Should Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh be respected by Pakistanis?

[neutral_person]

Should Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh be respected by pakistanis?

While they were fighting for the freedom of the entire sub-continent. But they were sikhs and probably would have been against the partition of sub-continent just like most hindus and sikhs.

Also sikhs and hindus killed around 500,000 to 1 million muslims in 1947. So honouring these sikhs as national heros and freedom fighters by pakistanis would be an insult to those million muslims who sacrificed their lives for Pakistan in 1947??

Respect from Pakistanis? LOL, they were Indians, and they dont need respect from Pakistanis. They were ultimate Indian nationalists(freedom fighters), and could care less what Pakistan thinks of them.

They are highly respected by 1.2 billion Indians, dont think they would care what Pakistanis think of them.


You guys can go respect other noteworthy people that were born in Pakistan like Mohammed Bin Qasim, Ghauri/Ghaznavid, etc

/sarcasm

Yeah cuz you're a shining example of proper argument etiquettes. So far it looks like you don't know your hand from your curry ***.



Is that what your army tells you after killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Kashmiris?

No actually its what your army says after it massacres 3 million Bangladeshis, and continues to rape and murder in Balochistan to the point that there is a separatist movement going on there as well.

 

[shree835]

They were Bharti by soul, and if they survived to see the partition they would be severely against it; maybe even to the point of joining the Hindu and Sikh pogroms and start murdering little Muslim children and elderly people in revenge.

Besides, frankly speaking, they failed in their quest for freedom.

Shame on your thinking.

 

[FaujHistorian]

you are already not respecting them. why to start a thread to discuss why not to respect them?

Oh and about the riots, it is documented that it was muslim Bengalis who started the riot on the East in the name of direct action day and muslim Punjabis who started it on the west. They were true followers of Ghauri and Ghaznavi.

Is that the pathetic history being taught in Indian schools. What a shame!

Direct Action day was in 1946.

Partition was a year later in 1947.

1946 saw killing of Hindus and Muslims in Bengal and Bihar.

1947 saw killing of Hindus and Muslims in Punjab.

However 1947 killing was unique and unparalleled in our history.

--- Before 1947, Muslim population in East Punjab (Indian Punjab) was 50-65% depending upon village / town
--- Before 1947, Hindu and Sikh population in West Punjab (Pak Punjab) was 30-40% depending on village town


After 1947
--- Muslim population in Indian Punjab - Fell to ZERO%
--- Hindu-Sikh population in Pak Punjab - Fell to ZERO%

No where else in the Indian subcontinent, killing and murder was so complete, so devastating.

And no my dear Indian, Punjab cleansing was done on the behest of then Indian home minister Sardar Patel. As Muslim league was not running the show in Dilli and hence did not control police or army.

Jinnah was pleading with Governor Jenkins of Punjab to post army in all the cities. He knew Akalis have set up pogroms. But Jinnah's appeals fell on deaf ears.

However Indians will never know. They have been taught ***** in the name of national history.

peace.

 

[RKhan]

Killings happened on both sides. No side's hands are clean. Also for Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh, I have respect for them since they were sons of the soil and Punjabis who fought the Imperialists. Religion played no part in their struggle.

 

[Zarvan]

Should Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh be respected by pakistanis?

While they were fighting for the freedom of the entire sub-continent. But they were sikhs and probably would have been against the partition of sub-continent just like most hindus and sikhs.

Also sikhs and hindus killed around 500,000 to 1 million muslims in 1947. So honouring these sikhs as national heros and freedom fighters by pakistanis would be an insult to those million muslims who sacrificed their lives for Pakistan in 1947??

Yes I agree with you first of all Bhagat Singh most acts resulted in killing of civilians than British if that person gets hanged that doesn't mean we respect him just like Bhutto he did some good works but was responsible for killing of many political rivals

 

[Android]

Yes I agree with you first of all Bhagat Singh most acts resulted in killing of civilians

Caring about killing of Innocent civilians here meanwhile defending osama on other threads

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Bhagat singh and Udham singh were also fools. What did they die for anyway??

The British treated the sikhs far better than the post-1947 hindu-dominated India. Operation bluestar and after that the pogrom of sikhs in Delhi in 1984 even made Jallianwala bagh massacre look like a minor riot.

Your post shows you dont have a slight clue about Ideology of Bhagat Singh who was rightly called as Prince of Indian Freedom Struggle by world.

Bhagat Singh was first pioneer who aspired for total independence along with subhash chandra bose when Nehru ,Gandhi & Jinnah were asking for self-rule.

