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The killers of Liaquat Ali Khan killed secular Pakistan and created a Islamic Pakistan soon after?
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@Atanz @Irfan Baloch
The killers of Liaquat Ali Khan killed secular Pakistan and created a Islamic Pakistan soon after?
pakistan created on Islamic lines was never ever established
It should be declared a Secular state, IMO. Would be a nice start to a change.
I'm sorry to say but Two Nation Theory failed the day Bangladesh got separated from us, also more Muslims live in India than in Pakistan, so what 2 Nation theory are you on about, please elaborate??
I agree most power comes from the uneducated masses though.
Isn't it what Quiad said too?? Go and read his 11th August Speech. Thanks !
Hi,Those stating that Pakistan was ever meant to be anything other than an Islamic Republic are either outright lying to you or are simply not fully knowledgeable on how important Islam was not only in reuniting the Pakistani civilization but also for helping us achieve our independence from the British Raj.
Read the Objective resolution which Liaquat Ali Khan authored. Here is an excerpt:
“Whereas sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone and the authority which He has delegated to the State of Pakistan, through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;”
The portion stating “exercised within the limits prescribed by Him [Allah swt]” specifically relates to Sharia which is why Jinnah stated during his address to the Karachi Bar Association on January 25, 1948 as referenced in “Jinnah: Speeches and Statements 1947-1948” pg. 98
"Why this feeling of nervousness that the future constitution of Pakistan is going to be in conflict with Shariat Laws? . . . Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago. "
Jinnah himself states that there is no differentiation between religion and politics during his address to the Karachi Bar association on January 25, 1948, as referenced in “Jinnah: Speeches and Statements 1947-1948” pg. 98
"The Prophet (PBUH) was a great teacher. He was a great law-giver. He was a great statesman and he was a great Sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam... Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like."
Liaqat Ali Khan, Allama Iqbal, Chaudhary Rehmat Ali, etc... all of Pakistan's founders and the Pakistani's that worked, fought and died for our independence and freedom of our ancestral lands sought an Islamic State.
All of Jinnah's final speeches have him declaring Pakistan as an "Islamic State", under "Muslim rule", whose constitution and laws would be "shariah compliant" he never once referred to Pakistan as "secular" or one which would be a "secular state".
With that said I can understand why because Islam is the greatest ideology on the face of this planet. I've spent over 10 years literally reading book after book, taken a variety of courses in University (from one of the top 10 internationally ranked Universities in the world), reading many published peer reviewed studies and everything comes back to proving how amazing Islam is. Once people actually bother to read instead of listening to music or watching cartoons and movies all day or wasting their time on here they'll come to understand what I have.
No it shouldn't.
What needs to happen are those not loyal to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan should be told to leave for India or whatever "secular" nation is willing to accept them (ex. secular France or Tajikistan that restricts religious freedoms).
Secularism is a disease that brings nothing but war and oppression (ex. slavery and exploitation) and we don't need it nor want it.
Pakistan was not created for everyone it was created by the Pakistani civilization that embodies our Islamic culture and those Muslims that share our ideals and aspirations. However, non-Muslims can live here as long as they can abide by our laws and culture. We simply do not need anyone else particularly considering we're already a nation of 190+ million people.
How did the 2 nation theory fail?
Firstly, Bangladesh never joined India meaning that the concept of a united India failed and could never succeed.
Secondly, have you read Choudhary Rehmat Ali's "Now or Never" from 1930? Bangladesh wasn't even included in Pakistan it was only much later that they allowed them in to simply ensure that we each got our independence but even then it was imagined to be a federation where Bangladesh would have governed itself while Pakistan governed its own lands and we would instead cooperate on matters of defence and the economy. This obviously didn't happen hence why India and its secular murderous leadership was able to exploit divisions through propaganda.
The election of the parties like the BJP, that has slaughtered Muslim civilians in India, is just more proof that we were right.
If anyone is unhappy and is not loyal to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan they are free to give up their citizenship and leave.
As Jinnah himself during his April 18, 1948 address to the students of Edwards College in Peshawar as referenced in “Jinnah: Speeches and Statements 1947-1948” pg. 201:
“I am happy to see better things here. What more can one really expect than to see that this mighty land has now been brought under a rule, which is Islamic, Muslim rule, as a sovereign independent State.”
I am a proud citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and a proud Muslim.
Most of the people here don't even know the basics of Pakistani history and they can read, write and have computer access yet I would never consider M. SAAD or the likes as “educated”.
Many of those who insult “Mullahs” and Madrassah's are themselves uneducated and completely disingenuous since I have yet to see any of them even bother to help (ex. I don't see any of them building schools and feeding over a million children let alone the wider Pakistani population) and have no understanding of how influential the Mosques and Madrassah's were in creating Pakistan and how Pakistan, let alone India, would not even exist today without Islam (we'd just be brainwashed lemmings who swallowed the nonsense British colonialists and Indian “Hindus” have been spewing since at least 1850). While Indians don't want to admit their nation only exists thanks to Muslims we are thankful to Islam and the Muslims that reunited the Pakistani civilization.
Granted there are issues but these are patriots and I have the absolute respect for them.
It's obvious you don't know what Quaid said.
I've already covered this before
For starters there no copies of the speech in question:
No copy of Jinnah's 'secular state' speech: India - The Express Tribune
However, regardless of that fact Islam and the Islamic Republic allows for freedom of religion as referenced by the following passage:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)
“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)
Assuming this speech took place Jinnah was in no way advocating secularism he simply conveyed the message of Islam.
However, non-Muslims and all others must be mindful of our laws and Islamic culture and if they do not like it they are free to leave.
