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divide Serbs and form new nation Bosniaks is his plan on how they can stop rebellion of Serbs against them in then occupied Bosnia
The Habsburgs were very experienced politicians, because they ruled the empire, in which German nation was an absolute minority.
The same thing they did with Western Ukraine. Until the end of the 19th century, all the locals called themselves "Rusyns" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns), and then, literally during one generation, Ukrainians appeared there. It was made before WW1 to reduce strong pro-Russian sentiments of the locals.
 
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Maybe my comment was off the cuff based on old memories from war days. I'll need to do some reading to get my facts right.

If you believe in shower presented by BBC, CNN , Fox news and similar then it is...

Should I believe in every word in BBC when they talk about Pakistan, I don't believe them because I use my brain to articulate and filtrate propaganda from true.

Today in Sarajevo there is less than 10 thousand of non Muslim Serbs from more than HUNDRED thousands that lived prior to war. And it was all about showering love. Strangely or not today in Sarajevo there is much of Saudis and Iranians then ever before in history.

As I sad it was tragic war for Serbs specially between Serbs Muslims and non Muslims they are blood brothers divided from outside using propaganda and financing warmongers.

I look at Serbs Muslims as my brothers and nothing can change that no BBC or other propaganda outlet.

Hapsburg general Oskar Potiorek with his plan how to rule Bosnia(divide Serbs and form new nation Bosniaks is his plan on how they can stop rebellion of Serbs against them in then occupied Bosnia) could be happy now. General Oskar Potiorek was Hasburg governor of Bosnia whom member of Serbian "Black Hand" society young Bosnia Serb Muslim Mehmedabasic planned to assassinate. Mehmedabasic worked together with Gavrilo Princip in same society.
Both of them are Serbs heroes and freedom fighters.
Serbs Muslims and non Muslims in Bosnia worked together in order to expel Hapsburg's so in order to prevent that Pocorek planed how to divide them and creating new Bosniak nation was his idea in other to achieve that goal.

I can just conclude if there is to stop foreign meddling we would be in peace and love and no showering from either side would exists.
 
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The Habsburgs were very experienced politicians, because they ruled the empire, in which German nation was an absolute minority.
The same thing they did with Western Ukraine. Until the end of the 19th century, all the locals called themselves "Rusyns", and then, literally during one generation, Ukrainians appeared there. It was made before WW1 to reduce strong pro-Russian sentiments of the locals.

When we talk about USSR and SFR Yugoslavia there is a few more points that links them together.

Fear of Communist that both main people either in USSR - Russians either in Yugoslavia - Serbians will become national self conciseness again and trow out communist governments has produced many new nations and draw-ed internal borders in case a future disintegration of states happens.

In Yugoslavia communist invented 3 more nations from Serbs:
1.Montenegro
2.Macedonian
3.Yugoslavian

They also separated Serbs into 5 main republics - future states with only one to have majorities.

But they were reasonable enough not to call Muslims a new nation because it is faith.

That communist plan and blind faith in brotherhood with other presumably Catholics South Slavs has costed Serbs once again in 1991. Yugoslavia has thus become biggest graveyard for Serbs and millions of Serbs have died in it or for it.

Not to mention Josip Broz Tito - half Slovenian half Croatian who has given to Croatia and Slovenia new territories immediately to WWII (not to mention industries and monopolies on internal joint market that has given later Slovenians and Croatians better standards then in Serbia) approved large new internal borders for them and even at end of WWII he has driven most Serbs Yugoslavia army in war with Italy about Trieste just to help his mainland Slovenia in which he later died(nobody ever noticed that his last wish was to die in country where hie was born and that had nothing to do with better medical facilities in Slovenia then in Belgrade like was presented to public for sake of unity of then Yugoslavia).

In USSR communist reinvented 2 more nation and in other to further support them they added a large portions of Russians or Rus people to them and given them big administrative districts(future border states):
1.Belorussians
2.Ukrainians

We could say that communist in both cases continued Hapsburg and German-Prussian policies in order to weaken main nations Serbs and Russians that formed countries and territories they were after.
 