People who got free nation just by crying for religious opression wont understand sacrifices of Udham Singh & Bhagat Singh. Please read about this two.

They were Bharti by soul, and if they survived to see the partition they would be severely against it; maybe even to the point of joining the Hindu and Sikh pogroms and start murdering little Muslim children and elderly people in revenge.

Besides, frankly speaking, they failed in their quest for freedom.

They fought for India. Again In India, Martyrs & Freedom Fighters are not judged by Caste & Race. But Thanks you gave idea about mentality you have, if good things are done by non-muslims (even if its long before you & your nation were born) they should not be given respect or credit for it.

why ?? because they are non-muslims they would have opposed partition n blah blah

 

[third eye]

The two Gents had the courage and will to stand by what they felt.

For petty shallow reasons most here cannot seem to appreciate the sentiments and actions of these young men.

Why are we discussing this ?

When these men did what they did, they surely did not have appreciation from generations that followed decades later in mind. Their actions were selfless and patriotic.

Why are we sullying their acts by discussing it ? Most here cannot rise above narrow POVs and appreciate leaders who sell their souls and the nation to boot.

A needless topic.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Yes I agree with you first of all Bhagat Singh most acts resulted in killing of civilians than British if that person gets hanged that doesn't mean we respect him just like Bhutto he did some good works but was responsible for killing of many political rivals

Bold part is Utter Nonsense.Bhagat Singh's acts didnt killed civilians even the Parliment bomblast was a warning bell for British Empire no life casualities took place.And Bhutto was hanged by his own countrymen thats a shame for any nation or leader while Bhagatsingh was hanged by Your & Our Historical Opressors.That makes him Great & Brave Martyr.

However Indians will never know. They have been taught ***** in the name of national history.

peace.

Good Joke...Please dont make me laugh more by discussing about histories that You people have learnt.

By the way do you know what were Jinnah's view about Bhagat Singh & Udham Singh??? Go Figure & see how you people are bringing shame to Father of Your Nation's views about Bhagat Singh. You intelligent breed of Pakistan doubt Jinnah's vision about Bhagat Singh & his sacrifices??

Hatts Off for your Indo-phobia ...

If Udham singh is respected by indians then satwant singh and beant singh are also equally worthy of respect.
There is no difference between Udham singh and the 2 sikh guards (Satwant singh and Beant singh) who killed Indira gandhi.
Udham singh killed O'Dwyer to avenge Jallianwala bagh massacre, and the 2 sikh guards commited the same act & killed Indira gandhi to take revenge for operation bluestar.

Simply Marvelous, there is no difference between US Drones and PAF Air strikes to kill terrorists. After all both will kill terrorist or sometimes few pakistanis (by Mistake)

 

[RKhan]

I pity people who need religion to judge if people ought to be respected. Just shows how tiny their brain really is.

 

[Zarvan]

Bold part is Utter Nonsense.Bhagat Singh's acts didnt killed civilians even the Parliment bomblast was a warning bell for British Empire no life casualities took place.And Bhutto was hanged by his own countrymen thats a shame for any nation or leader while Bhagatsingh was hanged by Your & Our Historical Opressors.That makes him Great & Brave Martyr.






Good Joke...Please dont make me laugh more by discussing about histories that You people have learnt.

By the way do you know what were Jinnah's view about Bhagat Singh & Udham Singh??? Go Figure & see how you people are bringing shame to Father of Your Nation's views about Bhagat Singh. You intelligent breed of Pakistan doubt Jinnah's vision about Bhagat Singh & his sacrifices??

Hatts Off for your Indo-phobia ...



Simply Marvelous, there is no difference between US Drones and PAF Air strikes to kill terrorists. After all both will kill terrorist or sometimes few pakistanis (by Mistake)

Read History many of his works killed civilians but not British

 

[Hyde]

Well I don't find any reason why they shouldn't be respected by Pakistanis?

I mean there were two movements by Muslims of present Pakistan... Independence from UK and separation from Hindu India... So for independence we all fought together and after long struggles and sacrifices by the freedom fighters we finally managed to get rid of "Goray". Second step was the separation from India so in that case Bhagat Singh like freedom fighters may have opposed it but that is not a case here as they were dead by then and their war of freedom was equally important for the whole subcontinent including present Pakistan. In fact the days Bhagat Singh died there was no such thing as "dream of Pakistan" so their struggle was meant to be for the whole subcontinent and not today's India only.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Read History many of his works killed civilians but not British

Yes I have read a lot about Him
Please if you dont mind give me references or links of source of your history !

