Secret Iranian Nuclear Bombs

[Zabaniyah]

First, we don't "own" Israel... they are a sovereign nation, have their own secrets, and don't need our permission.

How odd, usually it's "Israel owns the USA!!" but here it's "The USA owns Israel." Neither is true.

As far as announcing nukes or not, let's look at what a nation gains by having proven stocks... they gain massive deterrence. I don't buy the ambiguity argument. If I am dictator of Northern "Bavatania" and I hate South Bavatania... and I have a huge army, I might be tempted to invade. If the South has known stocks of powerful nuclear missiles, it deters me. But if they are ambiguous, and I think they are bluffing, it's more likely that I'll call their bluff and invade. That would be bad for both N and S Bavatania.

Here's an interesting thing:

It was in 1969 that Israeli PM Golda Meir and President Nixon who agreed that Israel would maintain opacity. That is: Israel would neither declare or deny that it has nuclear weapons. This was done in exchange with American tacit approval. This happened during a one-to-one meeting between them.
Should Israel declare its Nuclear Arsenal? | Center for Strategic and International Studies

The Israeli leaders have at best indirectly hinted that they have nukes. Never official. That way, they do let their Arab opponents know that they have nukes. And America simply honors that agreement made way back in the late 60s.

But then, why the bias?

Why give a hard time to countries like India, Pakistan, North Korea and now Iran? They have their own secrets and they develop them by themselves with some help from "friends".

I am even hearing my next door neighbor, Myanmar is developing nukes. Does that mean I should do the same?

Anyways, Israel starting the process of developing nukes was a long time ago, and it was easier to go for nukes at that time.

I just think they didn't want to face any opposition from blocks that can potentially oppose certain states like Israel having nuclear weapons. There's a difference between officially declaring them and maintaining opacity, and it matters.

It makes it more difficult for organizations like IAEA or any country to put Israel as a target. And of-course, it is a small country surrounded by states with hostile intentions.

And unlike India and Pakistan, they never faced any sanctions.

Would Iran adopt such a similar approach even in face of Western opposition and even more sanctions? Yes.

Would the Saudis potentially do the same? Unfortunately yes.

And if you ask me, I'd support a nuke-free Middle East. And even for my neighborhood.

Damn, those Jews are smart "><

 

[Chogy]

Not a bad argument at all. Obviously the game is enormously complicated.

People HATE nukes... I'll tell you something I hate even more, and that is chemical warfare and weapons like GB, VX, Sarin, and other organophosphates. It's easy to see the damage a nuke does, and condemn it... but since serious nerve agent attacks between opposing militaries has never really occurred, all we can do is imagine. And I'll flatly state that I'd rather be nuked than sprayed like a cockroach.

These agents are so toxic that a tiny pinpoint on skin will have you convulsing and foaming at the mouth, and dead, in 10 minutes. Remember the outcry over the "neutron bomb?" This was a nuke designed to kill, not flatten cities. A small nuke with an amplified neutron wave that cooks people but leaves infrastructure behind. It was rightly condemned. Yet nerve agents are very similar in that you spray the enemy, or their cities, come back in a couple of weeks, and the nerve agent is dissipated. Clean out the corpses and occupy.

While you cannot pack the same destructive force in a given volume using nerve agents, they are still very scary weapons. I guess the reason I thought of this was the odd emphasis on the horrors of nukes, and chemical and biological warfare kind of slide right by in peoples' minds.

 

[Arian]

Not a bad argument at all. Obviously the game is enormously complicated.

People HATE nukes... I'll tell you something I hate even more, and that is chemical warfare and weapons like GB, VX, Sarin, and other organophosphates. It's easy to see the damage a nuke does, and condemn it... but since serious nerve agent attacks between opposing militaries has never really occurred, all we can do is imagine. And I'll flatly state that I'd rather be nuked than sprayed like a cockroach.

