Secularism and civilization won in Syria

[T-123456]

The so-called Islamists have nothing to do with real Islam. They are just creations of NATO governments who are invited to join the fight in any Muslim-majority socialist country. This was what happened in Libya and Syria in 2011.

Assad and his allies are doing great. May they finish all the NATO-created terrorists.

@GiannKall @T-123456

So,why didnt they even once tried to finish the YPG,also a NATO(except Türkiye) ally?

 

[jamahir]

What is interesting (I did not know about it earlier till I read more) is that Assad belongs to a sect of Islam that is even closer to Zoroastrianism than normal Shiism is.

The Alewi ??

I had once watched a youtube interview of a young Syrian man who explained the connection. I will try to find that out.

He definitely does not look Arab by any stretch.

Cheers, Doc

I think "Arab" is a loosely used word. Syrians, Copts, North Africans, Sudanese, Iraqis, the Chaush in our own Hyderabad, Palestinians etc all sit under the "Arab" umbrella.

 

[padamchen]

The Alewi ??

I had once watched a youtube interview of a young Syrian man who explained the connection. I will try to find that out.



I think "Arab" is a loosely used word. Syrians, Copts, North Africans, Sudanese, Iraqis, the Chaush in our own Hyderabad, Palestinians etc all sit under the "Arab" umbrella.

Yup. Alewite. Is a branch of Shia Islam that is influenced by Christianity (which is influenced strongly by Judaism and Zoroastrianism in predating order) and Zoroastrianism.

Cheers, Doc

 

[T-123456]

The Kurds will eventually carve out a significant chunk of Syria. And Iraq.

You really dont know much about the situation,this will never last long.
My country is already shelling YPG positions east of the Euphrate river,why do you think this is happening?

 

[padamchen]

You really dont know much about the situation,this will never last long.
My country is already shelling YPG positions east of the Euphrate river,why do you think this is happening?

They have fought you (a NATO power) for 30 years.

Cheers, Doc

 

[T-123456]

I mean like Iraq and Syria had a similar political system ( the Ba'ath movement ). The Kurds have no such thing. This will lead to fights within even if they manage to carve out a homeland.

That is correct.

But if you don't support Erdogan ( your anti-"Islamist" statement ) but you want to throw all Assad-supporting progressive Turks into prison, what is your political position??

Most of these so called progressive Turks in prison are either Feto or PKK supporters,only a fraction is anti Erdogan(they will be released eventually),the government came to the conclusion that all secularists should and will be released from prison.

 

[jamahir]

So,why didnt they even once tried to finish the YPG,also a NATO(except Türkiye) ally?

I will reply to that. Give me some time.

Most of these so called progressive Turks in prison are either Feto or PKK supporters,only a fraction is anti Erdogan(they will be released eventually),the government came to the conclusion that all secularists should and will be released from prison.

I remember a Turkish group called "Progressive Lawyers Association" that in 2011 had protested Turkey's involvement in the NATO war against the Syrian government.

And what about the bombing in Ankara in 2015 ?? The AKP government was blamed for this. The people who had gathered at the spot of the bombing were not Gulen supporters but they I think were supportive of the idea that PKK needs to be brought into the mainstream.

 

[T-123456]

There is also the Kurdish National Council or the KNC which is a coalition of those Syrian Kurdish parties not aligned with the PYD/YPG. It is supported by Iraqi Barzani's KDP and is member of the main Syrian opposition alliance, the Syrian National Coalition.

Let me explain,

The KNC is the head of all these Kurdish factions,
The PKK/YPG PUK KDP PEJAK and all other Kurdish organisations are a part of the KNC,however,the KDP and the PUK resist to this leadership,thats why the KRG is against unification with the Rojava YPG/PKK held territories(all about oil and power).
Then there are the Yezidis,they hate all others,tight community,if not attacked they dont care for anyone but them selves.

They have fought you (a NATO power) for 30 years.

Cheers, Doc

Yes terrorist bombings and hideous attacks on our soldiers after which they into their caves,in those days we didnt have means to smoke the rats out of their caves but now we do,we kill these rats every day now.
Btw,the PKK has killed more Kurds then Turks in all those years.

I remember a Turkish group called "Progressive Lawyers Association" that in 2011 had protested Turkey's involvement in the NATO war against the Syrian government.

PKK and Feto supporters,all counting sheep in prison now.

And what about the bombing in Ankara in 2015 ?? The AKP government was blamed for this. The people who had gathered at the spot of the bombing were not Gulen supporters but they I think were supportive of the idea that PKK needs to be brought into the mainstream.

A terror bombing,its easy to blame everything on Erdogan.
A terrorist was caught in Syria and brought to my country,linked to Syrian intelligence,he confessed.

 

[padamchen]

Let me explain,

The KNC is the head of all these Kurdish factions,
The PKK/YPG PUK KDP PEJAK and all other Kurdish organisations are a part of the KNC,however,the KDP and the PUK resist to this leadership,thats why the KRG is against unification with the Rojava YPG/PKK held territories(all about oil and power).
Then there are the Yezidis,they hate all others,tight community,if not attacked they dont care for anyone but them selves.

Yes terrorist bombings and hideous attacks on our soldiers after which they into their caves,in those days we didnt have means to smoke the rats out of their caves but now we do,we kill these rats every day now.
Btw,the PKK has killed more Kurds then Turks in all those years.

