'Shadinota' Class corvette news and discussion.

[Genesis]

Don't bother with that joker.Pakistan could only dream of building something like a kolkata class destroyer or ins arihant or ins vikrant.He calls type 056 corvette as something of an achievement,its a most mediocre ship.An ASW corvette with no real passive anti torpedo jamming or decoy systems and worst of all it doesn't even have a hangar,just a helipad.Helicopter is the most important part of ASW.Type 56 is a not comparable to something like a kamorta in ASW.

You are right the Kamorta is better. Remind me, how many of the Kamorta class you have in your arsenal? 4? You know how many 056 we have.

We have already made 43+6 exported, more are coming online each year.

The point of a corvette is to have many of them that they can be everywhere at once. Or else, you just have a 3,000 ton ship that has a slightly better armament than a small corvette.

Your Kamorta class maybe bigger, but it is nothing in front of a destroyer/cruiser. So as a class of ship that is only created is limited numbers, it is more or less useless. You cant hunt submarines with 3 ships. You should know how big the battle of the Atlantic was.

 

[Nike]

Still using Dutch huh?

The language of the colonial masters and which no one else speaks except the Dutch?

You can make useless off-the-cuff comments just to dissolve your hate/spite but you know very little about Bangladesh Navy...

Maybe you'd want us to seriously reconsider defence and infra cooperation with Indonesia?

Why don't we talk to the other Indonesian members here and see how they feel about your comments.

Heh, who are you to decide cooperation between Indonesia and Bangladesh? Sure you are not one of decision maker, or else you will not busy posting CGI craps here and there

Just check the thread lol.



Says the guy speaking English.



@AUSTERLITZ when you have time for a bit of a laugh, have a read

Well the bless of being polyglot is nice isn't?

@AUSTERLITZ


Bangladesh shandinota class is surface patrol corvettes at best, not an ASW ones like Type 56 had (in which the PLAN attached z9 ASW per corvettes and have ability to laid chinese captas equivalent as they had hull mounted sonar, railling wire and rack for CAPTAS like equipment ). Shandinota class even doesnt include triple mounted torpedo launcher on them. Bangladesh Navy Apparently making cut in corner for the budget and so they got a corvettes with so so capabilities.

 

[UKBengali]

@AUSTERLITZ


Bangladesh shandinota class is surface patrol corvettes at best, not an ASW ones like Type 56 had (in which the PLAN attached z9 ASW per corvettes and have ability to laid chinese captas equivalent as they had hull mounted sonar, railling wire and rack for CAPTAS like equipment ). Shandinota class even doesnt include triple mounted torpedo launcher on them. Bangladesh Navy Apparently making cut in corner for the budget and so they got a corvettes with so so capabilities.

These corvettes will work with the 2 Durjoy class LPC that have dedicated ASW capabilities.

BD has no real need right now for sophisticated ASW capability as the Barmans have no subs. To take on India, BD will start construction of the first of 6 modern 4000+ tonne frigates next year and it has 2 Do-228NG MPA and two AW-159 ASW helicopters are on order. 2 more Do-228NG are on order and tender placed for 2 more AW-159 ASW helicopters.
Obviously modern diesel ssks will be ordered as per "Forces Goal 2030"

 

[Bilal9]

BD has no real need right now for sophisticated ASW capability as the Barmans have no subs.

it has 2 Do-228NG MPA and two AW-159 ASW helicopters are on order. 2 more Do-228NG are on order and tender placed for 2 more AW-159 ASW helicopters.

Exactly.

Indian think tanker poo-pooing the C13B corvette because it doesn't have ASW - but he doesn't know that AW 159 ASW helos will operate from these corvettes. No ship this small has a Helo hangar. You can use a accordion type hanger if needs dictate.

Armchair naval think tank specialist...

This Indian think tanker lol does not know the first thing about littoral shelf anti submarine warfare strategy - he is bringing into a conversation discussing our 1300 ton C13B corvette - the Indian Kamorta class which is a 3500 ton ship IN calls a 'corvette' - it is 'anything but' a littoral warfare vessel. It is so badly designed and heavy that they had to finally resort to building the superstructure with GFRP to preserve dynamic balance.

They tried to sell the Kamorta class to the Filipinos and even they rejected it. Apparently they found issues with GRSE shipyard finances when audited, even before they got to evaluating the ship.

The point of a corvette is to have many of them that they can be everywhere at once. Or else, you just have a 3,000 ton ship that has a slightly better armament than a small corvette.

Excellent observation!