These agents are so toxic that a tiny pinpoint on skin will have you convulsing and foaming at the mouth, and dead, in 10 minutes. Remember the outcry over the "neutron bomb?" This was a nuke designed to kill, not flatten cities. A small nuke with an amplified neutron wave that cooks people but leaves infrastructure behind. It was rightly condemned. Yet nerve agents are very similar in that you spray the enemy, or their cities, come back in a couple of weeks, and the nerve agent is dissipated. Clean out the corpses and occupy.

While you cannot pack the same destructive force in a given volume using nerve agents, they are still very scary weapons. I guess the reason I thought of this was the odd emphasis on the horrors of nukes, and chemical and biological warfare kind of slide right by in peoples' minds.

It's due to your ignorance and lack of information that you think serious nerve agent attacks have never really occurred. more than 100,000 Iranian soldiers were gassed by the Iraqi forces in the Iraq-Iran war by chemical weapons like VX,G-series (GB(Sarin), Cyclosarin,Tabun), ... and still many Iranian soldiers are suffering from the consequences of chemical warfare, like leukemia, various other types of cancers, respiratory problems, etc.

 

[regular]

I guess Iran don't even need Nukes cuz the use of the Nukes is against the humanity and Iran respect human principles. Unlike the West who have no human values or principles but their own evil racial Zionistic/Satanic/Luciferian goals....

 

[Zabaniyah]

Not a bad argument at all. Obviously the game is enormously complicated.

People HATE nukes... I'll tell you something I hate even more, and that is chemical warfare and weapons like GB, VX, Sarin, and other organophosphates. It's easy to see the damage a nuke does, and condemn it... but since serious nerve agent attacks between opposing militaries has never really occurred, all we can do is imagine. And I'll flatly state that I'd rather be nuked than sprayed like a cockroach.

These agents are so toxic that a tiny pinpoint on skin will have you convulsing and foaming at the mouth, and dead, in 10 minutes. Remember the outcry over the "neutron bomb?" This was a nuke designed to kill, not flatten cities. A small nuke with an amplified neutron wave that cooks people but leaves infrastructure behind. It was rightly condemned. Yet nerve agents are very similar in that you spray the enemy, or their cities, come back in a couple of weeks, and the nerve agent is dissipated. Clean out the corpses and occupy.

While you cannot pack the same destructive force in a given volume using nerve agents, they are still very scary weapons. I guess the reason I thought of this was the odd emphasis on the horrors of nukes, and chemical and biological warfare kind of slide right by in peoples' minds.

Use of chemical weapons is a cheap strategy in my opinion.

Israel apparently has a big stockpile of chemical based weapons.

I mean, it's weird. At first some guy fakes data about Iraq's WMDs, and no one gave a damn about whatever Iran was up to. And all the USA did was to finish the Gulf War based on a poor plan and backed with exaggerated data.

And for the past three decades, the USA never touched Iran.

And now we are beginning to see a nuclear Iran.

Man, it's just weird.

 

[Arian]

Use of chemical weapons is a cheap strategy in my opinion.

Israel apparently has a big stockpile of chemical based weapons.

I mean, it's weird. At first some guy fakes data about Iraq's WMDs, and no one gave a damn about whatever Iran was up to. And all the USA did was to finish the Gulf War based on a poor plan and backed with exaggerated data.

And for the past three decades, the USA never touched Iran.

And now we are beginning to see a nuclear Iran.

Man, it's just weird.

the USA and the world owe a big apology to Iran for their silence on the Iraqi use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iranian "CIVILIANS". Also, Iran ratified the CW convention in 1990's and destroyed its stockpile of chemical weapons. As a moral gesture, Iran has never produced any types of weapons of mass destruction (Chemical/Biological/Nuclear) while Iran has advanced chemical industry, including textile industry and also pharmaceutical industry. Also, Iran has one of the world's most active and advanced stem cell and modern biology programs that enable Iran to produce chemical/biological weapons anytime it wishes.

So, STFU.