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This is joke right? East europeans in general are most racist people despite their rather poor countries not getting any inmigrants.
 
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When we talk about USSR and SFR Yugoslavia there is a few more points that links them together.

Fear of Communist that both main people either in USSR - Russians either in Yugoslavia - Serbians will become national self conciseness again and trow out communist governments has produced many new nations and draw-ed internal borders in case a future disintegration of states happens.

In Yugoslavia communist invented 3 more nations from Serbs:
1.Montenegro
2.Macedonian
3.Yugoslavian

They also separated Serbs into 5 main republics - future states with only one to have majorities.

But they were reasonable enough not to call Muslims a new nation because it is faith.

That communist plan and blind faith in brotherhood with other presumably Catholics South Slavs has costed Serbs once again in 1991. Yugoslavia has thus become biggest graveyard for Serbs and millions of Serbs have died in it or for it.

Not to mention Josip Broz Tito - half Slovenian half Croatian who has given to Croatia and Slovenia new territories immediately to WWII (not to mention industries and monopolies on internal joint market that has given later Slovenians and Croatians better standards then in Serbia) approved large new internal borders for them and even at end of WWII he has driven most Serbs Yugoslavia army in war with Italy about Trieste just to help his mainland Slovenia in which he later died(nobody ever noticed that his last wish was to die in country where hie was born and that had nothing to do with better medical facilities in Slovenia then in Belgrade like was presented to public for sake of unity of then Yugoslavia).

In USSR communist reinvented 2 more nation and in other to further support them they added a large portions of Russians or Rus people to them and given them big administrative districts(future border states):
1.Belorussians
2.Ukrainians

We could say that communist in both cases continued Hapsburg and German-Prussian policies in order to weaken main nations Serbs and Russians that formed countries and territories they were after.
With all the achievements in science, industry and social standards, the Communists really had one unpleasant feature - the solution of national minorities problems at the expense of the state-forming nation. So, the West part of the USSR received much more subsidies, had priority in modernization of manufactures and infrustructure. The standard of living in the Russian Republic at the time was lower than in Ukraine or in Belarus.
 
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Tbh, Albanias from Albania, especially Christian Albanians, are in general far, far more racist than Serbians from Serbia. This is my impression. Even some employees of TİKA said in confidential conversations that Serbians usually treat them better than Albanians.

However, Serbian people from Bosnia are the most racist people of all Europe when it comes to interaction with Muslims.

The racist tendencies of the Serbian people (from Serbia) are kind of inconsistent and sometimes even strange in these days. On the one hand the young generation tend to be racist in political topics and opinions. On the other hand they won't be racist to individuals from groups which they reject in political terms. In fact, many Turks were positively suprised after they had visited Serbia.

Then again, the majority of Turkish people literally consider Bosniaks as their siblings. They will always side with them no matter what.

Thus, a real Serbian-Turkish friendship without the approval of the Bosniaks is effectively impossible. The 'Balkan lobby' (Turks of Albanian, Bulgarian, Bosnian, Greek, Romanian etc. origin) in Ankara, İstanbul and İzmir is extremely strong.

The situation in the Balkan region today is different and more complicated than it was in the 90s.
I went to Turkey by car this year, crossed throught Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.
Serbia was the best among them, you had Turkish signs everywhere, Hotels, Car repair, Gas stations with Halal food written in Turkish, the people were generally friendly saying ''goodbye Komshia'' etc.
Croatia was also not bad but worst was Bulgaria you could literally feel their hate towards Turks, espacially at border controls but lets not go into details.

Anyways, Serbia was a very positive experience to me, another good thing is the highway from Nis to Bulgaria should be finished in a couple years which make Serbia the most attractive route to Turkey for now. :)
 
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With all the achievements in science, industry and social standards, the Communists really had one unpleasant feature - the solution of national minorities problems at the expense of the state-forming nation. So, the West part of the USSR received much more subsidies, had priority in modernization of manufactures and infrustructure. The standard of living in the Russian Republic at the time was lower than in Ukraine or in Belarus.