Well I don't find any reason why they shouldn't be respected by Pakistanis?

I mean there were two movements by Muslims of present Pakistan... Independence from UK and separation from Hindu India... So for independence we all fought together and after long struggles and sacrifices by the freedom fighters we finally managed to get rid of "Goray". Second step was the separation from India so in that case Bhagat Singh like freedom fighters may have opposed it but that is not a case here as they were dead by then and their war of freedom was equally important for the whole subcontinent including present Pakistan. In fact the days Bhagat Singh died there was no such thing as "dream of Pakistan" so their struggle was meant to be for the whole subcontinent and not today's India only.

Exactly.
Partition was a need of time, hindus-sikhs-muslims killed in the process is a tragic past for pakistanis in same way it is for indians.Bhagat singh is by no logic responsible for tragedy that took during partition.I have read a lot about Sir. Jinnah, he gave many speeches & wrote many articles to support Bhagat Singh his efforts were much more than any other congress leader to save Bhagat Singh.

 

[tarrar]

Another confused Pakistani and the reason of his confusion is known to us.

No one in India care what Pakistanis think about pre patrician freedom fighters, its up to Pakistanis if the value their forefather's struggle for freedom (If they did) or not.

In the meantime enjoy this.

Lozzzz. Poor Hindi... No one in Pakistan cares what you lying propaganda machines talk about Pakistan.

Amritsar, June 6 (IANS): Defying directions from the head of the Akal Takht, pro-Khalistan slogans were raised Wednesday by a handful of people during the function to mark the 28th anniversary of Operation Bluestar by the Indian Army at the Golden Temple complex here.

The main focus of the event Wednesday was on the memorial being set up near the Akal Takht, the highest temporal seat of Sikhism, by the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) to honour those killed during the Operation Bluestar June 1984.

Scores of people, including devotees, heavily armed terrorists and security personnel were killed during the operation in which the army entered the complex around the Harmandir Sahib, popularly known as the Golden Temple, to flush out heavily-armed terrorists led by radical Sikh leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

The Golden Temple complex, except for the sanctum sanctorum, suffered extensive damage during the army operation in which mortars and heavy artillery were used against the equally heavily-armed terrorists holed up inside the complex. The Akal Takht, which was badly damaged, was re-built.

Akal Takht jathedar (chief), Gurbachan Singh, read out the message for the Sikh religion on the occasion. He said that the Sikhs will never forget the darkest chapter in their religious history.

Hundreds of devotees were present during the occasion.

The Sikh clergy and the SGPC honoured Kamaldeep Kaur, sister of Balwant Singh Rajoana, a Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) terrorist who has been condemned to the gallows for the assassination (Aug 31, 1995) conspiracy of then Punjab chief minister Beant Singh.

SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar told media Wednesday that building a memorial for those killed in Operation Bluestar was justified. He said that the Sikh religion will never forget the operation and the damage it did to the Sikh psyche.

Radical Sikh organisations marked the day as genocide day.

Religious prayers were offered for those who died during the operation.

 

[MilSpec]

Should Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh be respected by pakistanis?

While they were fighting for the freedom of the entire sub-continent. But they were sikhs and probably would have been against the partition of sub-continent just like most hindus and sikhs.

Also sikhs and hindus killed around 500,000 to 1 million muslims in 1947. So honouring these sikhs as national heros and freedom fighters by pakistanis would be an insult to those million muslims who sacrificed their lives for Pakistan in 1947??

The question is if the nation or administration capable of giving any respect. Leave Bhagat Singh ji aside, were you even capable of respecting Mohd. Ali Jinnah's ideologies? What happened to the loose federation of provinces with nominal powers with center.

Couple of years after jinnahs death, his Ideology was thrown into the dumpster by your military mullah alliance and not one pakistani rose up to uphold Jinnahs vision.

The very sense of jinnahs pakistan died with him, and no one even cared to revive it. Your mujhideens are willing to lay down thier lives to free kashmir, but not to stand up against the army which has made a mockery of democracy and political process started by the great Mohd. Ali Jinah If you were not able to respect the father of your nation, forget respecting the revolutionaries whose ideologies transcends religion and thus the limitations of thought process. Bhagat singh did not lay down his life for sikhs or hindus, for punjab or haryana, he laid down his life to end the british tyranny and injustice. You will never undertand this when you couldn't even uphold the vision and principles of the father of your nation