Shaan Taseer booked for 'hate speech' following Christmas message.

[Musketeeer]

Now he is being witch hunted by the same hari pagri mafia...unless we dont hang on qadri at every light pole..no getting rid from this hari pagri mafia!

Hanging on Qadri at every light pole will not be a riddance for u or shaan. It is better that you utter some decent words from your mouth and try not to contradict the feelings of the majority of Pakistani Muslims. You want peace or hate. Its onto you. Almost, all the time, both parties are the reason of a conflict.

 

[That Guy]

I am talking about Salman Taseer trying to influence that woman's case...............That's exactly what happened and it is no secret.

No, he did not. He provided assistance to the woman, plus political support, nothing more; Neither action is against the law.

If the Pakistani police could protect people it would have also saved those two Muslim brothers who got lynched in Sialkot. That's the sorry state of affairs in Pakistan and even if you are a minority you have to act smart in your owncapacities. Remember Junaid Jamshed, even as a practicing religious man he was accused of Blasphemy and even got attacked.

Which is why the police needs to be retrained, and given proper pay. There are plenty of example of police, when given enough incentive, have successfully dispersed angry mobs. Just a little while ago, an Ahmedi mosque was attacked by an angry mob, which the police quickly put a stop to.

For Muslims religion is no ordinary matter. While it is still speculative I don't see how people will come to accept any sort of blasphemy whether its repugnant to the laws of the land or not. If I am not wrong Bangladesh has no such laws and still some alleged blasphemers get hacked to death occasionally...If what you are saying is to be accepted it has already proven it's futility, No?

Like i said, in the long term, changes will occur. The point isn't to get rid of the violence, that will never happen, but to reduce it so that the violence is no longer the norm, but is abnormal.

In BD's case, it was abnormal.

Unless the Pakistani society sees a drastic change which reaches out to every nook and cranny coupled with an improved law and order situation, I don't see how eliminating these laws will create any meaningful difference.....A few months back an Imam and his assistant got murdered right outside a mosque in NY, did any US laws stimulate those murders?

Your example is not a good comparison, as the context is completely different.

Pakistani society doesn't need to change drastically, it just needs to be steered towards a better direction. It's not eliminating laws that will change society, rather it is what eliminating them would represent and the long term effects of those changes. You don''t invest a dollar into your retirement fund, expecting to see it grow the very next day; it takes decades for meaningful changes to occur, but you have to start thinking about the changes right now.

 

[Musafir117]

Oh you caught me he just blew my cover
@The Sandman @Musafir117 @Hell hound @pak-marine


More like badsorat kamsin badroh jo @PaklovesTurkiye jaisey masom bachon ko chimarti hay

You might be know the story of " jin Ki Jan totte mein " to kill a Jin kill the parrot, these mulla tolla getting oxygen from that un Islamic laws imposed by two manhoos tareen rulers ZAB and Zia elimination of these laws from constitution and these zombies dies instantly.
My prays that Allah ASAP give us niijad from un Islamic laws and mulla tolla. Ameen

 

[Jaanbaz]

At this rate Pakistan would have to build gas chambers to execute millions of Qadaris, clearly they are out of hands.

 

[Umair Ahmed Abbasi]

i wonder why people are so afraid to even debate on the blasphemy law. are we the only muslim country left in the world? may i shine some light over the law that was actually made in Zia Ul Haq AKA Taliban Era? no one in his right mind will protest blasphemy. its actually the law that everyone objects.

 

[Djinn]

No, he did not. He provided assistance to the woman, plus political support, nothing more; Neither action is against the law.


Which is why the police needs to be retrained, and given proper pay. There are plenty of example of police, when given enough incentive, have successfully dispersed angry mobs. Just a little while ago, an Ahmedi mosque was attacked by an angry mob, which the police quickly put a stop to.


Like i said, in the long term, changes will occur. The point isn't to get rid of the violence, that will never happen, but to reduce it so that the violence is no longer the norm, but is abnormal.

In BD's case, it was abnormal.


Your example is not a good comparison, as the context is completely different.

Pakistani society doesn't need to change drastically, it just needs to be steered towards a better direction. It's not eliminating laws that will change society, rather it is what eliminating them would represent and the long term effects of those changes. You don''t invest a dollar into your retirement fund, expecting to see it grow the very next day; it takes decades for meaningful changes to occur, but you have to start thinking about the changes right now.