More than 150 factories after WWII, most of them after 1948, where dismantlement from Serbia and moved to Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia under pretext of Soviet invasion and help to poor areas.

All industries owned by Serbs and their property was after 1945 confiscated and money gained from such behavior is used to finance new factories in Slovenia and Croatia. Immediate after WWII biggest tax collection was in Serbia and all money has gone to federal budget, but it was used disproportional to finance most Slovenia and Croatia which prior WWII was not developed in Kingdom of Yugoslavia in same level compared to Serbia.

From more then 150 factories moved from Serbia there was 5 airplane producers, two electronics producers, one artillery gun producer etc.

Small Socialist Slovenia in then Yugoslavia achieved to have 5 car factories (Cimos-Tomos - Citroen, Renault - IMV, TAM, and Avtomontaza) compared with 6 time bigger Serbia that had only 4: FAP, Zastava, IDA - Opel and Ikarbus.

Slovenia had in Yugoslavia two big electronics factories: Iskra and Gorenje
compared to one Ei Nis in Serbia.

Slovenia had built with federal money nuclear power plant, most of construction was done under supervision of Institute for nuclear physics Vinca from Serbia.

Two big steel factories were built in Slovenia compared to one in Serbia.

Magnitude of moving federal money to Slovenia was colossal.

And it was not just about money. They had market, most people of Yugoslavia were Serbs and factories from Slovenia had unlimited access to all territories where Serbs lived.

And Yugoslavia Peoples Army had bought most of trucks from Slovenia manufacturer TAM compared to Serbia FAP ratio was approximately 1 FAP for every 5 TAM vehicles if not worse.

After 1991 when market for Slovenian products on Serbs territories collapsed Slovenia had many factories closed. There is no more TAM and many others are only partial or on much smaller scale compared prior to destruction of Yugoslavia. Entering EU did not helped them at all because Germans, French, Italians and others were not obliged as Serbs under communism to have only offer from Slovenian factories which they only can buy.

In recent years people in Slovenia had strikes because of worse economy and bad condition for living. But they never sad a THANKS to Serbs who liberated them(starting with WWI when Vojvoda Stepa Stepanovic entered and liberated Ljubljana from Hapsburg) and financed their living more then 60 years.

Similar was with Bosnia who gained many factories from Serbia most of them were moved under territories were Croats or Muslims lived.

For example Artillery factories in Novi Travnik(today Bosnia and Herzegovina - federation part) was built by Serb workers from Zastava Kragujevac and all machinery used in what is today Zastava Arms to produce weapons of caliber greater then 30mm was moved from Serbia to that new factories in Bosnia and Herzegovina. More than 1000 workers from Serbia came to built that factory and among them was about 400 Zastava workers who then lived and trained domestic workers to take their seat.

And we are not petty people and in end we where glad to help but to accuse us of race or any other discrimination is criminal.

Most money and machines retrieved from Germany as a war reparations for WWII ended in Slovenia and Croatia even if it was for Serbs victims and Serbians factories reparation were mostly given.

It was all done under pretense that Serbia as most richest part of post WWII Yugoslavia must help underdeveloped regions and in some part further explained to protect Yugoslavia from Soviet invasions.

Interesting when communist talked about possible invasion of NATO from Italy and Austria not a single factories were moved out from Slovenia or Croatia. One of biggest steel mil in Slovenia is at border with Austria, and pretense for moving factories from Serbia is that they are to close to borders even if some of them were more than 200km from nearest border.

Many meeting with workers in Serbia were held in 1940's-50's under communist supervisions (communist commissaries) to explain need to move factories from Serbia to help our poor brothers and sisters in Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia prior moving them in order to prevent possible rebellions.

They all in Yugoslavia had thanked Serbs and Serbia later in 1991 with killing and prosecutions of Serbs.

Similar in USSR was between now Russia and now Belorussia and Ukraine.

For example immediately after WWII then Russian Antonov factories where moved from Russia(Novosibirsk) to Socialist Ukraine capital Kiev. And now most people thinks Antonov is from Ukraine.