On further note, on the topic of ASW in shallow littoral patrol capability, the Indian Navy has finally ordered sixteen examples of 700 ton patrol boats. 8 each will be built at GRSE and Cochin yards. These are successors to the Abhay class in IN and are analogs of our 650 ton Durjoy class ASW patrol boats for littoral submarine chaser duties, which are a step or rung lower in size than our 1300 ton C13B corvettes, which does not have an ASW role either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Submarine_Warfare_Shallow_Water_Craft

 

[UKBengali]

Exactly.

This Indian think tanker lol does not know the first thing about littoral shelf anti submarine warfare strategy - he is bringing into a conversation discussing our 1300 ton C13B corvette - the Indian Kamorta class which is a 3500 ton ship IN calls a 'corvette' - it is 'anything but' a littoral warfare vessel. It is so badly designed and heavy that they had to finally resort to building the superstructure with GFRP to preserve dynamic balance.

They tried to sell the Kamorta class to the Filipinos and even they rejected it. Apparently they found issues with GRSE shipyard finances when audited, even before they got to evaluating the ship.

I am not entirely sure why the BD version does not have any anti-submarine capability but the two new ships to be delivered this year do have the Chinese SR2410C S-band 3D AESA radar for surface and air search purposes. This radar can also be used for helicopter landing control and as a fire control radar. The radar has a detection range of 150 kilometres (93 mi) and has the capability to track 150 targets per rotation. This radar means that "surprise" attacks on the BD fleet with be virtually impossible.

 

[Bilal9]

I am not entirely sure why the BD version does not have any anti-submarine capability but the two new ships to be delivered this year do have the Chinese SR2410C S-band 3D AESA radar for surface and air search purposes. This radar can also be used for helicopter landing control and as a fire control radar. The radar has a detection range of 150 kilometres (93 mi) and has the capability to track 150 targets per rotation. This radar means that "surprise" attacks on the BD fleet with be virtually impossible.

With the quality of these Indian think tanker opinions - your ship is toast anyhow.

One of them was suggesting fitting brahmos units on a 700 ton littoral ASW vessel.

 

[UKBengali]

This makes BD a blue water navy how? BD definitely is not even brown water in actual effective use.

I don't think I could name very many countries that had 1 million people officially shafted into them in such short space of time and took it like a butthurt champ does....and then bought rice from the shafter haha....instead of actually following thru to even 0.001% with the rona-drona by defence forum kids....forget shooting down planes.

Not the 6 modern 4000+ tonne frigates by itself will make BN blue-water Navy. You will need other elements like diesel SSKs and tankers which will of course happen as per "forces goal 2030". A tender for a couple of Landing Transport Ships was floated in February this year which can travel 15 days in sea and transport 8 50 tonne tanks.

The only thing that has not yet been publicly announced by BD is dedicated ocean-going Assault Ships but I do not see any reason why BD could not build and put into service a couple in the 2025-2035 time-frame. BD should aim to be able to land and support 5-10,000 marines anywhere in the IOR region. The most difficult and expensive aspect will be figher based air-defence IMO as the frigates can only provide so much coverage. Maybe BD could look at getting ToT to build some helicopter carriers(~20,000 tonnes) which could carry 12-18 STOL aircraft but I am not sure where these aircraft will come from as US is unlikely to sell F-35B to BD. China may come up with a 5th generation STOL aircraft in the next 10-15 years and so that is another option. Anyway I do not see BN having an expeditionary capability like this till maybe 2040, as it will be pretty expensive to build and maintain and BD economy will not be large enough by 2030 to support this capability.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

You are right the Kamorta is better. Remind me, how many of the Kamorta class you have in your arsenal? 4? You know how many 056 we have.

We have already made 43+6 exported, more are coming online each year.

The point of a corvette is to have many of them that they can be everywhere at once. Or else, you just have a 3,000 ton ship that has a slightly better armament than a small corvette.

Your Kamorta class maybe bigger, but it is nothing in front of a destroyer/cruiser. So as a class of ship that is only created is limited numbers, it is more or less useless. You cant hunt submarines with 3 ships. You should know how big the battle of the Atlantic was.

Kamorta is only P28 series,its follow on 8 P28A are coming soon.You see unlike type 056 which is a coastal ship with low tonnage,kamorta is a true blue water ship of frigate level with plenty of space left open for any future upgrades.Its a dedicated ASW and unlike type 56 actually had passive countermeasures /anti torpedo decoy launchers and a hangar .I don't understand how you can have a credible ASW ship without a hangar based helo.Total we will have 12 dedicated ASW corvettes which are frigates in all but name.Unlike PLAN which is faced by a 100 odd japanese and american submarines we have at best half a dozen PN subs and whatever subs the PLAN can send without running out of endurance from faraway SCS to worry about.So we don't need such gigantic numbers,we need quality.Coupled with the latest P-8 poseidons,our own subs and other ships,maybe the 22 guardian drones we can deal with the issue.Also unlike PLAN all our major warships(destroyer level) are equipped with 2 ASW helicopters rather than 1 for better,wider and consistent coverage.

