Shenyang J-15 aircraft carrier-based aircraft

[kungfugymnast]

J-15 or J-15B cannot be compared to Tejas, which is in a league of its own, and almost as good as F-22, in terms of combat radius.

J-15 is to be compared to USAF F-15C/E/EX, F/A-18E/F that it will likely face in war. J-15A is just for carrier takeoff & landing evaluation, not really for war which is why it lacks all the latest avionics fitted with AL-31F engines. J-15B with EMALS launch will be the actual production model made for war fitted with AESA radar, IRST, FLIR pod having ability to take off on full fuel and armaments challenging US F/A-18E/F & F-15C/E/EX. It might gets redesign to have lower stall speed for safer carrier approach landing.

 

[Deino]

According to this image released on 1st August, the first Batch 04 J-15 (cn. 0401) was handed over to the PLAN.

(Image via Huitong's CMA-Blog via @撒手锏_ from Weibo)

 

[lcloo]

J15 with jet blast from afterburner， seconds away from launch on an aircraft carrier.

 

[Deino]

So what do you think?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1456382546686660609

 

[kungfugymnast]

So what do you think?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1456382546686660609

What is J-15T? Not J-15B/BS/D for catapult launch? Twin seats version? ECM?

 

[S10]

I definitely think China needs to push a new variant of the J-15 with modernized WS-10C, AESA and electronic warfare capabilities like J-16D. The current J-15s in service are essentially using the same radar and avionics package as J-11B, which are becoming obsolete.

 

[kungfugymnast]

I definitely think China needs to push a new variant of the J-15 with modernized WS-10C, AESA and electronic warfare capabilities like J-16D. The current J-15s in service are essentially using the same radar and avionics package as J-11B, which are becoming obsolete.

It sure needs more thrust for better lift, climb, acceleration. New J-15B/D/T might get speed reduction with redesigned aerodynamic for better carrier approach landing slow speed stability & maneuverability. Max speed could be just Mach 2 or less.

Unlike current J-15A needed the speed in order to pick up speed fast to take off successfully from ski ramp of Type 001 being most aerodynamic that made it the fastest flanker mach 2.4. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because of fast approach speed making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. This is why there's no more J-15A being built leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier.

 

[S10]

It sure needs more thrust for better lift, climb, acceleration. New J-15B/D/T might get speed reduction with redesigned aerodynamic for better carrier approach landing slow speed stability & maneuverability. Max speed could be just Mach 2 or less.

Unlike current J-15A needed the speed in order to pick up speed fast to take off successfully from ski ramp of Type 001 being most aerodynamic that made it the fastest flanker mach 2.4. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because of fast approach speed making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. This is why there's no more J-15A being built leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier.

I'm going to need a reputable source on that.

 

[Deino]

It sure needs more thrust for better lift, climb, acceleration. New J-15B/D/T might get speed reduction with redesigned aerodynamic for better carrier approach landing slow speed stability & maneuverability. Max speed could be just Mach 2 or less.

Unlike current J-15A needed the speed in order to pick up speed fast to take off successfully from ski ramp of Type 001 being most aerodynamic that made it the fastest flanker mach 2.4. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because of fast approach speed making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. This is why there's no more J-15A being built leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier.

Sorry, but this is completely wrong!

1. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because a few stupid reports from Hong Kong, Taiwan and the typical suspects in the USA fabricated stupid stories with even more stupid claims, that are in fact plain wrong (see point 2)!

2. ... making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. Exactly one of these lies. NO J-15 so far crashed during carrier approach on the carrier. At least from what is known there was only one fatal crash - on 27 April 2016, when one J-15 fighter (allegedly no. 117) crashed due to problems in the flight control system during (a malfunction in the horizontal stabilizer) during simulated carrier landings (at Huangdicun). The pilot Zhang Chao became famous since even if he ejected at last moment, he later died of the injuries sustained. Lesser known is a second aircraft (eventually no. 114) that was eventually lost on 6 April 2016. Here indeed some say it crashed into the sea, but not on landing. And the third - in fact again not a crash - occurred on 17 August 2017, when pilot Yuan Wei flew with his no. 104 into a flock of birds right after the plane had taken off and he managed to make an emergency landing. In the end, the pilot was rescued, the fire quickly extinguished, but eventually the J-15 a write-off. As such, your claim of several fatal crashes is plain wrong!

3. This is why there's no more J-15A being built: Again plain wrong. It is well known, that after the first two batches of altogether 24 J-15s there were 20 more in Batch 03 built between early/mid 2020 to early/mid 2021 and currently Batch 04 is being delivered to the PLAN NA. In parallel the next batch of the improved - and see my Tweet from yesterday - J-15T (catapult capable) is being built. So again your claim of no more J-15As are being built is wrong again.


4. ... leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier. And finally this too is wrong since there are in fact additional J-15s - altogether there are already more new-built one than have been built within the original batches - and a second permanent carrier-based unit is being established at Lingshui exactly for the Shandong.

So again, please check what you post

 

[Beast]

Sorry, but this is completely wrong!

1. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because a few stupid reports from Hong Kong, Taiwan and the typical suspects in the USA fabricated stupid stories with even more stupid claims, that are in fact plain wrong (see point 2)!

2. ... making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. Exactly one of these lies. NO J-15 so far crashed during carrier approach on the carrier. At least from what is known there was only one fatal crash - on 27 April 2016, when one J-15 fighter (allegedly no. 117) crashed due to problems in the flight control system during (a malfunction in the horizontal stabilizer) during simulated carrier landings (at Huangdicun). The pilot Zhang Chao became famous since even if he ejected at last moment, he later died of the injuries sustained. Lesser known is a second aircraft (eventually no. 114) that was eventually lost on 6 April 2016. Here indeed some say it crashed into the sea, but not on landing. And the third - in fact again not a crash - occurred on 17 August 2017, when pilot Yuan Wei flew with his no. 104 into a flock of birds right after the plane had taken off and he managed to make an emergency landing. In the end, the pilot was rescued, the fire quickly extinguished, but eventually the J-15 a write-off. As such, your claim of several fatal crashes is plain wrong!

3. This is why there's no more J-15A being built: Again plain wrong. It is well known, that after the first two batches of altogether 24 J-15s there were 20 more in Batch 03 built between early/mid 2020 to early/mid 2021 and currently Batch 04 is being delivered to the PLAN NA. In parallel the next batch of the improved - and see my Tweet from yesterday - J-15T (catapult capable) is being built. So again your claim of no more J-15As are being built is wrong again.


4. ... leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier. And finally this too is wrong since there are in fact additional J-15s - altogether there are already more new-built one than have been built within the original batches - and a second permanent carrier-based unit is being established at Lingshui exactly for the Shandong.

So again, please check what you post

This kungfugynamst full of fake lies and fabricated Info. He need to be warned and ban if subsequent more make up stories.

 

[Beast]

Put your over patriotism aside and stick to military talk reply with facts. Else you shouldn't reply

There is nothing patriotism about my right assessment of you. Even a moderator rightfully call out your fake statement about J-15. I can bet you will claim China Mars Rover successful landed on Mars is patriotism only. In fact the rover crashed and burn. All fake lies from CCP.

More like you cannot accept J-15. Or u want to haul up Deino and claim he lied about your statements?

 

[ozranger]

This kungfugynamst full of fake lies and fabricated Info. He need to be warned and ban if subsequent more make up stories.

That's his daily job and he is striving to make ends meet by doing this job. You stop his lies, you stop his income stream.

 

[Beast]

That's his daily job and he is striving to make ends meet by doing this job. You stop his lies, you stop his income stream.

He need to be banned. Liars has no place here.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Sorry, but this is completely wrong!

1. The J-15A earns the bad nickname because a few stupid reports from Hong Kong, Taiwan and the typical suspects in the USA fabricated stupid stories with even more stupid claims, that are in fact plain wrong (see point 2)!

2. ... making it dangerous to land on carrier led to few fatal crashes. Exactly one of these lies. NO J-15 so far crashed during carrier approach on the carrier. At least from what is known there was only one fatal crash - on 27 April 2016, when one J-15 fighter (allegedly no. 117) crashed due to problems in the flight control system during (a malfunction in the horizontal stabilizer) during simulated carrier landings (at Huangdicun). The pilot Zhang Chao became famous since even if he ejected at last moment, he later died of the injuries sustained. Lesser known is a second aircraft (eventually no. 114) that was eventually lost on 6 April 2016. Here indeed some say it crashed into the sea, but not on landing. And the third - in fact again not a crash - occurred on 17 August 2017, when pilot Yuan Wei flew with his no. 104 into a flock of birds right after the plane had taken off and he managed to make an emergency landing. In the end, the pilot was rescued, the fire quickly extinguished, but eventually the J-15 a write-off. As such, your claim of several fatal crashes is plain wrong!

3. This is why there's no more J-15A being built: Again plain wrong. It is well known, that after the first two batches of altogether 24 J-15s there were 20 more in Batch 03 built between early/mid 2020 to early/mid 2021 and currently Batch 04 is being delivered to the PLAN NA. In parallel the next batch of the improved - and see my Tweet from yesterday - J-15T (catapult capable) is being built. So again your claim of no more J-15As are being built is wrong again.


