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These are flying tanks, bro.

F-35 is based on entirely different set-of-materials to ensure VLO.

Declassified bits suggest that Israeli F-35 have been active over Syrian airspace for numerous missions but no outsider have a clue about the purpose of these missions yet. No proof or indication of these Jets being noticed over Syrian airspace at any point in time. The only time an Israeli F-35 received attention was when it was flying over Lebanon with radar-relectors and its transponder being active. VLO is legit.
Yes it is legit...but that utilization has to be very good as well.. serbia F-117 shootdown(well planned and a matter of things falling in place) shows that it is still doable to bring a vlo jet down.

Regarding coming back, the idea of that image with the A-10 is that damage is relative and it just depends where and what gets hit.
 
Thats wing commander Nouman Ali khan and he got a haircut
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That's him alright, but that was during the first Red Flag we were invited to in 2010 (Nevada). So he's aged, lost hair & put on a few pounds, i'd say.

The second Red Flag we were invited to was in Alaska.
 
You were saying?
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Brrrryttt!
To be honest, A-10 is a special case aircraft. Jet fighters normally cant take a hit and make it back, esp as their engines are right next to each other. This aircraft by design is more survivable.
 
To be honest, A-10 is a special case aircraft. Jet fighters normally cant take a hit and make it back, esp as their engines are right next to each other. This aircraft by design is more survivable.
Have a look at this Myanmar Airforce Q.5 which was hit by a Manpad and still made it back.
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That's him alright, but that was during the first Red Flag we were invited to in 2010 (Nevada). So he's aged, lost hair & put on a few pounds, i'd say.

The second Red Flag we were invited to was in Alaska.
Negative about the second Red Flag. The second Red Flag detachment was also at Nellis.
 
Yes it is legit...but that utilization has to be very good as well.. serbia F-117 shootdown(well planned and a matter of things falling in place) shows that it is still doable to bring a vlo jet down.

Regarding coming back, the idea of that image with the A-10 is that damage is relative and it just depends where and what gets hit.
Your points are sound, but where is the proof that a SAM struck an Israeli F-35 during the course of one of its sorties over Syrian airspace? Nothing concrete in our hands unfortunately.

This happened: https://www.timesofisrael.com/storks-hit-f-35-sending-stealth-jet-to-garage/

F-35 did not suffer damage in the incident involving two storks, but this wouldn't be the case with a SAM in the picture.

Any SAM is expected to be armed with a warhead, and even an impact of limited-scale can trigger warhead explosion which will be sufficient to damage target aircraft beyond the point of recovery and/or force it to land prematurely.

Recommended: https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-it-that-an-Israeli-F-35I-was-shot-down-by-a-Soviet-era-A2A

A-10's frame is ARMORED / REINFORCED to large extent; this aircraft is designed to be visible on the front lines to destroy armored columns and handle punishment if need be. Of-course A-10 pilots are not expected to be reckless regardless, but you get the picture.

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F-117 is 1st generation LO design but F-35 is 3rd generation VLO design - lot of difference in the capabilities of these two birds on the whole. Although F-117 is still cutting-edge for majority of countries, but advancements in this domain are continous since. Serbians had the luxury to study Persian Gulf War (1991) and devise contingencies against potential onslaught from NATO. Although Serbians defenses scored some decent hits [a], they failed to accomplish anything significant against USAF and disrupt its operations over Serbian airspace otherwise (thousands of sorties in total). Serbian's achievement in bringing down an F-117 is an OUTLIER INCIDENT because these birds executed hundreds of sorties over Serbian airspace throughout the course of war without another incident otherwise.

Some good articles in relation to understanding the capabilities of F-35, and to connect relevant dots.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-russia-china-radar-counter-stealth-2017-5

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...t-of-the-f-35-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/

[3] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...y-it-produced-training-challenges-pilot-says/

Syrian defenses are decent per Asian standards, and Damascus in particular, is undeniably among the most heavily guarded locations on Earth, but still...

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Even the mighty S-400 system cannot notice F-35 until it is too late.

Israeli strike operations over Syria appear to be well-planned and executed on average due to Russian activities and Syrian defenses in the picture, and this is why Israeli losses are minimum in these adventures. Nevertheless, distant observers do not have a clue about when, where and how Israel have utilized its F-35 aircraft over Syrian airspace thus far because these missions are largely classified, and VLO works as advertised.

