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Service in Indian forces no more attractive

Total Number of Indian Soldiers

1,129,900 Active personnel
960,000 Reserve personnel
158 Aircraft
(only Army not air force and Naval force)

10000 is not so big deal every year it happens, nearly 7 to 8 thousand leave job ,their 10 year contract ends so if they want they can leave and small part of them leave the job, this time it's 10 thousand , It doesn't mean that "Service in Indian forces no more attractive".

It's mostly Doctor , Engineers , Pilot, not Fighter Ground Soldiers. Army every year recruit these people and it's very tough to get job in army, competition is very high.


Indian economy is booming.
These people Doctors , pilot,Engineers get very huge opportunities in outer world , No Army in world can pay them as much as they can earn outside world. Many of them settle in USA(Indian doctor have their own Private planes in USA) , Many of them get recruited by Big MNC companies for Higher posts. many of them start their own business. :smokin:


so it's not big deal it happens every year. :lol:
 
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The stated statistics are not that worrying, however, the recurrent lapse of discipline in Ladakh is what is more worthy of concern and it has raised concerns as Gen. Bikram Singh has taken issue of the officer-jawans scuffles.
 
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The stated statistics are not that worrying, however, the recurrent lapse of discipline in Ladakh is what is more worthy of concern and it has raised concerns as Gen. Bikram Singh has taken issue of the officer-jawans scuffles.

It was a isolated event and strict action has been taken. And that Unti is disbanded. Guilty are punished by army court and remaining are moved to various units
 
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it's normal thing every year 7000 to 80000 soldiers leave job this year it's 10000.

Some Pakistani love such news , They think now all Indian soldiers will leave their job then Pakistan will capture Kashmir and india..heheheheheheh heheh haha... :lol::lol::no:
 
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Service in Indian forces no more attractive; 25 thousand troops take retirement



NEW DELHI, (SANA): The employment of Indian Army is no more attractive for the masses due to corruption, irregularities and non cooperative attitude of high command officers. During last three years 25 thousand soldiers including 1600 officers have been voluntarily retired from service.

Meanwhile more than one thousand soldiers have committed suicide during last ten years. According to a report of Indian Magazine Vishwamohanan Pillai was looking forward to welcoming his son home for Onam. Instead, what arrived at his doorstep was his son’s coffin. On 8 August, Arun V, a jawan of the 16th Light Cavalry regiment in Samba district of Jammu & Kashmir, committed suicide with his service weapon. Arun, 30, wanted to visit his family in Thiruvananthapuram during the holiday season, but his leave application was denied approval by his superiors. A frustrated Arun ended up taking his own life.

Rift within A jawan recently climbed atop a mobile tower in Delhi, alleging harassment from superiors

As soon as the news of his suicide broke, angry jawans protested against the officers concerned. The stand-off lasted for several hours. Additional troops had to be rushed to the spot to keep a lid on the situation and all the officers were moved out of their living quarters. The army ordered two courts of inquiry to probe the incident.

This incident came close on the heels of what happened at Nyoma sub-station at Leh involving the 226 Field Artillery regiment on 11-12 May.

An orderly allegedly misbehaved with the wife of a Major, who beat him up. Despite the jawan being in a critical condition, the Major refused to let him get any medical treatment. This led to outrage among the fellow jawans. When the news reached the Commanding Officer (CO), he rushed to the spot and took the Major to task.

Infuriated with the public dressing down, the Major and his colleagues beat up the CO. Seeing this, the jawans went berserk and thrashed the officers. Later, the General Officer Commanding in-charge was rushed to Leh to defuse the situation. The army downplayed the incident, calling it a “minor scuffle”, adding that a court of inquiry had been ordered.

When Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh was asked about the Samba incident, he termed the incident as an isolated one in the 1.13 million-strong Indian Army. He added that there was no connection between the suicide and the stand-off. “We are looking into the problems and trying to fix them,” he said.

The army chief was being economical with the truth. On 3 September, Defence Minister AK Antony told Parliament that Pillai’s suicide had led to “unrest” among the troops deployed in the Samba sector and that the suicide and the stand-off were not two different incidents. That was not all. Figures released by the defence minister revealed a scary picture, illustrating the level of disenchantment among the jawans and the officers.

