See a famous photo from 1989 Tiananmen Square ... but story changed, truth or lie ?

[Dungeness]

LOL. That's a very Western specialty: Unquestionably believing that everyone else is brainwashed.

Better ignore the troll...

Besides accepting whatever so called "mainstream media" want them to know, they are unable/unwilling to find other side of the story. Maybe because of lack of foreign language capability?

 

[TaiShang]

Besides accepting whatever so called "mainstream media" want them to know, they are unable/unwilling to find other side of the story. Maybe because of lack of foreign language capability?

They badly lack language capability as the rest of the world tend to study their not so complicated language. This makes them believe that truth is what they are fed by their media and politicians.

Hence we have Trumps, Fiorinas and Hillaries. And these are the smartest of the bunch.

 

[Dungeness]

What the?? It didn't win a Pulitzer...more Communist brainwashing. A finalist maybe but not a winner.


1990 Photo Staff The Tribune, Oakland, CA
For photographs of devastation caused by the Bay Area earthquake of October 17, 1989.

[too graphic to post]
1989 Ron Olshwanger, free-lance photographer
For a picture published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch of a firefighter giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a child pulled from a burning building.

You are right, the photo did not win the Pulitze Prize. The photo made Widener a finalist for the 1990 Pulitzer Prize. You want to be careful about your tendency of abusing the word "brianwash".

 

[Jlaw]

That's very Western; which only understands the language of power.

As long as they hold the upper hand, they will dictate their own opinion through consent-based and, if not working, punitive measures.

Once they are eclipsed in power, they turn right-wing fascists.

Just like Europe. The Liberals are turning into right wing extremists, lol

 

[tranquilium]

It's really funny to listen to American politics. These guys are so far out there, you wonder how the **** they ever got to where they are?
I guess they were born lucky to be white in this era. That will change in 2030 though.

American rising is combination of several factors. Geography is perhaps the most important factor where the protection of ocean allowed America to stay away from the colonial era conflict. The massacre of the natives and enslavement of the minorities also created a twisted sort of unity which its European counterpart parts lacks. At the end of the day, it is plain bigger than the European nations who failed to transform colonies into full fledged core territories. The Federal government was also stronger in the past, but flowing capital into US in the past six decades has created powerful business elites which grew strong enough to form lobbies that divided power away the Federal government, hence why the state of US infrastructure is in decline and the huge central debt problem despite the country is considerably richer day. Race actually plays very little to this, considering Eastern Europe is full of Caucasians and it certainly isn't doing well.

 

[Jlaw]

American rising is combination of several factors. Geography is perhaps the most important factor where the protection of ocean allowed America to stay away from the colonial era conflict. The massacre of the natives and enslavement of the minorities also created a twisted sort of unity which its European counterpart parts lacks. At the end of the day, it is plain bigger than the European nations who failed to transform colonies into full fledged core territories. The Federal government was also stronger in the past, but flowing capital into US in the past six decades has created powerful business elites which grew strong enough to form lobbies that divided power away the Federal government, hence why the state of US infrastructure is in decline and the huge central debt problem despite the country is considerably richer day. Race actually plays very little to this, considering Eastern Europe is full of Caucasians and it certainly isn't doing well.

Eastern Europe isn't exactly the white white. They are more nigga white if there is such a term. I agree with you US is being run by the elites behind the scenes.

 

[tranquilium]

some of the people here are missing the forest for a tree.the point is not if the man was crushed it never was.

the point is Chinese rolled their tanks to crush the demonstration against the Chinese govt.

and again crushing dsnt mean literally crushing people with the tanks.(for people who will take the meaning literally)

Yeah and India's record is so good:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/04/18/world/asia/ap-as-kashmir-protest.html?_r=0

Like I said, considering how USSR, Ukraine and varies nations who underwent "democratic reforms" did in the past few decades, China made the exact right response at the time.

Red herring. I remember the photo described as a lone act of defiance but I don't ever recall anyone claiming the tank crushed him.

I recall a sharp division between the Chinese students that arrived in America before and after Tiananmen. The ones that came before followed international news and Chinese chat rooms avidly. They had no doubt what happened. The ones that arrived after either wouldn't talk about it or denied everything - one even claimed to have been there and smilingly declared that "nothing happened."

No, to me the definitive images of 1989 weren't these tanks, but the Goddess of Democracy and a photo in The Economist of a bloodied dead Chinese man in the Square wearing a spotless Chinese Army uniform and cap - very clumsy propaganda, that. Eventually the ruling Communists dropped the claim that the students attacked the PLA, right?

Nah, I have photos of unarmed PLA soldier being burnt alive prior to tank mobilization. It is rather graphic, so I won't post them here, but check out this link:

Let´s Talk About Tiananmen Square, 1989 My Hearsay is Better Than Your |
nsnbc international

Today the Tiananmen square event is recognized as a sham and the so-called student leaders can recognized as traitors who sent out other students to die for their personal gain. The reason is actually rather simple----passage of time has shown the truth. The success of China today and disastrous failures of all the nations that embraced the supposedly "democratic" color revolution is pretty hard to argue. Those student leader's later exploits and actions also destroyed what little credibility they have left. At the end of the day, the "democratic" group can shout and promise all they want, the reality is that China made the right decision at the right time and took the appropriate action to ensure its continued prosperity.

