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We will never be secular Pakistan always will be Islamic Pakistan
As I said, it should not matter. It is your country after all.
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We will never be secular Pakistan always will be Islamic Pakistan
This is the Pakistan i wish/live to see. Hope I can experience it in my life time.
Islamic state was around for 1,000+ years. The corruption that is endemic now, theft, fraud will almost disappear.
Islam never took hold in this country. The terrrorism in the country only started in 2001. What terrorism did we have pre-2001??? So stop blaming Islam for Political failures!
Aaj ke liye jyada hogay bhaijaan ...kuch next installment ke liye bhi rakho
Few terrorist incidents before 2001
2000
November 23: Anwar Ali Akhunzada, the central general secretary of TJP in Peshawar, is assassinated by the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ).
September 19: Twelve persons are killed in a bomb explosion in Islamabad
July 17: Ten persons are killed in Hyderabad train blast.
March 28: Seven persons are killed and 16 others injured in a bomb blast at a crowded market in the frontier town of Torkham near Afghanistan.
February 5: Eight persons are killed and 40 others injured in a bomb explosion in a train at Hyderabad.
January 17: Eight persons are killed and 31 others injured in a bomb explosion at a bus stop in Karachi.
1996
November 19: A suicide bomber drives a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons.
September 23: Four gunmen open indiscriminate fire at a Fajr congregation at Al Khair mosque in Multan, killing 23 worshipers and wounding 50 others.
January 18: Sipah-e-Sahaba Chief Maulana Ziaur Rehman Farooqi is killed along with 18 other persons in a bomb blast in the Lahore Sessions Court.
March 8: Two unidentified gunmen kill two U.S. diplomats and injured a third in Karachi.
These are just a few..
Both secularism and religion based states / societies have pro's and con's.
What worked in history would work in current and future world is not necessary. Societies, cultures and human beings that dont evolve with time perish as time waits for none.
Stagnant water has more dirt and is less usable compared for flowing stream
Aaj ke liye jyada hogay bhaijaan ...kuch next installment ke liye bhi rakho
Few terrorist incidents before 2001
2000
November 23: Anwar Ali Akhunzada, the central general secretary of TJP in Peshawar, is assassinated by the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ).
September 19: Twelve persons are killed in a bomb explosion in Islamabad
July 17: Ten persons are killed in Hyderabad train blast.
March 28: Seven persons are killed and 16 others injured in a bomb blast at a crowded market in the frontier town of Torkham near Afghanistan.
February 5: Eight persons are killed and 40 others injured in a bomb explosion in a train at Hyderabad.
January 17: Eight persons are killed and 31 others injured in a bomb explosion at a bus stop in Karachi.
1996
November 19: A suicide bomber drives a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons.
September 23: Four gunmen open indiscriminate fire at a Fajr congregation at Al Khair mosque in Multan, killing 23 worshipers and wounding 50 others.
January 18: Sipah-e-Sahaba Chief Maulana Ziaur Rehman Farooqi is killed along with 18 other persons in a bomb blast in the Lahore Sessions Court.
March 8: Two unidentified gunmen kill two U.S. diplomats and injured a third in Karachi.
These are just a few..
Both secularism and religion based states / societies have pro's and con's.
What worked in history would work in current and future world is not necessary. Societies, cultures and human beings that dont evolve with time perish as time waits for none.
Stagnant water has more dirt and is less usable compared for flowing stream
I can go through each one of those incidences and tell you what it was related to. Our State was NEVER attacked! These outside players used our soil to take revenge for example on the Egyption Embassy. The
Secularism is a selfish way of life. It's very NATURE is to challenge your values, your culture, your way of life! It has caused more Wars by pushing it's ideas and taking resources than religious based societies.
As you're an Indian, you talk about stagnant water, etc....you lot have abandoned who you are! I have much respect for Indian women who wear saris than some western imported trash. I don't want our Pakistan to go down that root where we have such an inferiority complex that we abandon our culture. I am always harping on about A.K being a proud Muslim, conservative part of Pakistan. You will rarely find people wearing Western clothes! Does that make us ''backward, uneducated''? Or does it show, we are proud Muslims of A.K, Pakistan!
I can go through each one of those incidences and tell you what it was related to. Our State was NEVER attacked! These outside players used our soil to take revenge, for example on the Egyption Embassy. The others were sectarian related and spill-overs from the first Afghan War.
I suggest you read Ends of the Earth, Robert D.Kaplan and speaks of India eventually falling apart. You can continue to deploy large forces to cement over the cracks, but for how long can you 'forcefully' keep independence aspirations at bay?
One should be able to identify what is reality and what is delusion.
Talking about keeping aspirations for independence at bay, you are talking about Kashmir right ?
Well, if there was any reality in it, it would have happened long time back, 68 years is enough time for that.