Jinnah himself states that there is no differentiation between religion and politics during his address to the Karachi Bar association on January 25, 1948, as referenced in “Jinnah: Speeches and Statements 1947-1948” pg. 98
"The Prophet (PBUH) was a great teacher. He was a great law-giver. He was a great statesman and he was a great Sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam... Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like."
When Jinnah referred to concepts like equal rights for non-Muslims you need to take it into context of all the other speeches he's made and writings of Pakistan's other founding fathers like Chaudhary Rehmat Ali, Allama Iqbal, etc...
Jinnah was simply referring to the right of all citizens to practice their faith, own property and start a business just like any other Muslim but their rights and limitations are dictated by Islam just like they are for any other Muslim.
What some individuals are doing is confusing rights with privileges and in the case of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan these are dictated by the Quran and Sunnah while in non-Muslim nations they are dictated by other factors and beliefs. Freedom of religion never meant that people would be free to violate Islamic law such as having the right to drink alcohol, do drugs, be prostitutes, dress like Western whores, be thieves, take bribes, etc...
To give you an example only natural born US citizens can be President or VP (naturalized citizens born abroad do not have this right) which was intended to prevent the influence of foreigners on the US government. This itself, as of 2010, excluded about 40 million US citizens from ever holding the highest office in the land and I completely agree with their decision. This is similar to Pakistan's laws that prevent a non-Muslim from holding that post to prevent the influence of non-Muslims on our nation considering we are an Islamic Republic.
The only reason the vast majority of Muslims let alone most immigrants even live in Western secular nations, all of whom profited from colonialism of Muslim countries and other nations pilfering their wealth and hampering development for about 300 years and are guilty for a host of crimes including forced conversions (ex. Canada and its infamous Indian residential school system which operated until about 1996), is for economic reasons nothing else. My own family never intended to live in Canada my father always wanted to return to Pakistan despite the country never being able to pay him what he could earn abroad but corruption, which is anti-Islam, kept him out it wasn't anything else. With that said my parents are still going to retire to Pakistan and I myself have been looking to start a manufacturing business in the country but without a resolution to the energy crisis that makes it difficult.
The moment Pakistan starts to seriously enforce its own Islamic constitution and laws instead of allowing drunkards and corrupt or immoral politicians and even some from within the Army officer ranks from breaking the laws and selling it along with its people and culture out you'll see millions of Pakistanis start streaming back and with them tens of billions in foreign exchange. By 2050 the US Census already believes that there will be no net migration out of Pakistan (this is not true of India which will continue to see as many of its people leave year on year through 2050) because Pakistani's have no wish to live in secular nations. The economy has been destroyed by liberals who keep promoting failed neo-liberal economic policies because they don't know any better or are intentionally trying to sabotage the country.
SC ponders over whether Pakistan can be declared a secular state - The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court judges on Monday debated the mechanism that would be needed to declare Pakistan a secular state.
Hearing constitutional petitions against the 18th and 21st Constitutional Amendments, a 17-judge bench headed by Chief Justice Nasirul Mulk questioned how the country would go about declaring itself a secular state if there is a popular demand for change.
The chief justice questioned whether such a process could be carried out through a constituent assembly. “How can the constituent assembly be formed at present stage?”
“If a political party whose manifesto supported such a declaration comes to power, how does that party plan on making the country secular?” Justice Mian Saqib Nisar questioned.
Proposing a solution, Hamid Khan, counsel for different bar associations suggested that it could be carried out through a referendum.
Justice Asif Saeed Khosa also questioned whether parliament had the power to pass an amendment to the Constitution which would declare the country secular.
Taking a page out of history, Justice Khosa said the country was created in the name of Islam in 1947 and later reaffirmed its commitment to being an Islamic state in 1949 with the Objectives Resolution, which was also supported by East Pakistan. However, Khosa pointed out how East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) went on to declare their country a secular state after partition. Later, Bangladesh attempted to declare the country an Islamic state through a constitutional amendments, but the Bangladesh Supreme Court annulled the amendment.
Citing the example of Turkey, Justice Khosa added people and their ideologies change with the passage of time. However, Jutsice Khawaja believed changes in Bangladesh and Turkey were rooted in revolution.
means if Pakistan is declared secular state.there will be open bars vodka, black label and wine bhi where can i vote for this secular Pakistan.
bro i think two nation theory and Islamic nations concept died in 1971. at least by being secular we can constitutionally reduce religious intolerance such as blasphemy laws and we will be giving more freedom of choice to our population do what ever they want.There would be neither a secular state nor a theocratic state and Pakistan would remain a Islamic republic. Both Islamic parties and these secular are just wasting their breath on this issue since we have evolved a balance. This democratic and peaceful discussion is better than wasting fighting on other issues.
at least by being secular we can constitutionally reduce religious intolerance such as blasphemy laws and we will be giving more freedom of choice to our population
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bro just show me where it is written in Islam that non Muslim cant lead Muslim. we denied qadianis there rights based on the concept that only muslims are first class citizen rest can go to hell. they are as much pakistani as we are.if its every pakistanis right that he can vote then why cant he lead this country does this mean that they don't belong here. you and me both know what happened when that law was passed.The democratic institutions and courts will protect the rights of the people. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan on the issue of Qadianism was supported by all the political parties passed in the Parliament. Pakistan has good balance of Muslim law and we can neither can became secular nor theocratic. This seems to be another threat to start new political and religious strife in Pakistan by Qadianis and their supporters.
LOL no actually. India still has some decency left. I ve met prominent& very involved in running gurdawaras & such Sikh families here in the US and they dont even like their women leaving their hair open.May be he took India as a role model while writing that post.