I would admit, electoral democracy has a certain lure and mystique when viewed from a distance by the inexperienced, but like a lot of students spending time in US, listening to exactly what is happening in these elections and various cock ups disillusions people pretty quickly. Sometimes I felt Americans can be pretty masochistic. In the sense that they prefer to live with failure caused by their own decision rather than success cause by other people's decision. In contrast, the Chinese like success first and if it is success due to the leadership of others, then so be it. I have no problem with cultures having different philosophies, but personally I like success the most.

 

[kasper95]

Yeah and India's record is so good:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/04/18/world/asia/ap-as-kashmir-protest.html?_r=0

Like I said, considering how USSR, Ukraine and varies nations who underwent "democratic reforms" did in the past few decades, China made the exact right response at the time.



Nah, I have photos of unarmed PLA soldier being burnt alive prior to tank mobilization. It is rather graphic, so I won't post them here, but check out this link:

Let´s Talk About Tiananmen Square, 1989 My Hearsay is Better Than Your |
nsnbc international

Today the Tiananmen square event is recognized as a sham and the so-called student leaders can recognized as traitors who sent out other students to die for their personal gain. The reason is actually rather simple----passage of time has shown the truth. The success of China today and disastrous failures of all the nations that embraced the supposedly "democratic" color revolution is pretty hard to argue. Those student leader's later exploits and actions also destroyed what little credibility they have left. At the end of the day, the "democratic" group can shout and promise all they want, the reality is that China made the right decision at the right time and took the appropriate action to ensure its continued prosperity.

I would admit, electoral democracy has a certain lure and mystique when viewed from a distance by the inexperienced, but like a lot of students spending time in US, listening to exactly what is happening in these elections and various cock ups disillusions people pretty quickly. Sometimes I felt Americans can be pretty masochistic. In the sense that they prefer to live with failure caused by their own decision rather than success cause by other people's decision. In contrast, the Chinese like success first and if it is success due to the leadership of others, then so be it. I have no problem with cultures having different philosophies, but personally I like success the most.

what was the point of opening the thread it was started based on an assumption that the world belives that the single man standing in front of the tank was crushed .

 

[tranquilium]

what was the point of opening the thread it was started based on an assumption that the world belives that the single man standing in front of the tank was crushed .

Because it is a refutation of the misguided belief that these color revolutions or "democratic" reforms is actually good anyone. From national security point of view, your competitors throwing itself to chaos and decline is good, but some of the ordinary citizens actually believed that it is acting to the benefit of the target nation, this is rather far from the truth.

 

[rcrmj]

you just said the western media has been portraying the guy was crushed by a tank. if you can back this up with proof that would be nice.

for more than a decade that I've lived in the West, any talks related to that incident, and frankly all of them believed that man was 'crushed' by the tank```thats how the media works, proof or no proof, the western propaganda has done an amazing job on this, as simple as that```

saying western media is impartial is virtually saying that self-centered westerners have no agenda

 

[HongWu002]

Please find an article from a major Western news outlet that says "Tank Man" was squished by a tank.

We are all waiting......if you can't find one you will have to admit it was the Chinese media that has lied to you saying we believe he was run over.

1998 BBC News | Asia-Pacific | Tiananmen 'tank man' still at large

Please be more objective. Google Tiananmen, student and crush yourself. The Western media telling people that students were crushed by tanks will lead people to believe the tank man image depicted such a student. Even if they do not directly say the man in the image was crushed moments later. It is suggestive.

Caught red-handed!

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Please be more objective. Google Tiananmen, student and crush yourself. The Western media telling people that students were crushed by tanks will lead people to believe the tank man image depicted such a student. Even if they do not directly say the man in the image was crushed moments later. It is suggestive.

Caught red-handed!

Now you are contradicting the point of the OP. (Which basically said Western media portrays the man in front of the tank as being moments from tank doom...yet pictures show he was taken away. I said Western media never portrayed him as being a victim of the tanks. It is more of a symbol of defiance not death).

 

[jkroo]

Anyone can point out the relationship of following things? And how it works?

main stream media - propagenda - 'brainwash'.

 

[Solomon2]

Even if they do not directly say the man in the image was crushed moments later. It is suggestive.

The thought never entered my mind. Until yesterday I never heard such a thing suggested, either by Americans or by Chinese.

What has happened, then, is a change in how Chinese minds like your own process "suggestive" images. Most likely this is due to some sort of parallel experience of yours, either in fiction or real life. Somebody posted a story a few days ago about how many Chinese drivers nowadays prefer to make sure their traffic accidents die rather than let them live with their injuries - do you think that has something to do with it?

 

[gambit]

The thought never entered my mind. Until yesterday I never heard such a thing suggested, either by Americans or by Chinese.

What has happened, then, is a change in how Chinese minds like your own process "suggestive" images. Most likely this is due to some sort of parallel experience of yours, either in fiction or real life. Somebody posted a story a few days ago about how many Chinese drivers nowadays prefer to make sure their traffic accidents die rather than let them live with their injuries - do you think that has something to do with it?

That is funny.