He was a government official and it wasn't just "support" he also dragged in media coverage, using his influence to have the alleged declared as completely innocent while the case was still pending in the court. ........Innocent until proven guilty is the rule but the innocence is to be ascertained by the court not biased officials........When you hold a government office you are to abide by certain rules and regulations.
I think every Pakistani wishes for the law and order situation to improve but that is a long shot.......BD cases may strike as abnormal but no one can deny such cases happen everywhere......My point is to illustrate the fact that violence to counter blasphemy is not relative to the laws rather it's the perceptual grounds and regardless of the environmental factors it's in humans nature to exhibit erratic behavior.
I in my personal capacity do hope that people stop taking law into their hands every time they hear something regarding blasphemy...........However me just wishing that wont make it happen. Repelling the laws at this stage will only attract more trouble and a colossal backlash especially for their antagonists and the case of Salman Taseer is clear and therefore his son needs to be extra cautious in his speech. The wider factions of the Pakistani society aren't ready to have these laws scrutinized and there is nothing the rest can do about it.............A step in the right direction makes sense but there can only be a few steps at a given time and since Pakistan has a lot of ground to cover I don't think Blasphemy laws are in the priority list atm.

 

[shining eyes]

Now he is being witch hunted by the same hari pagri mafia...unless we dont hang on qadri at every light pole..no getting rid from this hari pagri mafia!

Keyboard fanatics/extremists calling for hanging populations by poles - Your sectarian hatred and mental state WELL-showed by this post!

Smells like ISIS in this forum!

4 lafz English k ajaty hain to apny ap ko hitler smajhny lagty hain - Baggar billay!

Let me set your records straight and your education enhanced - ALL of the religious parties OWNED Mumtaz Qadri - Now you stop spreading sectarian hatred or bark at your masters

 

[Naif al Hilali]

even those who claimed prophethood and other apostates were given three chances over three days in the Sahaba's time to repent before they were killed.

only in Bush's America and our dear Pakistan is even holding a different political viewpoint or questioning the killing of civilians specially those who have taken the Shahada punishable by a drone strike, a Talibani attack (notice how they use 14-year old children and young widows; have not seen Zwahiri or any other leader offer himself for suicide vest fittings), or kidnappings, renditions, and firing on 70 children at a time by Mush and Zar.

why should these things even go to capital courts? hate speech can be fined and jail time imposed on subsequent offenses by civil courts.

if Allah wanted blood, he would have ordered us to destroy all churches and temples and kill all Christians and others who do the greatest sin of Shirk (polytheism). 80% of our Muslim population would also be put to the sword then. only the public display of un-Islamic rituals, apostasism (reverting to Islam and then recanting), and treachery in wartime are prohibited - the last is the only thing that can be summarily awarded a capital sentence and even then leniency is permissible.

we should take care of our own beliefs and try to repent our sins rather than worrying about what our neighbors think and making plans for lynching them.

 

[That Guy]

He was a government official and it wasn't just "support" he also dragged in media coverage, using his influence to have the alleged declared as completely innocent while the case was still pending in the court. ........Innocent until proven guilty is the rule but the innocence is to be ascertained by the court not biased officials........When you hold a government office you are to abide by certain rules and regulations.

Getting the media involved is not against the law, saying someone is innocent is not against the law, EVEN IF you hold public office. It is generally inappropriate to talk about a current case, but not illegal. This does not constitute interference with an in progress case.

You keep saying that this is against the law, but what specific law is it against? Please name it.

I think every Pakistani wishes for the law and order situation to improve but that is a long shot.......BD cases may strike as abnormal but no one can deny such cases happen everywhere......My point is to illustrate the fact that violence to counter blasphemy is not relative to the laws rather it's the perceptual grounds and regardless of the environmental factors it's in humans nature to exhibit erratic behavior.

In that case, if we were to take what you say as factual, getting rid of the law wouldn't change anything, so why are you so against getting rid of it? After all, why keep a law that has little to no meaning. Why not render it defunct, and throw it out entirely?

As for improvement in law and order, these things take time, and no it is not a long shot. As Pakistan grows economically, politically, and socially, the law and order situation WILL improve, that is fact.

I in my personal capacity do hope that people stop taking law into their hands every time they hear something regarding blasphemy...........However me just wishing that wont make it happen. Repelling the laws at this stage will only attract more trouble and a colossal backlash especially for their antagonists and the case of Salman Taseer is clear and therefore his son needs to be extra cautious in his speech. The wider factions of the Pakistani society aren't ready to have these laws scrutinized and there is nothing the rest can do about it.............A step in the right direction makes sense but there can only be a few steps at a given time and since Pakistan has a lot of ground to cover I don't think Blasphemy laws are in the priority list atm.

