Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[GuardianRED]

Ya, we are both the laughing stock & the punching bag for every Tom, Dick & Harry.......We need more than just putting on a brave face here.....Btw, what the Australian reporter is doing is not strange at all, he is exploiting to the maximum his moment in the sun. He has the documents, we do not know what he has, he is going to tease this out.....This is a bit like Hillary Clinton's emails, every new day could bring new & unpleasant surprises.....the reporter controls the information flow....

Yes, Running around like Headless Chickens and then asking the cancel the deal is Alot better!

Not standing up to reports and reporters and allowing him to do what he wants, THATS WILL MAKE us A LAUGHING STOCK!

 

[halupridol]

From Shiv Aroor:

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/08/3-reasons-why-scorpeneleak-is-a-big-worry.html

3 Reasons Why #ScorpeneLeak Is A BIG Worry

Over the last 36 hours since the Scorpene Leak scandal broke, plenty has been said about the nature of the leak and its potential impact on Indian submarine operations and deployments. The Indian Navy has set up a top-level inquiry team to investigate the leak. India has also unequivocally put the onus on France, officially declaring that the leak for was from ‘foreign source’. In the mean time, government officials have sought to play down the impact of the leak, both officially and otherwise. Among the things being said: the leaked documents are technical manuals, are outdated, don’t constitute sensitive information and don’t pertain to India’s Scorpenes alone. An MoD official has also been quoted as saying there is no cause for worry. Handling an explosive situation where the Indian government has clearly been blindsided by the leak is one thing. But to brush the leak aside and recognise it for anything other than a devastating breach is to ensure that it happens again. Here now is a list of three reasons why the Scorpene Leak scandal is the most serious non-conflict cause for worry the Indian military has faced in a long time.

1. The fact that officially controlled/restricted documents of any kind pertaining to strategic platforms have found their way into the public domain itself is the principal cause for alarm. Documentation and literature running into many thousands of pages are restricted for several reasons — tactical, strategic, economic and commercial. A leak establishes that the system on the Scorpene programme has holes. Period. That hole is now the centerpiece of two separate investigations in India and France. That hole has no place in a $3 billion transaction that was underscored by an integrity pact. That hole has no place in an enormously complex programme that looks to shore up critical force levels in one of India’s most crucial combat arms.
2. Indian Navy submariners (both serving and retired) are unanimously alarmed. A serving Lieutenant Commander I spoke to, currently deployed on a Kilo-class boat, said, “We’ve seen some of the pages that are out there. But we don’t know what else is out there. Until we know, we have to assume the worst. That’s how the submarine service works.” Nothing truer. The Indian Navy itself, in its official statement today, perplexingly pointed to the redacted documents published by The Australian, as if the Australian newspaper/website is the source of the leak. The truth is, at this stage, the Indian Navy and government aren’t fully clear about what’s been leaked. It’s a metaphor that reflects submarine operations perfectly: what isn’t known could sink you.
3. But there’s something much more fundamental about the leak that isn’t being recognised as much as it probably should. A second submariner I spoke to illustrated the point in the gritty way submariners do. He provided me with the following scenario: “Imagine you’re sent into a large hall full of silent people and ordered to track down a particular person. You don’t know their name, what they look like, what they sound like. Now imagine being sent into that same room with a photograph of the person, a voice sample. How much sooner would you find the person?” He admits that’s a simplistic example, but he says it conveys a very fundamental message about submarine operations. In a world of darkness and silence, the smallest glimmer of light or sound is actionable data, information that helps decisions, speeds up processes, helps evasion and tracking. 22,000 pages that reportedly cover everything from the Scorpene’s vulnerabilities to its frequencies to its acoustic profiles sounds like a “nightmare” in the submariner’s words. I asked him to list the possible nature of data compromised in the leak. His list: propulsion and cavitation data, acoustics at ultra-slow speed, combat system acoustics, drive turbine sound profile, shifting sonar profile during rapid dive, frequencies at snorkling and shallow depth, acoustic dynamics shift between shallow stationary float and snorkeling depth. Conversations in media and within the Navy wonder if technical manuals and specifications of submarine platforms really provide any fodder to adversaries. I quote, once again, a submariner: “We don’t know what’s out there. And, yes.”

mehh,,,shiv aroor knows nothing,,,only screwdriver manuals leaked,,nothng important written on those20K+ pages,,,its economic war on france,,,our scorpene stronk,,,now lets buy rafale

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

@PARIKRAMA This is a bit confusing for me. Brazilians are shelling out 9.5 Billion USD for Scorpenes to the French , yet the 3 billion USD Indian deal is being made bigger/getting highlighted .

Is it because the deal with Brazil has already happened but the stakes (P75I ) are higher here and a particular group is also trying to use this "Indian loss " for benefit of a particular party in Australia ?


One more thing , on the leak.... my pigeon didn't comment on Indian deal , but said that Russians sent a similar " Advertisement " for Algerian Armed forces when they were marketing them T90 and Flankers , and it too had data about performances of the tank in various test conditions, its advantages, comparisons with T72, a field servicing manual , etc .

Could these 22000 pages here be something similar ?