 

[Zabaniyah]

the USA and the world owe a big apology to Iran for their silence on the Iraqi use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iranian "CIVILIANS". Also, Iran ratified the CW convention in 1990's and destroyed its stockpile of chemical weapons. As a moral gesture, Iran has never produced any types of weapons of mass destruction (Chemical/Biological/Nuclear) while Iran has advanced chemical industry, including textile industry and also pharmaceutical industry. Also, Iran has one of the world's most active and advanced stem cell and modern biology programs that enable Iran to produce chemical/biological weapons anytime it wishes.

So, STFU.

I understand your despise of chemical weapons.

And in fact, I was questioning the USA, not your country. I feel they should also apologize for shooting down Iran Air Flight 655.

I, like many others are under the impression that your country is going for nuclear weapons. Why would the UN watchdog state that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? And if Iran was indeed working for specifically for civilian purposes, why all the fuss from the West?

I do not question Iran's R&D capabilities. If it hadn't been under sanctions, it would have been an industrialized nation by now. It is by far done well for third world country standards, especially in the field of genetic research.

Any country can easily develop textiles and pharmaceutical industries. Even with limited resources. It's no biggy.

And technically, if you can deploy chemical weapons (that is if you wanted to), so can the Americans. Hell, even India can do that.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

Why would the UN watchdog state that Iran is developing nuclear weapons?

Because they are instructed to claim that by US. They dont care if there are zero evidence, same as happened with Husein's WMD, or Gaddafi's 'genocide' which never happened. UNSC and IAEA are just a tools for several powerful countries to extend their influence.

And if Iran was indeed working for specifically for civilian purposes, why all the fuss from the West?

Iran doesnt have the fuss with the West, its West who has a 'fuss' with disobedient Iran. Even if Iran would scrap nuclear programs completely and throw all centrifuges into the ocean, sanctions wont be lifted anyway, West wants to change Iran's regime to puppets. Nuclear program is just an excuse, if it wouldnt be it, it would be something else. Not like West needs a real reason, they can invent fakes reasons just fine.

 

[somebozo]

These articles are of same value as Saddam had WMD or Osama attacked USA.

Assembling and operating nuclear warheads is a complicated task and there is no mentioned of where the Iranian scientist got this training or whether they have conducted their cold test. They couldn't even figure out that Pakistan has duped them with some generation old centrifuge design for millions of dollars! Secondly, war heads cannot be bought simply from Kazakistan over land or air route and then slapped on to some missles. That is overly simplistic. Actually the warhead need to communicate with missle control system to be effective..

And thirdly, of the west knew about Iranian nuclear program why are they making so much noise about it now?? Some kind of complicity between the Ayatollahs and the Zionists?

For the west to interfere in Iran, they will simply invent any reason or logic for it. If not nuclear weapons it could be for regime change, democracy, peoples rights, socialist influences, etc etc..anything they please...for their goal is world hegemony and nothing else!

Iran having nuclear weapons is not an issue..that is infact a good thing..Iran has been suffering at the hands of colonials for a long time. It was even invaded during WW2 just to secure the fuel supply lines even though Shah had no objections to guranteeing fuel. Iran sees nuclear weapons as a deterrence against hegemonic Europe. But I also wish that the control of those weapons will be in the hand of sensible people not the usual "Tehran Trolls".

 

[Zabaniyah]

Because they are instructed to claim that by US. They dont care if there are zero evidence, same as happened with Husein's WMD, or Gaddafi's 'genocide' which never happened. UNSC and IAEA are just a tools for several powerful countries to extend their influence.

Well, the UN weapons inspectors did say that Iraq's WMDs were no more. It was the US who claimed that Iraq had WMDs.

Couldn't say much for now. But, this world really can't afford another war front.

Iran doesnt have the fuss with the West, its West who has a 'fuss' with disobedient Iran. Even if Iran would scrap nuclear programs completely and throw all centrifuges into the ocean, sanctions wont be lifted anyway, West wants to change Iran's regime to puppets. Nuclear program is just an excuse, if it wouldnt be it, it would be something else. Not like West needs a real reason, they can invent fakes reasons just fine.

That is true.