 

[UKBengali]

Kamorta is only P28 series,its follow on 8 P28A are coming soon.You see unlike type 056 which is a coastal ship with low tonnage,kamorta is a true blue water ship of frigate level with plenty of space left open for any future upgrades.Its a dedicated ASW and unlike type 56 actually had passive countermeasures /anti torpedo decoy launchers and a hangar .I don't understand how you can have a credible ASW ship without a hangar based helo.Total we will have 12 dedicated ASW corvettes which are frigates in all but name.Unlike PLAN which is faced by a 100 odd japanese and american submarines we have at best half a dozen PN subs and whatever subs the PLAN can send without running out of endurance from faraway SCS to worry about.So we don't need such gigantic numbers,we need quality.Coupled with the latest P-8 poseidons,our own subs and other ships,maybe the 22 guardian drones we can deal with the issue.Also unlike PLAN all our major warships(destroyer level) are equipped with 2 ASW helicopters rather than 1 for better,wider and consistent coverage.

BN is likely to have 4-6 modern SSKs by 2030.

As for PLAN, are you aware that it's Navy will be by far the 2nd most powerful in the world by 2030 and not that much far behind the US?
We are talking about dozens of cutting-edge Type-95 SSNs and those P-8s and Drones will be taken care of by SAMs from the PLANs destroyers and frigates, not to mention the fighters based on their carriers.

 

[The Ronin]

Don't bother with that joker.Pakistan could only dream of building something like a kolkata class destroyer or ins arihant or ins vikrant.He calls type 056 corvette as something of an achievement,its a most mediocre ship.An ASW corvette with no real passive anti torpedo jamming or decoy systems and worst of all it doesn't even have a hangar,just a helipad.Helicopter is the most important part of ASW.Type 56 is a not comparable to something like a kamorta in ASW.

Bangladesh shandinota class is surface patrol corvettes at best, not an ASW ones like Type 56 had (in which the PLAN attached z9 ASW per corvettes and have ability to laid chinese captas equivalent as they had hull mounted sonar, railling wire and rack for CAPTAS like equipment ). Shandinota class even doesnt include triple mounted torpedo launcher on them. Bangladesh Navy Apparently making cut in corner for the budget and so they got a corvettes with so so capabilities.

How many times do we have to say to you people these C-13B wasn't meant for ASW in the first place. It will patrol the shallow water where submarine threat is low and Durjoy class ASW LPC will be with them. Even PLAN operates some Type-56 without ASW. The Algerian C-28A is the best variant of Type 56 available there. -_-

 

[Nilgiri]

You are right the Kamorta is better. Remind me, how many of the Kamorta class you have in your arsenal? 4? You know how many 056 we have.

We have already made 43+6 exported, more are coming online each year.

The point of a corvette is to have many of them that they can be everywhere at once. Or else, you just have a 3,000 ton ship that has a slightly better armament than a small corvette.

Your Kamorta class maybe bigger, but it is nothing in front of a destroyer/cruiser. So as a class of ship that is only created is limited numbers, it is more or less useless. You cant hunt submarines with 3 ships. You should know how big the battle of the Atlantic was.

China is never gonna get a supportable, actionable fleet out to the Indian Ocean at any relevance in any conflict. You have one major hostile island chain to get past in your immediate neighbourhood and several chokepoints past that. At each point they will be interdicted by remote sensing and assets like P-8s (I hope I need not need to tell you what they are equipped with) and all allied corollaries. There is a reason why India has upgraded its presence and reach now between Port Blair and Aceh....and expanding cooperation with ASEAN and Australia. @AUSTERLITZ

Keep your kabuki paper numbers to south china sea....they are hemmed in and for feel good posturing.

 

[UKBengali]

China is never gonna get a supportable, actionable fleet out to the Indian Ocean at any relevance in any conflict. You have one major hostile island chain to get past in your immediate neighbourhood and several chokepoints past that. At each point they will be interdicted by remote sensing and assets like P-8s (I hope I need not need to tell you what they are equipped with) and all allied corollaries. There is a reason why India has upgraded its presence and reach now between Port Blair and Aceh....and expanding cooperation with ASEAN and Australia. @AUSTERLITZ

Keep your kabuki paper numbers to south china sea....they are hemmed in and for feel good posturing.