Most of industry in Ukraine has collapsed similar to Slovenia after dissolution of USSR and what was hoped to be saved is now on verge of bankrupt when Russia after 2014 is no more enabling Ukraine free access to domestic market.

Very similar stories, for Serbs and Russians and in same time nobody ever thank them for their good deeds, but both sides are called many times bad for something that was neither Russian or Serbian doings - Stalin was a Georgian, Khrushchev Ukrainian and Josip Broz was for most part Slovenian.

Italians where vary hateful to Serbs for a long time after WWII until mid 1970's because they lost Istria to Slovenia and Dalmatia to Croatia.

Lesson learned from history is that never one nation has fared good when outsiders ruled them.

In China you could find similar within Qing dynasties period(they have lost Taiwan, Hong-Kong and many more, and Han people was taking blame and had millions of casualties for their foreign leaderships mistakes). Qing were Manchurian-Jurchen minority that ruled majority Han people.

Han people is real name for nation than most on west call China people - typical western language nonsense that is used to describe them and most common mistake today in most countries including mine. I try to educate people us much I can but for some it looks it is beyond their brain possibilities to make a difference in names of nations or shapes of people, not to talk about history.
 
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@peruni @DejanSRB @proka89

Guys, i really enjoyed reading your posts. Much different from the general BS spitting in this forum.

Are there any other forums that you are hanging ?

I was at historum for around two years, but becouse of some childish members i made a decision to leave them.
Defence.pk is only place on internet where I post.
 
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I went to Turkey by car this year, crossed throught Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia and Bulgaria.
Serbia was the best among them, you had Turkish signs everywhere, Hotels, Car repair, Gas stations with Halal food written in Turkish, the people were generally friendly saying ''goodbye Komshia'' etc.
Croatia was also not bad but worst was Bulgaria you could literally feel their hate towards Turks, espacially at border controls but lets not go into details.

Anyways, Serbia was a very positive experience to me, another good thing is the highway from Nis to Bulgaria should be finished in a couple years which make Serbia the most attractive route to Turkey for now. :)
Why do you think the Bulgarians hate Turks and the Serbs don't? Were the Ottoman policies towards them different?

Most of people of newly founded nation called Bosniaks are Serbs that changed faith to Muslim. There is Croats Muslims in smaller number and Muslims from mixed marriages between Serbs , Turks and Croats, but most of them are Serbs.

It was terrible that Muslims Serbs had war with Serbs of other or no faith. It was all provoked and financed from outside from 1991 to 1995 in order do prevent Serbs of having their constitutional right to live where they want(together in one land with other Serbs) and in order to rule it was easy thing to divide and warmongers did it successfully between Muslim Serbs and Serbs of other or no faith(many Serbs are atheist).

Even today there is Muslims (now called Bosniaks) who goes back to its roots and declare themselves again as Serbs of Orthodox or no faith or Serbs that now accept Muslim faith, nothing strange in Balkan for Serbs.

I think that in order to separate themselves as maximum they can from origin and ancestors Serbs Muslims in Bosnia have become racist towards Serbs and in order to find their new identity hatred was promoted that resulted now in a new nation. Of course there is Serbs of non Muslim faith that do not want to get closer with Muslims but we have lived in peace and had many mixed marriages until someone from outside has moved propaganda to start a war in 1991 and now is financing founding of new Bosniak nation - never recorded in history except in plans to divide Serbs.

There were many famous Serbs in history hat have become Muslims and served in Ottoman empire so in a way Turks and Serbs are also siblings.

Even a last manager of Ottoman Bosnia(before it was occupied by Hapsburg) was Serb called Omar Pasha and he was famous general in Ottoman Empire. Not to mention many Grand Viziers and other Serbs that accepted Muslim faith and was taken from their families under Devshrime during Ottoman Empire .

Today Bosnia-ks as a new nation still speaks Serbian language and writes Serbian language invented by Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic(Serb) using his rules - 30 letters - one voice one letter - and now struggle to find their past mostly by stealing some Muslim Serbs from history of Balkan and naming them Bosniaks.

