Sharia court in Nigeria sentences singer to death for blasphemy

[terry5]

Edit : double post

 

[EasyNow]

Brother,

I am not really worried about this issue since I am Muslim, Thanks to Allah. I just debate you base on my knowledge on both Quran and Hadith for the sake of justice and truth.

Actually, I am more worried with Muslim living in other country. As some one living in US, just think if this law will be also applicable in their land. Do you want your son to be hanged because he said Christianity is laughable since that religion think that God need to be killed by their enemy, Roman, in order to clear human sin, and he said thing like that to his friend to convince him that Islam is the right religion and some how his friend recorded it and bring it to the court.

And How about Muslim in Kenya, Ethiopia ???

People rush to judgement and make a black and white assesment because its easier than having to think. Wisdom and patience are a virtue lost on internet mufti's

Just because there were some incidents where blasphemers were killed, does not negate the many other blasphemers who were spared.

It's like thieves should have their hands cut according to Sharia. But the wise one look at the circumstances. Umar RA proved that this personally under his rule.

Everyone should be given a fair trial, and if guilty punished proportionally. Death is not a proportionate
punishment for opinions, ridicule and jokes.

 

[EasyNow]

So you are more knowledgeable than ulma e ikaram ? and Sharaih will endorse your thoughts and implementing sharia makes us backward ?

I will find you a dozen ulema who disagree with your assessment. Don't use opinions as facts. People can't wait to escape from both the countries you mentioned - first in line is the ulema.

And I don't say Sharia is backwards, I said those countries are. Pakistan left that stage 500 years ago.

 

[peagle]

Yh when I tell my fellow Pakistanis that we must be clean before we accuse India, they accuse me of being Indian lmao, I don't blame them to an extent Pakistan has very low human capital, and very low quality education so all is excused .

I hope you will not mind, but I think it is not a good idea to attach a simplistic meaning to words.

All said and done, these guys are only professing support for something they believe strongly about, not actually going out to kill anyone, they are still operating within a legal framework.
In India, people are dying on the streets on an almost daily basis by mob justice, they have communal, caste, and religious riots on a very regular basis, many with active support from civil and security authorities.

We do hold a much higher moral ground, certainly with respect to India. the things happening in India simply do not happen in Pakistan, barely an odd incident.

Even with regards to the case in Nigeria, it is still better than India,
because they have followed a legal process, a law existed, the person knew it existed and chose to broke it, he was punished by following the legal process and he still has a chance to appeal and garner public support against his conviction.

Simply put, the rule of law is better than street justice any day. In India, you get killed merely on the suspicion of carrying cow meat and a great number of other reasons purely on assumed guilt. that deserves to be condemned no matter what.

India makes billions of dollars from beef and cow leather from exports, yet cow issue is used to oppress its minorities. If it is so important, stop exporting beef and cow leather, stop calling yourself secular and introduce relevant laws, people will know what is legal, so they know which rules to follow. India is meant to be a secular country, but has religious laws and kills persecutes its minorities on a regular basis on the basis of religion.

Me presenting India in my argument was merely to make a point because I was hoping to temper the emotions of my Muslim brothers, requesting them not to take an extreme view I was not showing one thing to be better than another.

A bad law is better than no law any day, even with a bad law you have a chance to fight your case or chance to get that law repealed.
With street justice, it is just law of the jungle, this is what has been happening in India for a very long time.
Because of social media and mass media, we are hearing about it much more, but if you do little research you will find it has been going on since India was created.

so please do not stop anyone from condemning India, because it is well deserved.

 

[shah_123]

Interpretation by hardliner, there is also no where seen in either Quran and Hadith to impose Hijab to all women but Shariah law interpreter in many countries set their own rule. Hijab for instant should be voluntarily. It is only one example.

Don't give your own meaning to Quranic verses -- this verse relates to your free will to accept Islam as a religion -- Once you accept Islam as religion, you are bound to follow it's rules and regulations (whether you like those rules or not).