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[a] https://thevelvetrocket.com/2013/03/03/american-aircraft-shot-down-by-serbia-in-1999/

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Sometimes a bird strike is just a bird strike. However, I am surprised how easily people can be misled these days.
 
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Have a look at this Myanmar Airforce Q.5 which was hit by a Manpad and still made it back.View attachment 550169
Now see this.

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That is an AIM-120 variant, and this class of missile is equipped with an 18 – 22.7 KG warhead (blast fragmentation type).

And do you see the possibility of securing a lock on an F-35 with a manpad?
 
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As per ARY news there was a brefing today by army officals to media persons and they named the second PAF pilot.

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Edit: Pic Added as found on twitter

I cannot confirm just found it on twitter : Chief Of Air Staff Congratulates Wing Commander Nauman Ali Khan Who Shot Down 5th Generation Indian Aircraft Sukhoi SU-30 MKI By PAF JF-17 Thunder
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Look carefully who was the pilot on 23rd March when the Air Chief was in the Navogator's seat.

Apparently the Indian Chief was paying full attention, and thus his butt hurt remarks.

It was WC Nauman !
 
Your points are sound, but where is the proof that a SAM struck an Israeli F-35 during the course of one of its sorties over Syrian airspace? Nothing concrete in our hands unfortunately.

This happened: https://www.timesofisrael.com/storks-hit-f-35-sending-stealth-jet-to-garage/

F-35 did not suffer damage in the incident involving two storks, but this wouldn't be the case with a SAM in the picture.

Any SAM is expected to be armed with a warhead, and even an impact of limited-scale can trigger warhead explosion which will be sufficient to damage target aircraft beyond the point of recovery and/or force it to land prematurely.

Recommended: https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-it-that-an-Israeli-F-35I-was-shot-down-by-a-Soviet-era-A2A

A-10's frame is ARMORED / REINFORCED to large extent; this aircraft is designed to be visible on the front lines to destroy armored columns and handle punishment if need be. Of-course A-10 pilots are not expected to be reckless regardless, but you get the picture.

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F-117 is 1st generation LO design but F-35 is 3rd generation VLO design - lot of difference in the capabilities of these two birds on the whole. Although F-117 is still cutting-edge for majority of countries, but advancements in this domain are continous since. Serbians had the luxury to study Persian Gulf War (1991) and devise contingencies against potential onslaught from NATO. Although Serbians defenses scored some decent hits [a], they failed to accomplish anything significant against USAF and disrupt its operations over Serbian airspace otherwise (thousands of sorties in total). Serbian's achievement in bringing down an F-117 is an OUTLIER INCIDENT because these birds executed hundreds of sorties over Serbian airspace throughout the course of war without another incident otherwise.

Some good articles in relation to understanding the capabilities of F-35, and to connect relevant dots.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-russia-china-radar-counter-stealth-2017-5

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...t-of-the-f-35-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/

[3] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...y-it-produced-training-challenges-pilot-says/

Syrian defenses are decent per Asian standards, and Damascus in particular, is undeniably among the most heavily guarded locations on Earth, but still...

main-qimg-906b54f9203a72f8502901634fc8e074


Even the mighty S-400 system cannot notice F-35 until it is too late.

Israeli strike operations over Syria appear to be well-planned and executed on average due to Russian activities and Syrian defenses in the picture, and this is why Israeli losses are minimum in these adventures. Nevertheless, distant observers do not have a clue about when, where and how Israel have utilized its F-35 aircraft over Syrian airspace thus far because these missions are largely classified, and VLO works as advertised.

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[a] https://thevelvetrocket.com/2013/03/03/american-aircraft-shot-down-by-serbia-in-1999/

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Sometimes a bird strike is just a bird strike. However, I am surprised how easily people can be misled these days.
At no point I am referring to the Israeli F-35 being hit but that both VLO is capable of being compromised and that aircraft can make it back with some damage depending upon wherw the explosion happens.
 
At no point I am referring to the Israeli F-35 being hit but that both VLO is capable of being compromised and that aircraft can make it back with some damage depending upon wherw the explosion happens.

Exceptionally difficult and ambitious task.
 

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