One thing is quite clear , if it's about technology getting copied and getting reproduced else where, it does not affect Indian Navy operations directly.

 

[Indrajit]

Yes, Running around like Headless Chickens and then asking the cancel the deal is Alot better!

Not standing up to reports and reporters and allowing him to do what he wants, THATS WILL MAKE us A LAUGHING STOCK!

Why so defensive? Who has talked about cancelling the deal at this point? As of now, we are running around like headless chickens because we don't know what else is out there. The reporter is not the problem, your focus is lopsided. The reporter is doing his job, what should worry us is who else has access to the information & how much. There are people who have much bigger budgets to purchase information than any newspaper, it is what they have their hands on that should worry us. The reporter & his paper have done us a favour, the uncomfortable situation not withstanding. Without them, we may never have known how deep the leak was. The newspaper & the reporter are the least of our problems.

 

[GuardianRED]

Why so defensive? Who has talked about cancelling the deal at this point? As of now, we are running around like headless chickens because we don't know what else is out there. The reporter is not the problem, your focus is lopsided. The reporter is doing his job, what should worry us is who else has access to the information & how much. There are people who have much bigger budgets to purchase information than any newspaper, it is what they have their hands on that should worry us. The reporter & his paper have done us a favour, the uncomfortable situation not withstanding. Without them, we may never have known how deep the leak was. The newspaper & the reporter are the least of our problems.

WOW
Where in the Job Description does it say that a reporter is doing is job by releasing restrictive documents in a public forum where EVERYONE can access it and THAT Can also harm his Own country's forces and their Readiness and that's a GOOD THING!!?

Isn't it better that he just report it and pass all the information to the right authority and have the leak investigated

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

https://twitter.com/x/status/768816634094088192

 

[egodoc222]

Son, do you work in defence industry?

No.....I'm a defence enthusiast....!
It's a forum for everyone. No?
You can correct me if I'm wrong...but don't have to be rude about it!!

 

[Indrajit]

WOW
Where in the Job Description does it say that a reporter is doing is job by releasing restrictive documents in a public forum where EVERYONE can access it and THAT Can also harm his Own country's forces and their Readiness and that's a GOOD THING!!?

Isn't it better that he just report it and pass all the information to the right authority and have the leak investigated

Maybe on whatever planet you live on, most reporters will do what this one has. You still though have got it wrong, what the reporter puts out is a small issue, the fact that this information is available means that parties with far more resources might have already got their hands on it and it they who pose the bigger challenge.

 

[GuardianRED]

Maybe on whatever planet you live on, most reporters will do what this one has. You still though have got it wrong, what the reporter puts out is a small issue, the fact that this information is available means that parties with far more resources might have already got their hands on it and it they who pose the bigger challenge.

And u are so naive to still think THATS a Good thing that the reporter is doing! Check the link with the Good Reporter works like

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.geraldo/

'He gave away the big picture stuff'

 

[Indrajit]

And u are so naive to still think THATS a Good thing that the reporter is doing! Check the link with the Good Reporter works like

Good..? Bad...? Get real..!. This exists, so we must deal with it. Period.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Indian submarine documents stolen, not leaked - French source


Aug 25 Documents relating to Indian submarines were stolen from French naval contractor DCNS and not leaked, a French government source said on Thursday, adding that the information published so far showed only operational aspects of the submarines.

India and France have opened investigations after The Australian newspaper published on Wednesday documents about its Scorpene submarines being built in India.

"It is not a leak, it is theft," the source said. "We have not found any DCNS negligence, but we have identified some dishonesty by an individual."

The source said the documents looked to have been stolen in 2011 by a former French employee that had been fired while providing training in India on the use of the submarines.

The documents were not classified and at this stage appeared to only focus on the operational elements of the submarines, the source said. (Reporting By Cyril Altmeyer; writing by John Irish; editing by Richard Lough)


http://www.reuters.com/article/france-submarines-theft-idUSL8N1B63PD

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@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Nilgiri @GuardianRED @Vergennes @Ankit Kumar 002 @Spectre @hellfire @MilSpec @nair @others

 

[Indrajit]

"It is not a leak, it is theft," the source said.

The fact is this is just a distinction without a difference. How does it matter? The end result is the same. As far as absolving DCNS, how does it? Whether theft or leak, DCNS is the source. If this guy stole this in 2011 & DCNS knew it but didn't tell the Indian side, that would rate as a very big breach of trust.

In any case, why should anyone believe the self serving story put out by DCNS sources. Just like the Indian MoD, they have good reasons to protect their own backsides. Bucket of salt it is.....

 

[ashok321]

Scorpene project: Stung by scandals since its inception

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-since-its-inception/articleshow/53851129.cms

 

[Hellfire]

@PARIKRAMA yeah i saw it on an australian newspaper.

It is being pointed as a case of sabotaging australian deal, australia itself has said that indian leaks are also outdated

 

[BON PLAN]

@PARIKRAMA

But with network centric integration, a surfaced Kilo can technically access world wide web and post a rebuttal to your comment of being able to track him ...

He will say hello and challenge you to find him...bloody cheeky sods they are

A Kilo crew, even in surface, has a lot of other things to do than reading a newspaper....