According to Antony, more than 25,000 soldiers have opted for voluntary retirement in the past three years (10,315 in 2011, 7,249 in 2010 and 7,499 in 2009). He added that during the same period, more than 1,600 officers have either sought voluntary retirement or have resigned (this when the army is already reeling under a massive shortage of close to 12,000 officers). He also revealed that since 2003, more than 1,000 jawans have committed suicide.

So, what’s ailing the Indian Army? Why are the jawans and officers treating each other like enemies? Some officers are blaming the shortage of officers coupled with the dwindling quality of the recruits.

Since 2009, over 25,000 jawans have opted for voluntary retirement, and 1,000 plus have committed suicide since 2003

“The army has expanded a lot and there is a lack of quality due to it,” says Maj Gen (retd) Afsir Karim. “There is a structural problem in the way officers are recruited. There is also a problem with the higher command. They indirectly affect things like how the men are treated, where they are deployed.”

Maj Gen (retd) GD Bakshi has a different take. He believes that strong bonds are rarely formed between jawans and officers in a peacetime army. “Combat is the biggest glue,” he says. “It is the combat stress that makes you face death together.”

According to officers, there is a lack of communication between the commanding officers and jawans. One of the reasons is that there are not enough officers and secondly, not enough responsibility is given to the Junior Commissioned Officer, the critical link between the jawans and the officers.

There is also a class bias. All financial handlings, court of inquiry, etc. are handled by officers. While a combat battalion requires 21 officers, only one-third of posts are filled on the ground. So every officer is, in effect, doing the job of three officers. That does not give adequate time to an officer to interact with his men as it should have been.

According to Lt Gen (retd) Raj Kadyan, “In our time, we used to have a notebook that had the personal details of every jawan under us such as his likes, dislikes, eccentricities, family, etc. Now, that kind of activity needs a lot of time because of the lopsided men-officer ratio.”

Officers also blame the lack of promotion options. According to a former commander, “Only 25 percent of the officers become Colonels; and only 0.05 percent get the chance of becoming a General. My batch had 1,200 commissioned officers and I was the only one who became a commander. There is plenty of frustration among the officer corps. After spending many years, everybody wants a good rank.”

The bulk of the jawans who used to join the army earlier came from villages, with little exposure. In the past 15-20 years, most of the jawans have been coming from semi-urban and urban areas. They are more educated and highly aspirational. They are not keen on blindly following their superior’s orders.

IN 2007, Antony had asked the Defence Institute of Psychological Research (DIPR) to investigate suicides and fratricide in the army. The DIPR concluded that high workload, lack of adequate rest and leaves, non-abundance of basic amenities and domestic concerns coupled with inadequate and insufficient support from the civil administration were the most prevalent factors causing stress among troops.

According to Maj Gen (retd) GD Bakshi, “A lot has changed in the past 20 years. The reality is that there is lack of respect for the army. Earlier, it was a matter of pride to be in the army. People would look up to you with awe. Now, you are a fool, wasting your prime for nothing.”

Senior officers admit that the recent cases of corruption involving top generals have also not helped the cause.

After his statement in Parliament, Antony met the three service chiefs and discussed the issues of suicides, retirements and fratricide. He asked the chiefs to ensure that officers should be liberal while granting leaves to jawans. He also asked the defence ministry to get in touch with the railways to ensure that whenever a jawan goes on leave, he immediately gets a reservation.

While the ministry is making all the right noises, it is for the army to do some serious introspection about effective man management skills that not only treats its jawans well, but also takes into account the society’s changing aspiration.


Service in Indian forces no more attractive; 25 thousand troops take retirement


funny how concerned a Pakistani news paper is about the the Indian army .:)
 
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I think the reports have calculated no. of soldiers from short service commission in which one has to serve for 15 years after that he could opt for retirement. people specially from engineering core opt for retirement. and about attraction....heck every engineering student from my college wanted to join army including me but we were thrown out during SSB interview i made it to board interview but then it was a difficult one, couldn't make it!
 
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funny how concerned a Pakistani news paper is about the the Indian army .:)

Isn't that the whole point of any newspaper, to report news both on National and International level and then their is India TV Channel, which more than caters for Indian desires.
 
