Share ideas for change in the governance with Ms. Tania aidrus

[S.Y.A]

Okay. I guess its your word against mine at this point. If you can pinpoint some businesses that are currently doing "technician" work you can always have me check them out. In Karachi. Which is in Pakistan. Where I live and work.

automate. small setup, but good technicians who can find out the problem and repair PCBs. some others companies have people like these in their maintenance departments. unfortunately, they dont get a chance to showcase their skills.

 

[adelphi]

Maybe you should get involved in this initiative

There are more capable people in Pakistan than me. As for my part I had submitted PTI KPK Govt a very detailed plan to set up an IT Park similar to Pune(India) 7 years ago. The proposal included site plans, cost estimates, tax benefits, revenue forecast & finally the list of technology companies and their contacts. It either ended up as tea cup mat on someone's table or at Pakora Shop.
The flag ship project of KPK Govt ended up being Peshawar BRT. Riasat-e-Madina of 2019 requires technology parks as much as hospitals and other services. I remember Cisco was keen to setup it's presence in Pakistani Hyderabad when Microsoft moved to Indian Hyderabad. Due to Zardari they ended up in Bangalore. We have a long history of missed opportunities.

 

[forcetrip]

automate. small setup, but good technicians who can find out the problem and repair PCBs. some others companies have people like these in their maintenance departments. unfortunately, they dont get a chance to showcase their skills.

Let me break this down a bit more simply. Country of 220m. I am still asking for ONE "technician" that anyone here knows that can repair boards. Just one. Where we should have at least a million. I am still waiting for an answer who these companies are that have hired these "technicians". As far as I know the "technicians" in most Chinese and South Korean (Samsung, Kenwood, Orient) aftersales service offices do not know how to read the schematics for their own products. Make technicians first. Then we can sing songs about engineers and scientists about how ours have taken over the world with ground breaking new inventions.

 

[jupiter2007]

Make universal database for education board and give access to registered school/college/university to check the records of students academic record this will ease procedure for student to have number of documents and keep proving the institution that student has passed 10th grade.

Whole thing is 10 to 15 years late. We should have started this in 2005. I am glad current government is pursing this.
e-Government project should be the top priority of current government. e-Government will bring automation which will reduce 40% of Government overhead and there will be zero margin of error because computer doesn’t lie, cheat and take bribes.
As you can see from above picture, I have shared my ideas about Centralized database.
We should have National level database for health services and medical record that can be shared between government hospitals in Pakistan. Also need database for education record for verification purpose.

Let me break this down a bit more simply. Country of 220m. I am still asking for ONE "technician" that anyone here knows that can repair boards. Just one. Where we should have at least a million. I am still waiting for an answer who these companies are that have hired these "technicians". As far as I know the "technicians" in most Chinese and South Korean (Samsung, Kenwood, Orient) aftersales service offices do not know how to read the schematics for their own products. Make technicians first. Then we can sing songs about engineers and scientists about how ours have taken over the world with ground breaking new inventions.

Chinese under CPEC initiative will be bring Hardware industry to Pakistan. They will build required infrastructure and train people.

 

[S.Y.A]

Let me break this down a bit more simply. Country of 220m. I am still asking for ONE "technician" that anyone here knows that can repair boards. Just one. Where we should have at least a million. I am still waiting for an answer who these companies are that have hired these "technicians". As far as I know the "technicians" in most Chinese and South Korean (Samsung, Kenwood, Orient) aftersales service offices do not know how to read the schematics for their own products. Make technicians first. Then we can sing songs about engineers and scientists about how ours have taken over the world with ground breaking new inventions.

already told you. you were asking for ONE, I told of a company. Automate is a company's name.

similar people found in some govt departments as well, i know of some who were employed in the navy dockyard. others are those who I worked with. some of them went on to get BE degrees after DAE. some stayed where they are because of financial reasons.

 

[The Accountant]

Let me break this down a bit more simply. Country of 220m. I am still asking for ONE "technician" that anyone here knows that can repair boards. Just one. Where we should have at least a million. I am still waiting for an answer who these companies are that have hired these "technicians". As far as I know the "technicians" in most Chinese and South Korean (Samsung, Kenwood, Orient) aftersales service offices do not know how to read the schematics for their own products. Make technicians first. Then we can sing songs about engineers and scientists about how ours have taken over the world with ground breaking new inventions.

Ypu are talking in very broad terminologies. If you are asking about simple board repairing then you can visit any mobile or electronic market markets repairing boards of mobiles, televisions even laptops.

I know few engineers that designed fully automated UAV chopper that demonstrated to fly on auto pilot and also demonstrated to the capability to deliver one KG payload.

So yes we do have capacity. The issue is the demand. We are novice in the industry and loke any novuce industry our products are expensive and therefore are nit commercially feasible. We need a long term plan to develop a semi-conductor industry and incentivise them . Government need to bear few of the cost atleast for a decade or 2 only then they will be cost effective enough to compete with markets of china india south korea and israel.

Remember none of these tech giants become giant on their own. China and india were closed economy and opened up only after their local industry was mature enough to compete internationally. South korea and israel got unlimited tech support from US.

So its not about talent or knowledgebase but commercial viability. A technician smart enough to repair a board will prefer to shift Australia or US where he can easily get a job in HP and intel as Pakistani market is too small and local repair agent cant afford such a talented person.

Its about economics and not about talent.

May be you would like to add somethibg @ps3linux .

Kindly ignore typing error as i am typing on mobile.