Personally, I think scrapping the entire constitution and creating a new one would do a lot of good, but that's another topic.

I don't think repealing the law will make things worse than it already is. Idiotic so called "religious leaders", spineless politicians, and corrupt practices already exist, repealing this law won't do anything that isn't already being done, namely protests and riots being held by idiotic factions, which already happen quite frequently.

His son can be as cautious as he wants, won't change the fact that he'll be targeted anyway. Lest we forget, a lot of the people that praised Qadri, also wanted to lynch Salman's entire family just for being associated with him, and I can guarantee you that even the small children of that entire family are probably being harassed.

If anything, I think Pakistanis are ready to have the laws scrutinized, as it is the easiest way to refine them. Considering just how big of an issue Blasphemy is in Pakistan, I think it is a major priority. There are legitimate other criminal cases that need to be heard, which are already being pushed back due to a massive backlog in court proceedings. Pakistan's judiciary does not need these stupid little cases to start clogging up the system even further.

 

[somebozo]

Hanging on Qadri at every light pole will not be a riddance for u or shaan. It is better that you utter some decent words from your mouth and try not to contradict the feelings of the majority of Pakistani Muslims. You want peace or hate. Its onto you. Almost, all the time, both parties are the reason of a conflict.

Zero tolerance for religious fanatics..everyone should keep their religion limited to themselves..!
Peaceful people are the cheerleader of Qadri like moron!

 

[marbella]

Baba Qadri ky mazar ky Mureed mein ijafa!!!!
So many of followers of Baba on PDF.
You can count them by 'likes' they put on pro-qadri comments.

 

[Djinn]

Getting the media involved is not against the law, saying someone is innocent is not against the law, EVEN IF you hold public office. It is generally inappropriate to talk about a current case, but not illegal. This does not constitute interference with an in progress case.

You keep saying that this is against the law, but what specific law is it against? Please name it.


In that case, if we were to take what you say as factual, getting rid of the law wouldn't change anything, so why are you so against getting rid of it? After all, why keep a law that has little to no meaning. Why not render it defunct, and throw it out entirely?

As for improvement in law and order, these things take time, and no it is not a long shot. As Pakistan grows economically, politically, and socially, the law and order situation WILL improve, that is fact.


Personally, I think scrapping the entire constitution and creating a new one would do a lot of good, but that's another topic.

I don't think repealing the law will make things worse than it already is. Idiotic so called "religious leaders", spineless politicians, and corrupt practices already exist, repealing this law won't do anything that isn't already being done, namely protests and riots being held by idiotic factions, which already happen quite frequently.

His son can be as cautious as he wants, won't change the fact that he'll be targeted anyway. Lest we forget, a lot of the people that praised Qadri, also wanted to lynch Salman's entire family just for being associated with him, and I can guarantee you that even the small children of that entire family are probably being harassed.

If anything, I think Pakistanis are ready to have the laws scrutinized, as it is the easiest way to refine them. Considering just how big of an issue Blasphemy is in Pakistan, I think it is a major priority. There are legitimate other criminal cases that need to be heard, which are already being pushed back due to a massive backlog in court proceedings. Pakistan's judiciary does not need these stupid little cases to start clogging up the system even further.

I am not well versed with the Pakistani law so cannot tell you the exact laws which he may have breached in his personal pursuit of this case. However his unilateral interests in the case did undermine the following accepted norms, an extract out of which is provided below:
Parliament and Judiciary must fulfill their respective but critical roles in the promotion of the rule of law in a complementary and constructive manner, instead of desiring to achieve cheap popularity. Parliament must be able to carry out its legislative and constitutional functions in accordance with the Constitution, free from unlawful interference from other organs of the government.
And now please watch the following video, Again I am not saying what he said is right or wrong, but as a Government official he cannot criticize a law which was enacted by the parliament and implemented by the judiciary.

In an other interview he also tried to malign courts which is a clear contempt of courts when he hinted that the courts were trying to stall the case. I am sure you will find that video as well.

I don't think it's about what I, you or a few others believe it's all about what the majority wants.............And if the majority want these laws intact then there isn't much which a few individuals can accomplish. If the Pakistani citizens not including the netizens really wanted for these laws to be scrutinized it would have happened already. There is this cyber world and then there is this real world and trust you me with reference to Pakistan, they both reflect diverging opinions.

If Taseer family is being harassed then we all know the reason and Shaan's outbursts will further aggravate the situation. If criticizing these laws is becoming such a fad then why don't we hear current government officials or even other political parties going vocal on the issue? I really would like to hear similar statements from Sharif and Zardari/Bhutoo offspring's.

