Search for Pakistani Strategic Bomber

[Cookie Monster]

No sir you forget the Indian SAMs, and you forget S-400 SAMs sir they neutralize our jets, RAAD, BABAR allover Pakistan, think that Pakistani H-6 flying over Gawadar which is out of reach the S-400 and fire 3-4 volley of extended range version of BABAR or RAAD with a range of 1500 km and compare the length of total Pakistani coast of 1000 km it will destroy S-300/400 and other SAMs sites,and other infrastructural deep inside India, think @Cookie Monster sir

I didn't forget Indian SAMs...that's what makes flying H6 and other bombers like that dangerous enemy territory in addition to the threat of IAF jets.

Where are u getting the range of Babur and Raad at 1500km?

If I remember correctly the longest range a Babur variant has is 700km and Raad has 250km...I think. Additionally Babur is canisterized and road mobile...it can be launched at Indian targets(including SAMs) without needing a bomber.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I didn't forget Indian SAMs...that's what makes flying H6 and other bombers like that dangerous enemy territory in addition to the threat of IAF jets.

Where are u getting the range of Babur and Raad at 1500km?

If I remember correctly the longest range a Babur variant has is 700km and Raad has 250km...I think. Additionally Babur is canisterized and road mobile...it can be launched at Indian targets(including SAMs) without needing a bomber.

I am talking about possible future upgraded ALCM version of BABUR sir, currently BABUR range is 750 km and RAAD 2 has a range of 550 km and in possible war with india their TELs will be intercepted by Indian standoff weapons @Cookie Monster

 

[Cookie Monster]

I am talking about possible future upgraded ALCM version of BABUR sir, currently BABUR range is 750 km and RAAD 2 has a range of 550 km and in possible war with india their TELs will be intercepted by Indian standoff weapons @Cookie Monster

TELs are not that easy to locate. A country would have to have a considerable recon capability either through drones or satellites or some other means...to locate TELs and destroy them. In case of India/Pak...Indian drones will be intercepted and shot before long so they wouldn't help much. As for satellites, India doesn't yet have that many satellites pointed at Pak for constant surveillance. As it stands right now...TELs would be a lot harder for India to locate and destroy as compared to something like an H6 bomber.

 

[Ultima Thule]

TELs are not that easy to locate. A country would have to have a considerable recon capability either through drones or satellites or some other means...to locate TELs and destroy them. In case of India/Pak...Indian drones will be intercepted and shot before long so they wouldn't help much. As for satellites, India doesn't yet have that many satellites pointed at Pak for constant surveillance. As it stands right now...TELs would be a lot harder for India to locate and destroy as compared to something like an H6 bomber.

but if we put H-6 sumangli air base and fly these to over gawader and launch from there so there would be a another good options opens for Pakistan to attack india in multiple ways, there is no threat in sumangli airbase for an indian interception so think @Cookie Monster sir

 

[Cookie Monster]

but if we put H-6 sumangli air base and fly these to over gawader and launch from there so there would be a another good options opens for Pakistan to attack india in multiple ways, there is no threat in sumangli airbase for an indian interception so think @Cookie Monster sir

Still not getting what would be the significant advantage of H6 operating that far inland...as opposed to launching these "long range variants" from TELs

 

[Ultima Thule]

Still not getting what would be the significant advantage of H6 operating that far inland...as opposed to launching these "long range variants" from TELs

Ok sir your opinions, i have mine, i'm out sir no hard feeling sir

 

[Armchair-General]

Instead of H6, if we need dedicated attack capability then this would be good:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Excellent replacement for Mirage 5

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7
Excellent replacement for Mirage 5[/QUOTE]
ts maritime attacker jet with 2-4 anti-ship missile, we need a cruise missile launch truck to overwhelm/destroy SAMs network of the enemy @Armchair-General

 

[ghazi768]

Strategic bombers are history, US disbanded that command long time ago. I think they keep a few to use as a threat mostly to nations like us or may be at best China. In a full blown strategic exchange, they will be useless against Russia.

Russian also re-activated them lately, either for political reasons for internal consumption (most probably). Or they saw some value in re-deploying them because of the Aegis/ABM deployments US is building around them. There's still 7-10 years until that is complete so they are trying to keep up whatever deterrence values they estimate by beefing up/re-activating bombers.

Such bombers are irrelevant to Pakistan-India equation. Also dreaming that these can be used for bombing infrastructure like Allied forces did in second world war is plainly stupid..

 

[wiseone2]

I believe both @MastanKhan and @Bilal Khan (Quwa) can attest that i have been ranting about this for the longest time, especially since India made a deal for S400 SAMs which will be difficult for PAF to deal with. The 400km range of those sams means they can pick off fighters over Pakistan while sitting deep inside india, comfortably away from PAFs reach.

Pakistan should acquire at least 8 strategic bimbers like the H-6K which should be able to carry 6-8 Babur cruise missiles. With 700km range from surface launch, amd air launched variant would easily have a range of 1000-1200km. With range like that, PAF bombers can sit deep in Pakistani territory and launch strikes on IAF forward bases and S400 poistions. Pushing the S400s away from the border will allow for greater longevity for PAFs air assets and the strikes on IAF bases would prevent rapid turn around of their fighters, making it more challenging to establish air superiority over Pakistan. Basically their fighters have to fly further to get to Pakistan and then back to base, meaning longer time between sorties and more resources and assets used to refuel those aircraft (like tankers for a2a refueling). Longer time between sprties allows for better planning for the defending PAF as well as longer to prolong the conflict and force a peace. A single H-6K could likely overwhelm an S400 battery or possibly annihilate an airbase with a volley of 6-8 Babur.

a bomber is essentially the size of Boeing 747. it is a big target. with or without escorts they are easy prey for fighters. the only use case is to equip them with long range cruise missiles. fly over the Arabian Sea and fire the cruise missiles at India.

to fire missiles at S-400 battery why do you need one of these bombers ?

 

[Fawad alam]

In my opinion we should have at least 2 Heavy bombers,
first to attack Air defense installations of India with Babar and RAD with very high altitude.
2nd if some how you will get air superiority then only 1 or 2 bombers like this can evaporate big armored force.
We need to understand the point that if you want to win the decisive war we need to destroy whole Indian Army or big amount of it, otherwise this is endless war.

 

[Basel]

Search for Pakistani Strategic Bomber

Many will argue , we do not need Strategic bomber but lets face it the Bombers have a strategic usage due to large amount of Ammo *Bombs it can carry

Considering the amount of goodies it can carry , JF17 can't possibly match that quantiy and payload for a large scale damage

From Tactical prespective the amount of Damage 1 Bomber flight can do is 10 times what JF17 would deliver

It will be much better to have something like J-20 instead of this type of relic, we need futuristic technology.

 

[Armchair-General]

@pakistanipower it is an attack aircraft that can carry air launched cruise missiles, anti ship missiles along with dumb and guided bombs. If we want to deploy cruise missiles in a huge amount then simply launching them from the ground would be a better option.

 

[Vigilant civilian]

How About Investing In Hypersonic Weapons and Anti Ballistic Missile Tech.
Anyone?
Anyone...?
?

ToT?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

How about getting some Flankers like J-16 or J-11 D to replace the Mirages

They can carry Babur Ra'ad with ease can strike deep in our neighbors territory as well