If you ask some of them to take you to their grand grand parents gravestones you will find Serbian first and last names that differ from theirs now. If you took their DNK you will find that most of them have same DNK like Serbs.

I am speaking of this because all those rational and scientific fact are now on side and hatred exists mostly in them them towards other Serbs because someone from outside is still making them irrational only for some sole purpose of war between Muslims and other nations and not just Serbs.

Serbs in Bosnia are forgiving people and even there is a bad blood between Muslims Serbs and other Serbs if Muslims don't take them in mouth and start talk politics they will not speak any ill words towards them. As in any families you don't speak bad about brother unless he provokes you - right?

I hope that one day Serbs no matter faith or no faith will find peace and prosperity and again be one same great nation as they should be and that rationale in Serbs posterity will prevail in order to stop any future struggle and wars between brothers of different or no faith.
I also agree that "outside forces" were involved in stirring up ethnic and religious hate to "Balkanize" that part of the world. The Muslims there have been (mis)used by the Judeo-Christian Gog and Magog Zionist controlled NATO.

Never take help from NATO: they always makes things worse. And also be wary of Saudi and Iranian financing...they are corrupting the religion of Islam.

Have you listened to Sheikh Imran Hosein perchance?

Serbs not racist?

Did you not hear how Serbs killed that black guy in Greece after he was flirting/harrassing a Serbian waitress?

Have we forgotten what they did in the former Yugoslavia?
Flirting or harrassing? Then again what's the difference...If she likes you its flirting and if she doesn't its harassing?
 
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Why do you think the Bulgarians hate Turks and the Serbs don't? Were the Ottoman policies towards them different?
Cant really say who hates whom most :lol: it was just a first impression but there was ethnic conflicts between Bulgarins and Turks living in Bulgaria in recent history.
You should ask this to @Deliorman hes living in Bulgaria.
 
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Cant really say who hates whom most :lol: it was just a first impression but there was ethnic conflicts between Bulgarins and Turks living in Bulgaria in recent history.
You should ask this to @Deliorman hes living in Bulgaria.
thanks
 
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We are not racist, this map shows it.
Harvard is one of top three university in the world. So we should believe them.

The best proof for peaceful Serbs is the fact that Serbian man is most favourite husbands for following nation.

Russian ladies prefer Serbs as their third most popular husbands/boyfriends (after Russians and Ukrainians).
Hungarian ladies prefer Serbs second to Hungarian man.
There is more then 10.000 Albanian wifes, and more then 8.000 Albanian hookers that want to please Serbian working class population in brothels in South Serbia.
Croatians ladies cannot be separated with Serbs. They are in some special connection. My grandmom, was a Croatian married to a Serb. They are hundreds of thousends of them.
Bosniaks ladies dont want to grow in some unpleasant towns of Bosnia with no perspective. They are going to Belgrade for opportunity. They are many marriages between young Bosniak ladies with old rich Serbs in Belgrade which finance their dream (most often in singer career).

Back to the 90'. Foreign prostitutes was like some exotic "drugs". They was more then 80.000 foreign prostitutes in Serbia. (more then 90% of total number of prostitutes).
Nigerian, Vietnamese, Japanese ( most exocit ones)...they all worked here.
Racism dont have a place in Serbian hearts, only pure love and passion for all women of all nationalities and races all over the globe.

There are Vietnamese community in Serbia? I've never heard about it, as relationship between Vietnam and former Yugoslavia was not as good as with other East bloc countries. Can you elaborate more? How many Vietnamese living in Serbia, how did they come here and what they are doing?
 
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Serbs from my experience here in Sweden have generally been nice. Intensely proud and patriotic, but that doesn't make them racist per se. Just people who are very proud of their own identity. The violence and massacres in the Yugoslav wars also cannot really be termed as racial since all the parties involved belonged to the same "race" (croats, bosniaks, serbs).

I was at historum for around two years, but becouse of some childish members i made a decision to leave them.
Defence.pk is only place on internet where I post.

Are you by any chance Alcibiades? Am myself a semi-exile from historum due to as you said the number of childish members.
 
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