Second Hand F-16's for PAF

[mdcp]

We must not buy second hand junk, just keep spending of jf17 and j10

 

[Viper0011.]

Not surprising for me.
That's a fact that you simply can't accept, but IAF had BVR capability back then with at least 4 different fighter types, that's what the F16s MLU now will get as well, but they still lack modern agile IR missiles, they lack modern passive sensors, they lack capable EW systems..., so the general capability improvement of PAFs F 16s is limited to BVR and precision strike => the same capability IAF had in 1999!

You are missing the point and just being someone from the Indian community as usual. IAF could've had the BVR in 1980's... What does that matter in this case? The scenario is, defending Pakistani skies with AMRAAM and AIM9x capability with 80-100
mile BVR. When defending Pakistani skies with 60 vs. 120 F-16's .....you don't see a difference???? I am not sure how to make you further realized how silly your statement is. This scenario has nothing to do with IAF's capability in 1999 or 1980. It is a matter of proven F-16 defending Pakistani skies in large numbers vs. small numbers. Large number MEANS more resistant to incoming hostile aircraft, more kills and better air defense. And just so you know, the US has ONLY stripped out sensitive technologies that are VERY proprietary to the US ONLY. Doesn't mean the've put an engine, mediocre radar , and a few missiles on a chasis called the F-16. That's a silly and very dangerous assumption. Hope that you are not in the IAF in a strategic role. You might get a lot of your jets downed under these assumptions. The F-16 B-52 version given to Pakistan is pretty much the same compared to what the US uses. The DRFM were stripped out and a couple of other components. Which Pakistan then went and bought from OTHER US companies. The idea was to not let the same tech out that the US uses internally.

LOL, my biased fanboy. Unlike you, I pointed out the capability PAFs F16s has, mainly compared to the Chinese origin fighters they have, or might get. Because they clearly offer way more capabilities and tactical advantages to PAF than the F16s.
With an open mind you would see it as well, because you would see what kind of versions and what capability PAFs F16s have, compared to most modern F16s version in other air forces. As long as you don't do that, you obviously can't come to real conlcusions, but only to your childish calculations and theories.

No need to further waste my time.

You are pulling content out of your as*s and you don't want to further discuss it as it's "wasting your time" when you are writing crap from oblivion??
Here's the reality, the PAF's F-16 are one of the top technologies in the region. Better than anything the PAF currently has. The JFT has a lot of advantages also. BUT it's a long term strategic asset and it is STILL being integrated and weaponized. So later, it'll give the PAF a punch due to it being 'indigenous' and all and less sanction proof, open architecture to integrate weapons, etc, etc. BUT...short term, like RIGHT NOW, the F-16 provides the biggest and the safest bang for the buck. Provides very credible defensive capability. Look at it this way, it is under service with over 30 air forces (both NATO and non NATO). Some of which went with open tenders and tested everything from Su-27, Su-30 to Mirages to Rafale....but they still went with F-16 B52 and 60's. Including Israel (SUFA). Now that speaks for the capability this jet has even right this second. Enuff said !!!! You can cheap out on other things but your defense or even at a smaller level, your home security. You'll always pay more attention to saving your life. So if many countries outside of NATO have chosen the F-16 over a range of other French and Russian options....there is a reason for them to feel safe!!!

 

[muse]

Here's the reality, the PAF's F-16 are one of the top technologies in the region. Better than anything the PAF currently has

Just try using that capability without Unkil's say so - and you'll have "reality" --- Is unkil really interested in defending Pakistani skies?

 

[Viper0011.]

Orangzeib.

WHEN WILL, you get into your brain THAT USA and PAKISTAN are no longer LONG TERM allays.

WHEN WILL you learn that USA has its NOSE right up the rear of INDIA.S arse.

