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India and Russia’s historically close relationship has been complicated by geopolitical realities but last week’s summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin demonstrated the extent to which both sides intend to stay close, even if it risks rankling the United States and China.


Harsha Kakar, a retired major general in the Indian army, said the meeting proved that despite Russia’s close ties with China, and India’s with the West, and “regardless of whatever alignments the countries may be part of, a relationship that has been built up over the years should not be eroded due to geopolitical changes”.


Since the outbreak of the Ukraine crisis in 2014, Russia has strengthened military and economic ties with China in response to the West’s condemnation of its seizure of the Crimea region and backing of a separatist rebellion in the east. The US recently warned Moscow it would face economic sanctions in the event of an attack on Ukraine.


India on the other hand has ramped up its alliances with Western nations, including joining the US-led Quad security alliance – alongside Japan and Australia – to counter China’s growing influence in the region. Indian and Chinese troops have also been locked in a stand-off at their shared border for the past 19 months.

The two leaders signed 28 deals in areas such as coal, shipbuilding, metallurgy, and oil. Moscow and New Delhi also pledged to raise bilateral trade to US$30 billion and mutual investment to US$50 billion by 2025

Putin and Modi’s meeting also yielded a contract allowing India to produce more than 600,000 Russian AK-203 assault rifles on its home soil for its armed forces. The two countries also extended a military-technical agreement that helped facilitate the transfer of defence technologies between the two countries for another 10 years.

Kakar expected India’s new S-400 systems to play a “major role” in the country’s air defence networks against its nuclear-armed neighbours China and Pakistan.


Alexey Kupriyanov, a senior research fellow at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, argued that from Moscow’s point of view having both India and China armed with the S-400 actually lessened the likelihood of war by helping to even the balance of power between the two countries. At the same time, he said, strengthening defence ties with India was “an opportunity for Russia to continue its pivot to Asia without becoming overly dependent on China”.


“Russia is not interested in becoming a military ally of China or giving up its sovereignty in any way, however in the current situation, the US and Europe are effectively pushing Russia towards such an alliance,” Kupriyanov said.

But China is not the only country that could have a problem with India’s S-400 acquisition. In 2017, the US Congress passed the Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which included a provision calling for sanctions against individuals and entities that engage in a “significant transaction” with the Russian defence sector. So far, customers of the S-400 have been the legislation’s primary target: Washington imposed CAATSA sanctions against China in 2018 and Nato ally Turkey in 2020 for purchasing the Russian air defence system.

However, there is a possibility that India could avoid a similar fate, with members of Congress urging Washington to not impose such sanctions against fellow Quad member states. The US State Department said last month that the Biden administration had not determined whether it would waive sanctions on India’s purchase of the S-400 but Richard Rossow, an expert on US-India relations at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said there was a high chance of this happening.


“It’s going to be a tough go on CAATSA sanction,” he said. “India is going to have to make the case that its importance to the US as a security partner and market for our businesses outweighs [Washington’s] concerns about Russia.”
But even if the CAATSA sanctions were waived, renewed tensions between Russia and the West over Ukraine threatens to further complicate matters for India. Over the past several weeks, both the US and Ukraine have accused Moscow of deploying nearly 100,000 troops near the Ukrainian border, sparking fears that Russia was preparing to invade its neighbour in the coming months. The Kremlin has denied these allegations, while also declaring that it wanted “legal guarantees” from Washington that Nato would not pursue further expansion to the east.


In the event of a Russian military offensive in Ukraine, Rossow said the US would avoid putting India in an “awkward position” by demanding that it join the West in penalising Moscow. Washington would however, probably push New Delhi to “draw down its relationship with Russia”, especially in the defence realm.
 
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Very unique relationship considering the current geopolitical situation

It'll be interesting to see where this goes- honestly you can't make predictions
 
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China never opposed Russia selling arms to India. In fact, we welcome Russia to sell more arms to India :enjoy:
 
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China never opposed Russia selling arms to India. In fact, we welcome Russia to sell more arms to India :enjoy:
As long as India has money, it can buy arms, American, Russian, European, etc.
So why should we oppose Russia's arms sales to India? If India wants, even we can sell arms to India ourselves.
 
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Russia is a realist state. Much as like China. India is just a customer, nothing strategic. We know that India cannot be taken as a partner. We already see it as a US minion.

Russia and China engage in coordinated policy in much more instances than, say, US and India.
 
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Russia, China, and US know India is a snake. India will swirl to the Russia side then back to the US side.
 
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India foreign policy:
  1. India thought joining QUAD won't be a big problem, but it is. India paid a heavy price for her adventure.
  2. India thought joining QUAD will bring lots of benefit, no. When China captured India soldiers, the rest 3 countries of QUAD did nothing to save India's a$$. US banned vaccine materials exports to India.
  3. India thought alienating Russia will please US, while US threaten India through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) on S-400 deal, treated India as a lackey.