If the West are indeed intending to have Iran as "puppets", they should understand that the Cold War ended long ago. They should be happy that the USSR fell.

The Americans need to get over this. How they view and treat Iran now is just backward thinking.

And as far as terrorism go, let's remember that Iran did offer assistance against the Taliban. In fact, they almost went to war with one another.

Bush responded by listing Iran as one of the "Axis of Evil".

And they say Iran and Muslims are backward

 

[Arian]

I understand your despise of chemical weapons.

And in fact, I was questioning the USA, not your country. I feel they should also apologize for shooting down Iran Air Flight 655.

I, like many others are under the impression that your country is going for nuclear weapons. Why would the UN watchdog state that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? And if Iran was indeed working for specifically for civilian purposes, why all the fuss from the West?

I do not question Iran's R&D capabilities. If it hadn't been under sanctions, it would have been an industrialized nation by now. It is by far done well for third world country standards, especially in the field of genetic research.

Any country can easily develop textiles and pharmaceutical industries. Even with limited resources. It's no biggy.

And technically, if you can deploy chemical weapons (that is if you wanted to), so can the Americans. Hell, even India can do that.

Yes, any country could develop textile and pharmaceutical industries if they import the raw materials. I don't talk about textile industry now 'cause I don't know much about it, but in case of pharmaceutical industries, there's a BIG difference between importing raw materials and producing basic/primitive drugs like acetaminophen, and having a research program with producing raw materials inside your country. I said Iran had an 'advanced' pharmaceutical industry, that means Iran has invested in this industry and does research in it and produces over 90% of the drugs that are consumed inside Iran. the university of Tehran has a pretty large library of herbs and it does extensive research about their properties. Iran also produces world-class vaccines for export as well.
You probably know that purifying around 100 grams of Clostridium botulinum toxin can kill almost all of the people living in North America! Biological weapons are even dirtier and more dangerous than chemical weapons and if you ask me, as the world progresses in nanotechnology and stem cell research, we'll see wars that are like in movies and sci-fictions. I mean you produce a virus made in a laboratory, you produce its vaccine and inject it to your soldiers and then you drop tens of biological bombs containing that virus on your enemies. Iran has an advanced stem cell research and nanotechnology, that enables Iran to produce, at least, some basic biological weapons. let alone chemical weapons.

Iran's nuclear program is only a diversion of the public opinion from other global issues if you ask me.But I just want to give you a food for thought that you need to research about it. Does Iran have finger prints to assemble a nuclear warhead? I'll tell you yes. Where it has gained such information from? Russia, Pakistan, and even the USA. I'll explain more if you want.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Muhamad A Baradi has had his hands burnt re Iraqi evidence so he has always been very careful with his judgement regarding the Iranian nuclear plant and has complained about quality of the supposed evidence.

Mostly this evidence revolves around a laptop that the Americans claimed they got back in 93 which contained all the secret treasure cove about the Iranian secret plan.

Looking at the allegations you can cross check what has been claimed in the past and there is nothing new except that some American characters have changed in US government and its friendly US media which is touting this &#8220;new&#8221; evidence as further proof of American nuclear weapons ambition.

Couple it with the alleged plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador that story died away and you see a deliberate and continuous American drive to sell its intention to Invade Iran as the only viable option. Iran&#8217;s request in the past to have that so called treasure cove inspected by a neutral 3rd party has been rejected by the Americans too.

but Americans are consistent and very loud in their accusations and this constant propaganda bombardment means that they are able to form the public opinion in their favour.

Robert Kelley the former IAEA director maintains that there is no much false and exaggerated documentation about the Iranian nuclear program that it has been extremely hard to separate truth from falsehood. And the fact that IAEA is bound by UN which intern is pretty much handicapped and bound by the American will makes its impartiality a big question mark. The current IAEA leadership has never kept its pro-US stance a secret which makes this issue even more explosive and might be used as an endorsement to invade Iran.