 

[Adonis]

Don't give your own meaning to Quranic verses -- this verse relates to your free will to accept Islam as a religion -- Once you accept Islam as religion, you are bound to follow it's rules and regulations (whether you like those rules or not).

And has it not been done before......Each and every Mullah has it's own version of Quraan....problem is, we are not allowed to question in Quraan but to believe what's been told or written...however interpretation (telling) of what's been written can vary from person to person based on his understanding.....so what is absolute and what is inference is hard to decide.

 

[shah_123]

And has it not been done before......Each and every Mullah has it's own version of Quraan....problem is, we are not allowed to question in Quraan but to believe what's been told or written...however interpretation (telling) of what's been written can vary from person to person based on his understanding.....so what is absolute and what is inference is hard to decide.

every Mullah has one interpretation of the said verse ---- you don't like Islam, don't come this way, but you decide to come here, you will follow the rules; I think this was very simple!

Obviously we will not go to barbers, carpenters, mechanics for understanding Quran, it's the Mullahs --- get over with this.

 

[Adonis]

every Mullah has one interpretation of the said verse ---- you don't like Islam, don't come this way, but you decide to come here, you will follow the rules; I think this was very simple!

Obviously we will not go to barbers, carpenters, mechanics for understanding Quran, it's the Mullahs --- get over with this.

You have not answered....my comment was on each Mullah's version is different...To suit their agenda and keep them in job.....And as you said..."you don't come this way"...tell me if a person is born in Muslim family and do not want to follow Islam or convert , what is the provision....Death?....isn't it?.....so where is the option of your "do not come this way"?

 

[El Sidd]

You have not answered....my comment was on each Mullah's version is different...To suit their agenda and keep them in job.....And as you said..."you don't come this way"...tell me if a person is born in Muslim family and do not want to follow Islam or convert , what is the provision....Death?....isn't it?.....so where is the option of your "do not come this way"?

It's not that simple.

One can be banished from the community as well as impoverishment or even death.

It is all a matter of technicalities.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

every Mullah has one interpretation of the said verse ---- you don't like Islam, don't come this way, but you decide to come here, you will follow the rules; I think this was very simple!

Obviously we will not go to barbers, carpenters, mechanics for understanding Quran, it's the Mullahs --- get over with this.

Ignore the Indian troll. No use replying to them. Even if you bring mountain of evidence, it is never enough for the Hindutva mind.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Don't give your own meaning to Quranic verses -- this verse relates to your free will to accept Islam as a religion -- Once you accept Islam as religion, you are bound to follow it's rules and regulations (whether you like those rules or not).

Yes, brother. I agree with you.

Let us prophylactically stop this religious discussion now and discuss the topic only.

Nigeria is showing how blasphemy law can be carried out with the full support of the population and by following rule of law.

Here in Pakistan, it becomes needlessly politicized. When the proper judgement does not come and blasphemers are released, then populace feels they must take matters into their own hands to get justice.

Proper application of this law will prevent vigilantism and communal strife.

 

[Village life]

I will find you a dozen ulema who disagree with your assessment. Don't use opinions as facts. People can't wait to escape from both the countries you mentioned - first in line is the ulema.

And I don't say Sharia is backwards, I said those countries are. Pakistan left that stage 500 years ago.

It will be helpful if you share any of fatwa by ulema e ikaram against punishment of blasphamy , the best philosopher and Islamic scholar with PhD Dr Allama Iqbal ,the best lawyer and leader Mohammed Ali jinaah , the authority on Suni Islamic law Dr Israr Ahmed , the leader of tahafz e risalal s.a .w Moulana yousif ludhyanwi they were all of the view that blasbphemrs should be death sentenced , and they all admired the Ghazi Ilam din shaheed and his act , they even wished that they could have done what Gazi did , it will be really a education to me if you share any fatwa of which you said , thanks