India foreign/domesitic policy consequence:
  1. Lost an old friend - Russia.
  2. Irritated China.
  3. So-called new ally threaten India with sanction.
  4. Quit from RCEP
  5. No FTA with any major economy center, EU, China, NAFTA
  6. Tension with Pakistan
  7. Tension with Muslim within/outside of India
  8. Economy stagnant.
  9. Coivid-19 out of control

So India have no choice but using arm purchase to mend ties with Russia.
 
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India is endeavoring to sail in two boats.
 
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India is endeavoring to sail in two boats.
India started 2 front war drama. So now India has no choice, but pleasing US and Russia.

Do you remember IK extended an olive branch in 2018 when IK just elected? India rejected Pakistan's goodwill.
Do you remember China invited India into BRICS Development Bank, as well as AIIB back a couple of years ago?
Not to mention, both Pakistan and India became Shanghai Cooperation Organization members.
India created 2017 Doklam standoff, for what? To showoff ? or to please Americans? Nothing substantial.
India created 2020 conflicts in Galwan Valley, their soldiers captured, killed, for what? To please the Americans?


India think themselves too high. It's very hard to live with them. India keeps creating enemies, if that's what they want.
 
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India started 2 front war drama. So now India has no choice, but pleasing US and Russia.

Do you remember IK extended an olive branch in 2018 when IK just elected? India rejected Pakistan's goodwill.
Do you remember China invited India into BRICS Development Bank, as well as AIIB back a couple of years ago?
Not to mention, both Pakistan and India became Shanghai Cooperation Organization members.
India created 2017 Doklam standoff, for what? To showoff ? or to please Americans? Nothing substantial.
India created 2020 conflicts in Galwan Valley, their soldiers captured, killed, for what? To please the Americans?


India think themselves too high. It's very hard to live with them. India keeps creating enemies, if that's what they want.

You need a tissue? :'(

Isn't it sad and pathetic that China's top military supplier also exports high tech equipment to India, knowing fully well everything supplied to India is going to be used against China?

Poor dictator can't do anything about it. Hence, the frustration.

The best way to teach India a lesson for being a "snake", is that the tinpot dictator should try to arm-twist Russia into submission and buy Russia's foreign policy.
Like it does for other debt-ridden nations. :cheers:
 
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India foreign policy:
  1. India thought joining QUAD won't be a big problem, but it is. India paid a heavy price for her adventure.
  2. India thought joining QUAD will bring lots of benefit, no. When China captured India soldiers, the rest 3 countries of QUAD did nothing to save India's a$$. US banned vaccine materials exports to India.
  3. India thought alienating Russia will please US, while US threaten India through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) on S-400 deal, treated India as a lackey.

India foreign/domesitic policy consequence:
  1. Lost an old friend - Russia.
  2. Irritated China.
  3. So-called new ally threaten India with sanction.
  4. Quit from RCEP
  5. No FTA with any major economy center, EU, China, NAFTA
  6. Tension with Pakistan
  7. Tension with Muslim within/outside of India
  8. Economy stagnant.
  9. Coivid-19 out of control

So India have no choice but using arm purchase to mend ties with Russia.

it has a better choice stop being a brown sahab anglo saxon and become a Asian block with neighbors and stick a middle finger at usa.
 
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You need a tissue? :'(

Isn't it sad and pathetic that China's top military supplier also exports high tech equipment to India, knowing fully well everything supplied to India is going to be used against China?

Poor dictator can't do anything about it. Hence, the frustration.

The best way to teach India a lesson for being a "snake", is that the tinpot dictator should try to arm-twist Russia into submission and buy Russia's foreign policy.
Like it does for other debt-ridden nations. :cheers:
Gosh, superpower 2020 buying AK-203(AK-47++) from Russia. While China is making J-20.

I hate talking to those ignorant. Don't reply to me. On my ignore list.

Btw, superpower, all mighty Indian Army killed their own four-star general, the first Chief of Defence Staff.
India pilots are more dangerous than enemy Air to Air missiles.
 
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Gosh, superpower 2020 buying AK-203(AK-47++) from Russia. While China is making J-20.

I hate talking to those ignorant. Don't reply to me. On my ignore list.

Btw, superpower, all mighty Indian Army killed their own four-star general, the first Chief of Defence Staff.
India pilots are more dangerous than enemy Air to Air missiles.

I am sure SCMP is whining just because Russia signed a pact to make 600k AK rifles in India.

One of your Western Theatre Commander, the biggest military theatre in China has already been murdered by the tinpot dictator, next one was probably poisoned and is on his death bed, the current one doesn't know what lies in his fate.

How the dictator wipes out his rivals is no news, so let's not go there.
 
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I am sure SCMP is whining just because Russia signed a pact to make 600k AK rifles in India.

Of course they are. India is making big purchase under the pressure of China. Russia is making big profit while Chinese can't get a single dollar profit from this deal.

One of your Western Theatre Commander, the biggest military theatre in China has already been murdered by the tinpot dictator, next one was probably poisoned and is on his death bed, the current one doesn't know what lies in his fate.

How the dictator wipes out his rivals is no news, so let's not go there.

What is your daily job?
Let me guess, Bollywood editor?
 
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