Saudis are also playing their part in this current escalation of the political tension without bothering to realise the regional consequences which can have dire effect to their own kingdom. While they have never bothered to deny their possible involvement in the assassinations of various Iranian nuclear scientists which Iran has accused on USA and Israel but also have been involved in supporting the Sunni insurgents in Iraq to dilute the possible Iranian influence on Shia Iraqi leader Al Maliki and it that wasn&#8217;t enough they are also known to have been arming the dissidents in Syria which has an Iranian friendly regime while sending their own troops to brutally crush the Behrians Arabian spring.

The situation can explode into an all out American invasion as soon as the Western media will broadcast an alleged Iranian involvement in an attack on its troops or fleet in the Persian Gulf or any of its interests and by the time reporter will be finishing his or her sentence we might be shown the F-18s taking off from the aircraft careers.
As far as Europe is concerned, if America will ask UK to jump then it will only ask how high. The only possible opposition to a military assault will be from Germany and/ or France. The only viable force that can stop Americans to attack yet another country in the region is Russia which might have to be very blunt and assertive in stopping Americans from attacking. The test is also on the brinkmanship of the Iranians that need to give up the rhetoric and talk substance and show reason. Strangely the world&#8217;s most articulate, smart and fluent speaker and the most powerful leader is very quiet. Once again the Dogs of War in America seem to be running the show.

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

i wonder when is IAEA is going to inspect Israels Nuclear facilities or American and British or other nations that demand only Muslim nations nuclear facilities be inspected oh wait That will Expose western hypocrisy.

IAEA will inspect israel's nuclear facilities when IAEA= Iranian Atomic Energy Association...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not a bad argument at all. Obviously the game is enormously complicated.

People HATE nukes... I'll tell you something I hate even more, and that is chemical warfare and weapons like GB, VX, Sarin, and other organophosphates. It's easy to see the damage a nuke does, and condemn it... but since serious nerve agent attacks between opposing militaries has never really occurred, all we can do is imagine. And I'll flatly state that I'd rather be nuked than sprayed like a cockroach.

These agents are so toxic that a tiny pinpoint on skin will have you convulsing and foaming at the mouth, and dead, in 10 minutes. Remember the outcry over the "neutron bomb?" This was a nuke designed to kill, not flatten cities. A small nuke with an amplified neutron wave that cooks people but leaves infrastructure behind. It was rightly condemned. Yet nerve agents are very similar in that you spray the enemy, or their cities, come back in a couple of weeks, and the nerve agent is dissipated. Clean out the corpses and occupy.

While you cannot pack the same destructive force in a given volume using nerve agents, they are still very scary weapons. I guess the reason I thought of this was the odd emphasis on the horrors of nukes, and chemical and biological warfare kind of slide right by in peoples' minds.

you remind me the time of the 80s.. there was an Afghan refugee who had apparently escaped a Russian attack on the convey to Pakistan. he was brought very seriously ill, conditions unknown. But what is known is that everyone who attended him in the forward clinic including medics, the Pakistani doctor and the person who brought him died along with the patient due to unexplained phenomenon. It was blamed on some contamination of the equipment that was used on the patient. Such was the doze of the virus or chemical that whoever came in contact with that ill Afghan or that machinery died within days or later. I knew it because my father had his air defence battery deployed in khyber agency at that time and story was local.
This story maybe buried under the archives never to be seen again.

But I understand what you are saying and I have seen half baked bodies of the Mujahideen due to Napalm or other chemicals.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Iran's nuclear program is only a diversion of the public opinion from other global issues if you ask me.But I just want to give you a food for thought that you need to research about it. Does Iran have finger prints to assemble a nuclear warhead? I'll tell you yes. Where it has gained such information from? Russia, Pakistan, and even the USA. I'll explain more if you want.

I won't dispute the rest of the content you've said. Iran and Turkey are some of the most advanced nations in the Muslim World.

Fingerprints to develop a nuclear warhead? Interesting. Russia and Pakistan? It's possible.

But USA? Can you explain that? Or are they remnants from the Shah era? Was he ever interested in acquiring nukes?