Are you aware that Myanmar is a Chinese client state now?

Get ready for a Chinese naval base in the Bay of Bengal. Can see a whole Chinese fleet there.
Also Gwadar is being turned into a fully fledged Chinese Naval base.

India is going to get butt-f*cked from both sides by China.

PS - At least PLAN fleet will not be based in BD.

 

[Nilgiri]

Not the 6 modern 4000+ tonne frigates by itself will make BN blue-water Navy. You will need other elements like diesel SSKs and tankers which will of course happen as per "forces goal 2030". A tender for a couple of Landing Transport Ships was floated in February this year which can travel 15 days in sea and transport 8 50 tonne tanks.

The only thing that has not yet been publicly announced by BD is dedicated ocean-going Assault Ships but I do not see any reason why BD could not build and put into service a couple in the 2025-2035 time-frame. BD should aim to be able to land and support 5-10,000 marines anywhere in the IOR region. The most difficult and expensive aspect will be figher based air-defence IMO as the frigates can only provide so much coverage. Maybe BD could look at getting ToT to build some helicopter carriers(~20,000 tonnes) which could carry 12-18 STOL aircraft but I am not sure where these aircraft will come from as US is unlikely to sell F-35B to BD. China may come up with a 5th generation STOL aircraft in the next 10-15 years and so that is another option. Anyway I do not see BN having an expeditionary capability like this till maybe 2040, as it will be pretty expensive to build and maintain and BD economy will not be large enough by 2030 to support this capability.

@madokafc @Gibbs

@Michael Corleone you were asking about blue water navy BN projection, there ya go man. It's all so easy peasy.

Get ready for a Chinese naval base in the Bay of Bengal. Can see a whole Chinese fleet there.
Also Gwadar is being turned into a fully fledged Chinese Naval base.

Always highly laughagle when one reads what China actually plans to station in these "naval" "bases" lol. Tokenism paper tiger stuff as always, but to be expected given what the USN, ROKN, JPN and ROCN have sitting on China's doorstep.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Not the 6 modern 4000+ tonne frigates by itself will make BN blue-water Navy. You will need other elements like diesel SSKs and tankers which will of course happen as per "forces goal 2030". A tender for a couple of Landing Transport Ships was floated in February this year which can travel 15 days in sea and transport 8 50 tonne tanks.

The only thing that has not yet been publicly announced by BD is dedicated ocean-going Assault Ships but I do not see any reason why BD could not build and put into service a couple in the 2025-2035 time-frame. BD should aim to be able to land and support 5-10,000 marines anywhere in the IOR region. The most difficult and expensive aspect will be figher based air-defence IMO as the frigates can only provide so much coverage. Maybe BD could look at getting ToT to build some helicopter carriers(~20,000 tonnes) which could carry 12-18 STOL aircraft but I am not sure where these aircraft will come from as US is unlikely to sell F-35B to BD. China may come up with a 5th generation STOL aircraft in the next 10-15 years and so that is another option. Anyway I do not see BN having an expeditionary capability like this till maybe 2040, as it will be pretty expensive to build and maintain and BD economy will not be large enough by 2030 to support this capability.

@madokafc @Gibbs

@Michael Corleone you were asking about blue water navy BN projection, there ya go man. It's all so easy peasy.



Always highly laughagle when one reads what China actually plans to station in these "naval" "bases" lol. Tokenism paper tiger stuff as always, but to be expected given what the USN, ROKN, JPN and ROCN have sitting on China's doorstep.

Heck even China had not yet achieved true blue water capability... the only navy that currently seemed to project their power anytime anywhere all year... is US navy... even Royal Navy can’t be called masters of the seas no more. These are just amateurish talks tbh... bd doesn’t have a requirement for a blue water navy... it won’t pursue one... what it cares about is an effective brown water navy that can stand up to to any potential naval blockade... not anything else.

 

[UKBengali]

Heck even China had not yet achieved true blue water capability... the only navy that currently seemed to project their power anytime anywhere all year... is US navy... even Royal Navy can’t be called masters of the seas no more. These are just amateurish talks tbh... bd doesn’t have a requirement for a blue water navy... it won’t pursue one... what it cares about is an effective brown water navy that can stand up to to any potential naval blockade... not anything else.

Even Spain has a blue water Navy according to some definition.

@Nilgiri will be upset that you do not consider IN as blue-water Navy.

As long as BN can safeguard BD interests, then I am not interested in what definitions are given.