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Now is the right time for the Pakistan Army to launch an offensive into India as the IA is in total shambles! They won't even need their battlefield nuke tipped Hatf missiles! In fact they won't need anything at all as most of the Indian jawans will desert their posts and join the PA to fight against the IA officers! :P

So what the dickens is Pakistan waiting for? :pop:
 
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lol @ OP found an article against IA got chance to spit venom and mission is accomplished....

Recently IA conducted recruitment drive,atleast 5000+ young people came. lakhs of people trying to join in army and navy....

lol @ OP found an article against IA got chance to spit venom and mission is accomplished....

Recently IA conducted recruitment drive,atleast 5000+ young people came to that drive. lakhs of people trying to join in army and navy....
 
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Some body should write to all these organisations with all the statistics you are busy posting here.
Indian army facing breakdown in ranks « Indian Military News

But not as bad as this....

my brother who is Squadron Leader in air force told me 3 months ago that Pakistan air force intelligence agencies have captured 64 persons in the link with Taliban and terrorists and all are officers and soldiers

And that's just the tip of the iceberg! Remember the attacks on Army Headquarters in Rawalpindi, Mehran Base in Karachi, Kamra Base in Attock and Wah Cantt? All have the hallmarks of an inside job. This really sucks, and far far more alarming! :azn:
 
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Isn't that the whole point of any newspaper, to report news both on National and International level and then their is India TV Channel, which more than caters for Indian desires.

Amazing a National and International news but we didn't get to read ,I read 2 news paper everyday(i mean main news not every corner with adds). I heard it's luxury to read news paper everyday in pak cost is 10 to 15 rs but Mr. We have news papers which start from 1 rs , average Indian paper 2 to 3 rs .
 
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See Bharti drama queens are active again. :girl_cray3:

1 : Source is not reliable....
2 : Soldiers retire to make way for others....
3 : It's only a small proportion.....
4 : It happens every year.....
5 : Why Pakistani media taking interest....
And above all.....this and that happened in Pakistan. :blah: :blah: :blah:

Again, any wonder that Indians are seen as an hobbesian lot. :tdown:
 
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I am bad at Maths can somebody calculate the percentage and compare it with some OTHER armies in neighbourhood :P

I wish people see the rush at induction camps :D
other neighbouring personnel have no other options.Here in india VRS people have lot many in pvt companies who pays better so most of them take VRS these days.
 
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This is an interesting read:

Today, the most discussed topic about the armed forces is the steady decline of standards of discipline. "The good old days" are remembered with pride and the present 'state of affairs' are often deplored.

As the Adjutant of the Indian Military Academy (January 1977 to July 1979), besides other duties, I was also responsible for maintaining discipline and imparting disciplinary training to the Gentleman Cadets, which would last for their lifetime.

When I am asked to comment on the falling standards of discipline in the armed forces, the lyrics of the Hindi poet Pradeep come to my mind. The words are set to music as the poet laments, 'Dekh tere sansaar ki haalat, Kya ho gaya Bhagwan, kitna badal gaya insaan.'

Take a close, hard look at today's society. There is a fall in standards of virtues, values, discipline, family ties, loyalty, sincerity -- everything. Everyone wants to take short cuts to achieve money and success.
Post Independence, the ultimate desire of the youth was to join the armed forces. Sixty five years later, today, even 'traditional Army families' are encouraging their youth to join multinational organizations or the administrative services.

Everybody wants 'quick money' and 'immediate luxuries'. Working with the armed forces is considered to be difficult, tough, and a thankless job. Glamour and power lies in other occupations. Even the hands of daughters and sisters are not offered to an army man because of frequent transfers and postings to Siachen and other inhospitable terrain.

The morale of a jawan (in any of the three services) is dependent on: The environment of his social circle -- friendly, hostile or indifferent. His comfort zone -- living conditions, food, recreation and leave. Security of his family back home.Most importantly, his self respect -- how he is viewed by his seniors and peers -- his status in society.His salary -- It affects his social status with his civilian counterparts and boosts his incentive to serve, even in difficult terrains.

Discipline has always been the cornerstone upon which is built the tradition name, fame, and valour of the armed forces. It is discipline that separates the rice from the chaff.

When the civil administration fails -- be it earthquakes, floods, riots, children stuck underground or any other
calamity, the armed forces always adorn the mantle of the savior and is considered to be the only reliable friend who is always available 24x7.