120 F16 are sanction prone.

AND YES currently there is a USA/ISRAELI/INDIA nexus & its growing

10 years AGO there was not a single bullet from USA in the indian arnmed forces

today there is the follwing
jet engines for TEJAS general electric

apache helos gun ships

USA is no longer the sole ally of Pakistan THEY HAVE A NEW BULWARK against china and that is INDIA your enemy

YOUR F16s are going to be sanctioned threatened

Thank you for your super strange and out of the topic post.
I am VERY WELL aware of the consequences we'll have to deal with since we outsourced 13 million of American jobs to people who'll use the US and abuse the US. No worries there. Everyone knows who's nose's been up who's as*s since the 90's to get jobs outsourced. So don't portray more than you are worth. The US wanted a hedge against the Chinese and that's why you guys were 'picked'. The 'US, Israeli and Indian' nexus....no such thing exists. Tomorrow, if the Pakistanis have a over a couple of trillion dollar economy, there will be a nexus there too, or even Sri Lanka or anyone for that matter. US and Israel will always want to make money. A guy who has money in a savings account is always a good customer.
In fact, Israel's mentioned to Pakistan (and they are already working with Turkey) on defense cooperation. So please get out of your mighty India cage and take a look at the sky.
Btw, let me break news to you. The US and the Indian labor dependency is slowing down. The companies have become VERY aware of the dirty tactics played by the Indian community. Two days ago, I was told in a meeting by a CEO of a company that he wanted his labor to be free of the Indian influence. I hope you can read between the lines. I've heard this a lot recently. Before you challenge me, check your H1B case numbers and how many have been sent home and how the process has gotten super strict, both by the Immigration and by the internal US citizens first. Something that your fellow Indians destroyed and violated, even knowing that it was the United States law. But you abused it.
Last, thanks for posting some fancy pictures. Please pay 20% of our revenue back to us by purchasing our defense products. This is our money that we gave you with either investments or through outsourcing 13 million jobs to India and laid off the American labor. Btw, you are not a BULWARK. LOL, a country where over 500 million people don't have a proper bed to sleep on.....is a BULWARK. Nice. You are a mere hedge. Nothing more.

 

[monitor]

We must not buy second hand junk, just keep spending of jf17 and j10

No with MLU this junk is better then brand new FC-20 /JF-17 of your inventory as its mature Platform and you are well known about its capability for 30 years.

 

[muse]

What ever they may be - lets focus on reality - all the capability in the world is of no use to anybody, if they cannot use it - isn't this so?

Be reasonable, lets move on to building a new PAF -- One that is more independent, one that has a greater contribution from Pakistani industry and labor

with MLU this junk is better then brand new FC-20 /JF-17 of your inventory as its mature Platform and you are well known about its capability for 30 years.

Presumably 50 years it will be more mature and we'll know it even better??? And that's helpful, how??

 

[Storm Force]

orangzeib.

Mr STARS STRIPES of pakistani origin THE USA aint lifting a FINGER to help you.

THOSE F16s you crave x 120 IS NOT HAPPENING

you have to defend your SKIES with chinease STUFF which most of you dont TRUST TO DO JOB.

YOU CANT buy hi END WESTERN EUROPEAN WEAPONS becase YOUR breadbasket GDP AND tiny miiniscule defence budget. will not allow this .. AND THEY arent giving yiou SOFT LOANS like china

YOUR LEFT WITH jf17 & POSSIBLE A handful of FC20

YOUR HOPING FOR USA TO DONATE/ GRANT AID YOU F16

hence THIS THREAD

 

[mdcp]

Sanctions, restriction, maintenance cost for old scrap and promoting own product which is brand new and can last another couple of decades

 

[Edevelop]

Screw F-16s. Focus on JF-17 and J-10.

 

[Najam Khan]

orangzeib.

Mr STARS STRIPES of pakistani origin THE USA aint lifting a FINGER to help you.

THOSE F16s you crave x 120 IS NOT HAPPENING

you have to defend your SKIES with chinease STUFF which most of you dont TRUST TO DO JOB.

Since your post is directed to orangzaib, I will leave the rest of post for him.