Take a look at a real example, that of East Pakistan. It took only about an year for the people to rise up against West-Pakistan and only a few weeks of active war with India. That's how it happens if it is real.
Probably, you did not know, but it's India who reached out to UN for a peaceful resolution. According to UN Resolution, Pakistan should vacate the forcibly occupied lands and hand it over back to India, so that India can conduct a plebiscite. That was over 60 years ago and it never happened. Why ?Proof in the pudding is giving people the opportunity to express their wishes as you claim to be the largest democray in the World and lets see if they want it or not on the ballot box? Everytime, the poor IOKashmiris open their mouth or express their wishes by flying the Pakistani flag, they are arrested and probably killed. Raping and Murdering is a trade mark of a tyrant nation. Why do you lot always can never behonest; deploying 500,000+ troops and claiming IOKashmiris don't want independence at the barrel of a gun. Are you for real! My brothers and sisters have endured alot of crimes against humanity at the hands of the savages; Rapes 7000+, Murders, Destruction of property, Arrests, etc, etc.
Take a selective look at whatever you like. We hold elections regularly in Kashmir, with more that 60% turnout in the latest one.I don't need to take a long look at E.Pakistan I am taking a REAL LONG LOOK as a KASHMIRI in AZAD-KASHMIR, PAKISTAN. The reason why India does not want to hold elections in IOK (with foriegn observers) they know 100% they'll lose Kashmir! Now you've even stopped talking to Pakistan about A.K should hold elections as well. WHY? You've realised from your terrorist RAW, we'll choose to stay with Pakistan 100%.
Here in in Azad Kashmir, we have bumper stickers like 'Pak forj ap ko salam'. We sit with them like brothers and respect them. Unlike your lot who are cursed daily!
Probably, you did not know, but it's India who reached out to UN for a peaceful resolution. According to UN Resolution, Pakistan should vacate the forcibly occupied lands and hand it over back to India, so that India can conduct a plebiscite. That was over 60 years ago and it never happened. Why ?
and don't whine banging your head in the wall talking about rape, murder arrest etc etc. The numbers that you quote gets surpassed every a few years in Pakistan. In side of the border, we have a democratic rule of law, else there would have been nothing called Hurriyat.
Take a selective look at whatever you like. We hold elections regularly in Kashmir, with more that 60% turnout in the latest one.
Did you know in both 1965 and 1999, during Kargil incursion, the Indian army was informed about the presence of infiltrators by the local shepherds only ?
See, you want to hate, fine go ahead, I couldn't give a damn. But do it for the right reasons and get the right information. Don't just hate blindly because somebody taught you to do so, use your own logic and understanding.
As an Azad Kashmiri, why would we allow ourselves to be handed over to the same savages who are attacking our women in IOK? Is there any logic in that? Let free and fair elections happen and the will of the people be determined!
The UN has a lot to answer for; their reports say there is wide spread human rights abuses carried out by Indian Soldiers in Kashmir; HRW has also documented, the US as well. I have posted links in past threads.
You really are an IMMORAL man! Rape as an instrument of war is illegal under International Law. With views like yours and then you think we want our Army to abandon us and handed over to the dogs?
If you're talking about rape as per country; India is known as the rape capital of the World! Orissa (Christian Churches burned down, villages destroyed, women raped), Nunn; gang raped, Gujrat; Muslim women were gang raped in the streets and on roof-tops, women raped in buses, streets, hostels, etc, etc...
As far as your democratic rule of law is concerned, let the people decide if they want to be with IOK or free? Why won't you have those elections? Answer the question!
We are talking about Kashmir, NOT E. Pakistan.
Thank you! I've always said Indians are an over blown threat. Relying on goat herders and what not speaks volumes about your intelligence capability. Our problem is leadership, not capability!
I don't operate on hate! Indians actions speak louder than words!
haha..You sound like you are almost frothing at mouth.
And rape as an instrument of war ? The biggest example of that you will find committed by your Pakistani army, when they raped thousands of Bengali girls in East Pakistan. Their numbers were so much that newly formed Bangladesh had a separate name for them, "Birangona" or the brave-hearts. It's all well documented. You can also refer to the Hamoodur Rahman commission report.
Indian army on the other hand is very much professional and any form of misconduct is met with swift action.
I have already told you why plebiscite cannot be held. You need to read more closely.
According to the clauses of the UN resolution you are referring to, Pakistan has to vacate the part of Kashmir under its control and hand it over to India.Then India will conduct a plebiscite. This part of the bargain Pakistan did not fulfill and over the year, the decision taken at that point of time lost its value, which is evident in your demeanor.
That's why plebiscite could not be held and cannot be done now. Try going through the UN resolution. If you can't find it, let me know, I will find it for you.
Kashmiris FREELY want to be with PAKISTAN
We will never be secular Pakistan always will be Islamic Pakistan