Why then have the standards of discipline gone down?
Let us examine the changing trends: Educational qualifications: The jawan is much more educated today. Minimum qualification required today is a Class 12 pass. The same qualification exists for an NDA officer's entry. The jawan does not hold the officer in awe any longer. He also has basic luxuries like cable television, a refrigerator, a motorcycle etc.

Probably, he may have appeared for the NDA exam and not been successful. He has had greater exposure than his father or grandfather, who also served in the armed forces.

Today he wants more! If not monitored correctly, frustrations levels will set in quicker than ever before. The Officer-Jawan relationship: Major General Henderson Brookes visited my platoon when I was a Second Lieutenant. "Do you know the names of all your men," he asked. I replied in the affirmative.

"Can you recognize each one from behind when they are wearing their helmets?" I truthfully replied that I would not be able to recognize them all.

Thereafter came his profound statement, "You must! That is all you will get to see in War!"

Wise words, which carry a lot of meaning. The Officer-Jawan bonding is definitely quite fragile today. An officer's tenure with the battalion: The average Infantry Officer spends about 50 per cent of his 20- to 23-year tenure outside the battalion doing professional courses and staff and instructional tenures. Today, the trend is for officers to take a two-year study leave and do management or other vocational courses, which will help him rehabilitate after retirement.

Remember, the average officer retires at the young old age of 52 to 54 years. To further compound matters, there is an acute shortage of officers and junior commissioned officers. The middle rung of officers is stretched to breaking point.

Stress levels are high. Hostile environments of insurgency operations, cross border infiltrations, etc, with a 'no mistake' tag attached are a very heavy responsibility on the officer's shoulders.
Commanders at all levels feel the stress. This aspect will have to be addressed if we wish to overcome lapses in discipline.

When you rub shoulders with your jawans, you bond with them. They know you, you know them. 'Know your men and they will follow you to hell and back. 'Family responsibilities: A jawan is still a teenager when he leaves his village/home to serve the country. He moves from Ladakh to the North-East, Manipur to Rajasthan [ Images ], Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ] to Chennai and so many other places, and is able to meet his family only once a year on annual leave.

His family has to fend for themselves almost at all times. Education of his children, medical care, electrical connections, water problems -- basic household matters that assume major proportions due to insurmountable hurdles caused by the callous attitude of the civil administration.

When officers of Lieutenant General rank have faced problems, one can just imagine what a jawan must be going through. Dwindling joint family systems, emphasis on sound education for children and educated, career-oriented wives are adding to the family responsibilities, which rest upon on a jawan's shoulders today.

Social values are rapidly changing. The officer and jawan are both part of the same society. There are always some rotten apples in the basket. These are more exceptions than the rule. The armed forces have a glorious past on which are based the traditions and values of a regiment or a battalion.

These traditions are engrained in both officers and jawans alike. 'Espirit de Corps' is very much alive and followed religiously. "Paltan Ki Izzat" still remains all-important. An officer or jawan even today is ready to shed his blood and make the supreme sacrifice for the regiment, for the country.

Nothing will change that. When the chips are down, the armed forces will always respond positively, effectively and swiftly. The enemy (internal or external) will be given a befitting reply always and every time.

Lessons from the past which still apply and must be learnt:
Bond with your jawans.Serve the battalion/regiment. Serve the jawans like they serve you. Ensure that the jawans get the same facilities and comfort that you enjoy. It is their lawful right. Give the jawans the respect that they duly deserve. Do not neglect them or turn them away. Take time out to know the men you command. Make an effort to know of their families, their villages, their problems. Address their problems. You will earn their love and respect eternally.Be a good, upright officer. Remember, reputation is more important than rank. Look after the jawan and there will be no question of indiscipline and falling standards of discipline.

Every Officer and anyone in the chain of command must not forget the motto of the National Defence Academy -- 'Service Before Self'. Remember the words of Field Marshal Sir Philip W Chetwood, written on the walls of Chetwood Hall at the Indian Military Academy. He places the jawan next in importance after the country.

Field Marshal Chetwood says, 'The honour, welfare and well being of your men come next always and every time. Your own welfare and well being comes last always and every time. Sometimes over the years, the meaning of these words fades away and is forgotten; that is when trouble can raise its ugly head.' (Courtesy Reddif.com)

By Lieutenant General B T Pandit (retd)
 
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