Only one correction, the views of people on "Chinese stuff" is mostly based on house-hold Chinese items they have experienced. Quality standards on such items (which generally came with very low price tag) are poor and such products are supposed to have small life.

But when you put this in bigger picture, then cost and requirements of the buyer goes high; they request supplier (Chinese in this case) to put in more effort, more quality and customize their product to meet buyer's requirement.

In that case; the quality and standards improve leading to much safer and long-term deals. Take the example of F-7Ps in PAF; when they arrived they had Chinese ejection seats, not-much good radars, avionics and EW suite. With passage of time, PAF improved its basic design by introducing some third party modules/systems in it. Now even after 24 years of service they are giving good output. The F-7PG is even modified to carry BVRs, so thats significant improvement in an aircraft that is fullfilling an interceptor role.

 

[Storm Force]

NAJAM.

There is nothing wrong with CHINEASE FIGHTERS be it JF17 @ $20M EACH or FC20 @ $35M EACH.

You will get bang for VERY SMALL bucks $$$

A VERY CHEAP & EFFICENT WAY TO MODERNISE a very large air force.

2nd hand F16s ARE ALSO A GOOD OPTION BUT WE ALL KNOW USA wil put massive restrictions on their use and wil hardball on maintenance & servcing if they think you are being anti USA INTERESTS

unfortunately A HEALTHY HAPPY INDIA is in USA interests. HENCE F16 ot any USA hardware is a risk for PAF/ARMY/NAVY

 

[Donatello]

Since your post is directed to orangzaib, I will leave the rest of post for him.

Only one correction, the views of people on "Chinese stuff" is mostly based on house-hold Chinese items they have experienced. Quality standards on such items (which generally came with very low price tag) are poor and such products are supposed to have small life.

But when you put this in bigger picture, then cost and requirements of the buyer goes high; they request supplier (Chinese in this case) to put in more effort, more quality and customize their product to meet buyer's requirement.

In that case; the quality and standards improve leading to much safer and long-term deals. Take the example of F-7Ps in PAF; when they arrived they had Chinese ejection seats, not-much good radars, avionics and EW suite. With passage of time, PAF improved its basic design by introducing some third party modules/systems in it. Now even after 24 years of service they are giving good output. The F-7PG is even modified to carry BVRs, so thats significant improvement in an aircraft that is fullfilling an interceptor role.

These are the same idiots Indians who want to so buy the new iphones, made in China.

 

[Storm Force]

DONATELLO

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These are the same idiots Indians who want to so buy the new iphones, made in China.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...d-hand-f-16s-paf-11.html#ixzz2JsFvjqOy/QUOTE]

says the GUY who compares a a modern fighter technology to a I PHONE . GET REAL friend

FIGHTER TECHNOLOGY IS A DIFFIERENT LEAGUE TO MOBILE FONES

 

[ziaulislam]

NAJAM.

There is nothing wrong with CHINEASE FIGHTERS be it JF17 @ $20M EACH or FC20 @ $35M EACH.

You will get bang for VERY SMALL bucks $$$

A VERY CHEAP & EFFICENT WAY TO MODERNISE a very large air force.

2nd hand F16s ARE ALSO A GOOD OPTION BUT WE ALL KNOW USA wil put massive restrictions on their use and wil hardball on maintenance & servcing if they think you are being anti USA INTERESTS

unfortunately A HEALTHY HAPPY INDIA is in USA interests. HENCE F16 ot any USA hardware is a risk for PAF/ARMY/NAVY

reason is pretty obvious jf-17 is home made product. to an external customer a full package will be in excess of 30 million
then also see the size of jf-17. we dont know about the j-10 price but it will be close to 50 million.

do u know that su 30 the most advance aircraft operational today with deadly expensive avionics of western origin costed india under 50 million...8.3 billion dollars for 230 ACs

 

[Tk_90]

I think PAF will have to go with Double seaters eventualy!