons design and production.

Pakistan is a country completelky reliant on China for weapons and USA and Saudi for arms funding

Remember this is a country that has failed miserable to have any semblance of democracy in 70 years
Has virtually no industry or exports bar textiles and has a been completely over shadowed by its rival india politically on the international scene.

I just cant see a single seed of success in the nation or its people.

They talk about indengious weapons well where is you

Kolkatta Class Destroyer
Shivailk class frigate
Aircraft carriers LIKE VKRANT
nuclear subs ARIHANT
own indengious helicopters LIKE DHRUV
own MBRL LIKE PINAKA
WHERE YOUR INDENGOUS SAM system like akash
indengious BVR like astra


You license build a few thunders SOLD TO YOU BUY CHINA and some chinease copies of T72 called ALKHALID and your telling everyone you have a indengious weapons.

ITS ALL FALSE BRAVADO

ON BUDGET OF $8 BILLION (PAKISTANS OFFICIAL DEFENSE BUDGET) YOU COULD NOT EVEN PAY THE SALARIES OF A REAL MILITARY POWER

I genuinely dont see this pakistani success
 
Every country has its own military doctrine and its own armament model. There is no reason any country should copy the other. However some recent actions by India in its defence fields certainly reduce its image of how well it is able to defend its land. Most particularly the idea that is build in India is one that is long term and will only see fruition a long time off. In the meantime India will be vulnerable to Pakistani and Chinese might.

What ever you ment!!! Am sure we all know what we are capable of and what we did and what we can afford to do. One hand we have Pakistan which can't make any impact with its small over budget in defence and economically. On the other we have China with massive economy but inferior technology and low quality when compared to the Russians and the west of which India imports it's latest weapons till date. There was a time when Indian Agni 2and Agni 3 been a naughty child for many consecutive failures. While Pakistan just imported missiles from North Korea and China and repainted in Pakistan colour. I still remember those days when online Pakistanis be like big mouthed defence experts who criticised our attempts to develop our own technologies but failed in many attempts with lesser ranges.

Lol its funny that you never changed till now with Tejas, and over all. It's 2015 just a decade or so. Will any Pakistani here can compare our both missile systems and. Our Capabilities? Let alone the indegineous capabilities. Say our over all missile powers . LOL .

You never changed. Today you do the same with Tejas and JF17 And India is looking at Agni 5/6 success for our Aero space industry.

We are more capable than we were!!! Our IAF is completely imported from best in the business. Today our Navy is one of the most important assert in world economic growth. Our Army is faster, mean, network centric with massive firepower. Good thing is Now Make In India program, a vision of our current leadership been added into our already a massive Armed Forces.

And you come up with this?
 

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