 

[war&peace]

Only mirzais should be allowed to open fire on Milaad Processions and no one will touch them. Mirzay deyo chamcheyo!

Yes it seems so some libturds doing that but keep roasting them with your straight talk and facts.

 

[Zibago]

Keyboard fanatics/extremists calling for hanging populations by poles - Your sectarian hatred and mental state WELL-showed by this post!

Smells like ISIS in this forum!

4 lafz English k ajaty hain to apny ap ko hitler smajhny lagty hain - Baggar billay!

Let me set your records straight and your education enhanced - ALL of the religious parties OWNED Mumtaz Qadri - Now you stop spreading sectarian hatred or bark at your masters

That means all relogious parties are acting like blood thirst dungholes

At this rate Pakistan would have to build gas chambers to execute millions of Qadaris, clearly they are out of hands.

Kutoan kay moan ko Insani khoon lag gaya hay

 

[That Guy]

I am not well versed with the Pakistani law so cannot tell you the exact laws which he may have breached in his personal pursuit of this case. However his unilateral interests in the case did undermine the following accepted norms, an extract out of which is provided below:
Parliament and Judiciary must fulfill their respective but critical roles in the promotion of the rule of law in a complementary and constructive manner, instead of desiring to achieve cheap popularity. Parliament must be able to carry out its legislative and constitutional functions in accordance with the Constitution, free from unlawful interference from other organs of the government.
And now please watch the following video, Again I am not saying what he said is right or wrong, but as a Government official he cannot criticize a law which was enacted by the parliament and implemented by the judiciary.

There was no unlawful interference, and unless you can prove it, this gets thrown out the window.

Even as a government official, he has the right (as a citizen of Pakistan) to criticize certain laws. Criticism and disregard are two different things. He was trying to use legal methods to reform or even get rid of the blasphemy law, he did not use illegal avenues.

Promotion of the rule of law is one thing, but that doesn't constitute blind devotion and belief in every single law that is made. The fact that he died, and Qadri got a lot of praise, shows that Salman wasn't trying to achieve popularity, or to score political points, considering that he held a deeply unpopular opinion. So your excerpt is kind of a nonstarter here.

In an other interview he also tried to malign courts which is a clear contempt of courts when he hinted that the courts were trying to stall the case. I am sure you will find that video as well.

That is not how "contempt of court" works, why do people keep misusing this term. Salman's accusations do not constitute a contempt of court, simply due to the fact that personal opinion (protected speech by law) and occurred actions (what Salman did) come into play here. To even a casual observer, Salman was absolutely correct, and even recently, the court has once against stalled the process of the case in question. Salman did not break any laws, he did not address a specific judge, he did not cause any sort of problems for the courts to proceed with the trial.

Simply put, I don't buy this argument.

I don't think it's about what I, you or a few others believe it's all about what the majority wants.............And if the majority want these laws intact then there isn't much which a few individuals can accomplish. If the Pakistani citizens not including the netizens really wanted for these laws to be scrutinized it would have happened already. There is this cyber world and then there is this real world and trust you me with reference to Pakistan, they both reflect diverging opinions.

Pakistan isn't as simple as majority rule, you know that. Though, I have to say that "tyranny of the majority" certainly exists within Pakistan. Progressing a nation forward sometimes means that you have to make unpopular choices, this is certainly one of them.

If Taseer family is being harassed then we all know the reason and Shaan's outbursts will further aggravate the situation. If criticizing these laws is becoming such a fad then why don't we hear current government officials or even other political parties going vocal on the issue? I really would like to hear similar statements from Sharif and Zardari/Bhutoo offspring's.

I never really said it was a fad, or a trend, but it certainly slowly will become one. The reason why we don't hear officals talk about it? Take one guess, I'll give you a hint: They're all afraid that they'll get murdered. I hope that hint helps.

Besides, we have heard one politician talk about it, and he seems like the only one that may actually achieve the goal of reforming the law; Imran Khan is probably Pakistan's best bet currently of reforming the law.

Sharif is a conservative, you'll never see him talk about it. Zardari and Bilawal, despite being "secular" have a history of cooperating with ultra-religious and far right parties.

I do think Pakistanis are ready to have the debate, even if they're not yet ready to get rid of this law. Debate is the only way to convince Pakistanis that the blasphemy law is a bad idea, and is doing more harm than good.

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It is no longer a matter of "if", but "when". The blasphemy law WILL eventually face the chopping block, either it will reform on the way to the execution chamber, or it will die.