I don't live there. You guys do. I'm still learning. And I'll read more. Me and @jamahir have religious and ideological interests so we are even on this thread. Most Indians would be least interested. And India does not have the muscle or the will or the guts currently to piss off the Arabs and the Iranians in an effort to meddle in the region and fish in troubled waters, in the hope of power projection into West Asia and the oil.

Otherwise an oil rich Zoroastrian Kurdistan smack dab in the middle of the middle east (Iraq KRG), with ideological and spiritual loyalty to the Indian theological and spiritual fountainhead in the form of the Parsi community makes perfect sense to an increasingly Hindu India.

I do not see Iran and Turkey affected. You are too big and too stable politically and powerful militarily.

But Iraq and Syria do not exist anymore. Not as nation states. They are even worse off than Afghanistan when you come to think of their borders and territorial integrity and the writ of the central power center over the land as a whole.

For all intents and purposes the Kurdish fighters and the territory they hold are independent nations in their own right.

A declaration and recognition is the logical next step.

They do not have to be one big Kurdistan. There could very well be 2 or even 3 separate nation states.

They are after all the 4th largest ethnic group in the ME after the Arabs the Persians and the Turks. 40 million is not a small number by any stretch.

I do not see either Syria or Iraq wresting those areas back. Or even trying to.

How do YOU see things panning out?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Nein]

Let me explain,

The KNC is the head of all these Kurdish factions,
The PKK/YPG PUK KDP PEJAK and all other Kurdish organisations are a part of the KNC,however,the KDP and the PUK resist to this leadership,thats why the KRG is against unification with the Rojava YPG/PKK held territories(all about oil and power).
Then there are the Yezidis,they hate all others,tight community,if not attacked they dont care for anyone but them selves.


Yes terrorist bombings and hideous attacks on our soldiers after which they into their caves,in those days we didnt have means to smoke the rats out of their caves but now we do,we kill these rats every day now.
Btw,the PKK has killed more Kurds then Turks in all those years.


PKK and Feto supporters,all counting sheep in prison now.


A terror bombing,its easy to blame everything on Erdogan.
A terrorist was caught in Syria and brought to my country,linked to Syrian intelligence,he confessed.

Assax crime family not just supported pkk and housed their leaders they even supported asala.

Assad crime family has a lot to pay for I hope Turkey punishes them.

 

[T-123456]

I don't live there. You guys do. I'm still learning. And I'll read more. Me and @jamahir have religious and ideological interests so we are even on this thread. Most Indians would be least interested. And India does not have the muscle or the will or the guts currently to piss off the Arabs and the Iranians in an effort to meddle in the region and fish in troubled waters, in the hope of power projection into West Asia and the oil.

Otherwise an oil rich Zoroastrian Kurdistan smack dab in the middle of the middle east (Iraq KRG), with ideological and spiritual loyalty to the Indian theological and spiritual fountainhead in the form of the Parsi community makes perfect sense to an increasingly Hindu India.

I do not see Iran and Turkey affected. You are too big and too stable politically and powerful militarily.

But Iraq and Syria do not exist anymore. Not as nation states. They are even worse off than Afghanistan when you come to think of their borders and territorial integrity and the writ of the central power center over the land as a whole.

For all intents and purposes the Kurdish fighters and the territory they hold are independent nations in their own right.

A declaration and recognition is the logical next step.

They do not have to be one big Kurdistan. There could very well be 2 or even 3 separate nation states.

They are after all the 4th largest ethnic group in the ME after the Arabs the Persians and the Turks. 40 million is not a small number by any stretch.

I do not see either Syria or Iraq wresting those areas back. Or even trying to.

How do YOU see things panning out?

Cheers, Doc

There is this ME project of the US/Israel and GCC side,

Carve a chunk out of the Mespotamia(Iraq,Syria and Türkiye) cake,create a new state to keep Türkiye and Iran in check and in the future cut these two countries into smaller countries,the goal is to have a base to start from.
As you can see the plan is working,rapprochement from Israel with the Gulf states is a part of this,they will form a block against us.
ISIS was created as the reason to come to this point(the way in).
The problem is Putin but im sure they will persuade him eventually to stay out of it.
As you can see,its not about the Kurds,nobody cares for them,they are just used as tools.
Trust me,its bigger then you think.

 

[padamchen]

There is this ME project of the US/Israel and GCC side,

Carve a chunk out of the Mespotamia(Iraq,Syria and Türkiye) cake,create a new state to keep Türkiye and Iran in check and in the future cut these two countries into smaller countries,the goal is to have a base to start from.
As you can see the plan is working,rapprochement from Israel with the Gulf states is a part of this,they will form a block against us.
ISIS was created as the reason to come to this point(the way in).
The problem is Putin but im sure they will persuade him eventually to stay out of it.
As you can see,its not about the Kurds,nobody cares for them,they are just used as tools.
Trust me,its bigger then you think.

The Arabs and Jews are blood brothers.

No Persian had or has any illusions on this score.

I'm surprised you're surprised.

Cheers, Doc

 

[T-123456]

The Arabs and Jews are blood brothers.

No Persian had or has any illusions on this score.

I'm surprised you're surprised.

Cheers, Doc

Im never surprised,just wanted to show you the reality.

 

[padamchen]

Im never surprised,just wanted to show you the reality.

I've seen the map of the plan you refer to many years ago on this very forum and another.

Cheers, Doc

 

[T-123456]

I've seen the map of the plan you refer to many years ago on this very forum and another.

Cheers, Doc

So did my goverment,it could have been avoided years ago,makes one wonder why didnt take any measures then.