 

[forcetrip]

already told you. not my problem if you cant read. you were asking for ONE, I told of a company. Automate is a company's name.

similar people found in some govt departments as well, i know of some who were employed in the navy dockyard. others are those who I worked with. some of them went on to get BE degrees after DAE. some stayed where they are because of financial reasons.

http://automatepakistan.com/

 

[S.Y.A]

http://automatepakistan.com/

no, not this one. they dont have a website. they assemble and repair infotainment systems for toyota etc. That is how i came to know about them. located at SITE area.
If you have a problem with your infotainment system, and you go to a roadside shop, they just tell you to have the entire PCB replaced. These people have schematics and everything, and can find the exact malfunctioning IC and replace it.

 

[forcetrip]

no, not this one. they dont have a website. they assemble and repair infotainment systems for toyota etc. That is how i came to know about them. located at SITE area.
If you have a problem with your infotainment system, and you go to a roadside shop, they just tell you to have the entire PCB replaced. These people have schematics and everything, and can find the exact malfunctioning IC and replace it.

So this would be the step in the right direction. We need to have more of these companies instead of the roadside shops. It shouldn't be this hard and all the way in site area to find these companies.

 

[newb3e]

@ps3linux can blockchain make governance efficient and transparent? how about concerned depts having rights to read write and verify data and shared among the whole network? i think immutability will be a blessing and curse at the same time your input please

 

[Paul2]

My understanding is very reasonable. Please share of any "technicians" that can succesfully toubleshoot and repair circuit boards in Karachi as I reside in the country being mentioned. I am in desperate need of skilled "technicians" today. Once it is proved that I have been mistaken in my assessment of "technicians" I will gladly explain further about what kind of scientists and engineers we currently have.

Man, you got a point that, I believe, very few people in Pakistan, and its economic circles understand.

Those people need to understand that purely technological development, makes very very little impact on the economy as a whole. Rather than pooling all the resources in to one super duper overpriced high tech enterprise, which will at most hire few thousand people, the state is better looking the other direction.

Pakistan needs a LOW TECH industry which can hire enormous amount of people, and which will be available to people with lowest education level. This is contrary to mantras of development economist, but this is how China lifted itself out of poverty, and continues to do so up until this day.

Look no further than India which chases that model: yes, its higher education is quite OK, and they produce a lot of engineers, but all those smart engineers have no jobs because there is no factories to hire them, and there is no factories because there is no trained workforce for them. They have engineers from rich families expecting Western salaries on one end, and messed up people on the complete bottom of society who can't function in workforce at all.

 

[Max Pain]

I have serious reservations about her appointment. Reasons being

Tania doesn't have technical qualification to make her suitable candidate for the role. She is just an MBA.
Her role at Google was just marketing side of things. Which means that she will have to rely on input form technical people to run this project. Those technical people will not be Google Engineers this time and how she manages Govt Bureaucracy will be a challenge. I don't expect people with old habits will like her bossing them around.
I don't know the details of this initiative but it should be run with involvement of private sector. The focus should be to empower local companies to drive the initiative which I feel will be the case.
I wish her well but feel that we are having another Asad Umar who is good at talking but failed to deliver. Having said that I will be extremely happy if I'm proved wrong.

FYI this is from someone who previously worked at Google, involved in delivering 5G solution for Tokyo Olympics and currently involved in rolling out 5G Services in Australia. Irony is someone lectured me to speak to Ericsson regarding 5G in one of the previous threads which made my day .

Dr. Umer Saif was a much much better option but Alas out government didn't give him the respect he deserved.

I actually experienced the benefits of his work in PITB.
the tenant management system is much better. there used to be a time you had to get signs of nuberdaar of your muhalla on that big form and police station would often come up with objections.

Since the tenant management systems advent, this whole process has become super easy.

as far as I know, his removal was a political decision and I don't agree with Imran on this.

 

[ps3linux]

@ps3linux can blockchain make governance efficient and transparent? how about concerned depts having rights to read write and verify data and shared among the whole network? i think immutability will be a blessing and curse at the same time your input please

Sir jee block chains, AI and machine learning are the new FAD every tom, dick and harry who hears the words feel compelled to utter and use these words in their discussion just to impress people.

On a technical level yes block chain can make governance efficient, but frankly this would require huge investment in IT infrastructure, expecting retard/incompetent/corrupt bureaucrats to implement it, bureaucrats who cannot even draft a memo or prepare a power point presentation, excel is way beyond them, and we are discussing block chains. a monkey accessing NASA space shuttle comes to mind.

So its not about talent or knowledgebase but commercial viability. A technician smart enough to repair a board will prefer to shift Australia or US where he can easily get a job in HP and intel as Pakistani market is too small and local repair agent cant afford such a talented person.

Its about economics and not about talent.

May be you would like to add somethibg @ps3linux .

Kindly ignore typing error as i am typing on mobile.

Should I? reading the mentioned comments is like going through the comments of "economy experts" in the economy related section of this forum, even a hobbyist/professional like me has advanced equipment and expertise to do mundane tasks of repairing a board, the real fun is playing with emmcs and the firmware. Pakistanis are now moving into the arena of designing RISC V based hardware. Board repair/design are just too basic for an electronics expert, although I do agree that the so called "professionals" mechanics we come across while taking some of our electronic items for repair do work on the basis of hit and trial rather than having real insights to the electronics and that is a failing of the Govt and private sector.

You have already mentioned the real reasons though.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Time to close this thread as we are much satisfied with status quo.