4. ... leaving no fighter on Type002 Shandong class aircraft carrier. And finally this too is wrong since there are in fact additional J-15s - altogether there are already more new-built one than have been built within the original batches - and a second permanent carrier-based unit is being established at Lingshui exactly for the Shandong.

So again, please check what you post

From neutral fair point of view, either side is lying, smearing or covering up. I won't side with either party blindly as facts shouldn't be twisted by favouritism.

This answer on J-15A will only be revealed after Type 003 entering active service with sisters ships in development. If you see all J-15A being reassigned to land based with the 2 ski ramp carriers turned into support carriers or temporary inactive, then most likely the western news is correct. There are countries that tested Su-27/30 including with forward canard on low speed approach, it doesn't have the ability of less swept wings aircraft such as F/A-18C/D/E/F & rafale M.

Also wait for the J-15B/D/T suited for catapult launch. If you see the top speed reduced to Mach 2 or less with less swept angle wings reducing its aerodynamic, you will know who's telling the truth as law of physics cannot be defied. There's reason why F/A-18, Rafale M (despite having forward canard) have lower top speed and cruising speed sacrificed aerodynamics for this purpose.

That's his daily job and he is striving to make ends meet by doing this job. You stop his lies, you stop his income stream.

What job? What I replied username "beast" below applies on you too. Wait for the catapult launch version J-15B/D/T and you'll find out. If the J-15A aerodynamic is good for carrier based fighter, Shenyang Group would surely retain its aerodynamic in catapult launch version. If they redesigned the J-15T then it means the J-15A design not suited for carrier approach landing.

There is nothing patriotism about my right assessment of you. Even a moderator rightfully call out your fake statement about J-15. I can bet you will claim China Mars Rover successful landed on Mars is patriotism only. In fact the rover crashed and burn. All fake lies from CCP.

More like you cannot accept J-15. Or u want to haul up Deino and claim he lied about your statements?

You are dragging irrelevant topic and made your own assumption.

Why not you wait for the J-15B/T/D flight envelope and aerodynamic design before you judge blindly? It won't be long for J-15B/T/D redesigned for catapult launch to reveal its specifications since China has mastered EMALS technology.

 

[Deino]

What???

Put your over patriotism aside and stick to military talk reply with facts. Else you shouldn't reply

Then stick yourself to this ... it is always you who derails threads by fabricating things. Yes, stick to the facts or prove your points.

From neutral fair point of view, either side is lying, smearing or covering up. I won't side with either party blindly as facts shouldn't be twisted by favouritism.

This answer on J-15A will only be revealed after Type 003 entering active service with sisters ships in development. If you see all J-15A being reassigned to land based with the 2 ski ramp carriers turned into support carriers or temporary inactive, then most likely the western news is correct. There are countries that tested Su-27/30 including with forward canard on low speed approach, it doesn't have the ability of less swept wings aircraft such as F/A-18C/D/E/F & rafale M.

Also wait for the J-15B/D/T suited for catapult launch. If you see the top speed reduced to Mach 2 or less with less swept angle wings reducing its aerodynamic, you will know who's telling the truth as law of physics cannot be defied. There's reason why F/A-18, Rafale M (despite having forward canard) have lower top speed and cruising speed sacrificed aerodynamics for this purpose.


What job? What I replied username "beast" below applies on you too. Wait for the catapult launch version J-15B/D/T and you'll find out. If the J-15A aerodynamic is good for carrier based fighter, Shenyang Group would surely retain its aerodynamic in catapult launch version. If they redesigned the J-15T then it means the J-15A design not suited for carrier approach landing.



You are dragging irrelevant topic and made your own assumption.

Why not you wait for the J-15B/T/D flight envelope and aerodynamic design before you judge blindly? It won't be long for J-15B/T/D redesigned for catapult launch to reveal its specifications since China has mastered EMALS technology.

The major issue is, you are hyping up certain things that are simply not, telling things that are irrelevant and then avoid an answer.

Just see above: You made 4 false or completely exaggerated claims and your reply is "This answer on J-15A will only be revealed after Type 003 entering active service with sisters ships in development". NO, you were plain wrong: None of statements was correct like it is a dangerous bird and several fatal crashes occurred - WRONG -, no J-15s are currently build = WRONG - and that there are no J-15s for the Shandong - WRONG again and your reply is "This answer on J-15A will only be revealed after Type 003 entering active service with sisters ships in development".

So in fact you are the only one who's repeatedly "dragging irrelevant topic and made your own assumption" and when they are proven wrong you don't admit, but come up again with irrelevant stuff.

@Beast