SC: It's' Bangladeshi nationalism:Fifth Amendment Ruling

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SC ruling to help ensure secular democracy: Shafique

The Supreme Court ruling on fifth amendment to the constitution paved the way for ensuring secular, multiparty democracy and development, Law Minister Shafique Ahmed said on Thursday.


"Extra-constitutional takeover of the state power obstructed the smooth journey of democracy, and the basic structure of the constitution was changed by removing secularism from the constitution," he said at the inaugural session of a workshop in the city’s Hotel Westin.


The Appellate Division on Tuesday released the full text of its judgment, nearly six months after it upheld the High Court verdict that denounced military rule and restored secular spirit of the original constitution except for a few changes.


The fifth amendment had legitimised the governments and military rule since killing of then president Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on August 15, 1975, to April 9, 1979.


"By a historical judgment of our Supreme Court, secularism has been restored paving the way for the state to ensure secular multiparty democracy to move forward with its agenda of development," Shafique Ahmed said.


Bangladesh Enterprise Institute (BEI) organised the workshop styled "Combating terrorism in Bangladesh: Developing a national counter-terrorism strategy" in association with Defense Institutions Reform Initiative (DIRI).


The minister stressed strong civil-military relationships, but said, "There has to be a greater degree of trust between the two sides, but that has to be done respecting the constitution, the laws of the land and established norms and practices."


While independence of the principal state organs -- executive, parliament and the judiciary must be respected, there should be working relationship among them, and above all the chain of command with the prime minister as the head of the government for smooth functioning of a democratic state, the law minister said.


On combating terrorism, he said Bangladesh has been successful in apprehending large number of terrorists, but this should not give any cause to relax. Capacity building of the law enforcers, intelligences and improving coordination among different agencies in the country are imperative to fight extremism, he noted.


US Ambassador in Dhaka James F Moriarty commended Bangladesh's role in fighting terrorism, saying Bangladesh plays an important role in regional stability in South Asia when militants and extremists seek to pull the region to an unending cycle of death and violence.


Bangladesh has proven commitments in catching and prosecuting suspected terrorists, he said, adding that it is now important to identify roles of different agencies, civil society, military, parliament and other elected officials to bolster the fight against the extremists.


However, he said, while driving against terrorism, it is important that Bangladesh continues to improve its democracy and governance, and respects the rule of law and human rights.


"I urge you to think about protections for human rights and rule while developing a national strategy to combat terrorism," he told the participants from home and abroad.


BEI President Farooq Sobhan and DIRI Programme Coordinator John Hansen also spoke
SC ruling to help ensure secular democracy: Shafique

 

[EjazR]

@idune

The verse I quoted is clear and plain to understand. Islam does not allow insulting other religions. If you don't follow that you are going against the Quran.

On the other part, I will say only that Allah help you. This is my last post to you on this topic.

 

[idune]

SC ruling to help ensure secular democracy: Shafique

Indian wishes

India likes to see Bangladesh as stable secular democracy
India wants to see Bangladesh as a stable, secular democracy with a representative government through a free and fair election, visiting state minister for commerce Joyram Ramesh said here Sunday.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-166681681.html

Bottom line: Even the wording of indian and Awami minister are exactly the same. Establishing Hindu dominance over Muslim majority population in Bangladesh are well in pregress by indo-awami nexus

 

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Indian wishes



Bottom line: Even the wording of indian and Awami minister are exactly the same. Establishing Hindu dominance over Muslim majority population in Bangladesh are well in pregress by indo-awami nexus

There is nothing wrong India wanting BD to remain secular the same way we want USA to remain secular. They certainly will try to ensure the interest of Hindu community here, the same way we want ensured interest of every muslim in a non muslim country. You dont get the logic, do you? Fanatics dont...

 

[idune]

There is nothing wrong India wanting BD to remain secular the same way we want USA to remain secular. They certainly will try to ensure the interest of Hindu community here, the same way we want ensured interest of every muslim in a non muslim country. You dont get the logic, do you? Fanatics dont...

And 160 million Bangladeshis appointed you as indian lobbiist?? Speak for yourself and you are disgrace to any nation or natioality. Better yet why dont you take up indian citizenship, that will serve you better.

As for your other wish, india blatantly interfere in Bangladesh (other neighbors) internal affairs by using stooge like Awami League and people like yourself. Bangladesh does none of these and nor have such policy. So your point of decption on be half of indian wish is just more BS.

 

[M_Saint]

@idune

I will not comment on YOUR understanding of geo-politics as it is self evident.

But what I was highlighting is the UnISlamic actions of a number of posters who are using insults and derogatory references in the name of Islam.



If you and other posters want to follow the Quran, pay heed to this verse. That is why I said it is more important to be muslims than to keep shouting "Islam in danger" and abusing other religions every chance people can get as it shows that they are nothing but hypocrites / munafiqs.

First become followers of Islam by bringing the moral values in your personal lives which includes tolerance, respect and speaking the truth and not breaking the trust.

IzazR,
Could you please tell us the Shane Nazul (Perspective) of the verse that you've quoted? And from what Para out of 30s and what ruku have you picked it up? Also write us some pre and post Arabic lines of it in English for us to see your level of proficiency since you, an Indian-Muslim lecture us about Islamic rules and regulations. Finally a flaw in a very foundamental thing like your quote of Quoranic verses without presenting its original (Arabic) one is a very dangerous thing, since it could change the meaning as one reads along, don't you know that? QUORAN HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED FOR 1400 YRS because none of its Tafseers has been allowed without Arabic verses. Presence of Arabic one with other languages is must, please remember that before lecturing us again.

 

[Speaker]

I don't understand the Bangladeshis attacking Ejaz here. He is one of the few Muslims who shows Islam to be a peaceful, tolerant and graceful religion. By negating his understanding of Islam and the Koran, you are catering to the Islamophobes who want to show Islam as intolerant, barbaric and weak. This discussion itself should be indicative of why Bangladesh should be leaning towards secularism. Some of the most sensible Muslim posters on this forum are from India and Turkey, both of which are secular. The 'secular' members from Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan are also quite sensible in their take on religion. Having seen their posts for a while, I cannot think they are any less religious, or less of a Muslim than any of you are. Just some food for thought.

PS: I will welcome logical counter-arguments instead of pulling in India or other religions into this.

 

[Al-zakir]

I would like to beat the hell out of this old malauner aulad. I really do!!!

 

[akash57]

Sahih International

And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn

Do not revile those whom they call upon, besides God, namely, the idols, lest they then revile God out of spite, out of aggression and wrongfully, through ignorance, that is, through their ignorance of God. So, in the same way that We have adorned for these that which they practise, We have adorned for every community their, good and evil, deeds, and they commit them; then to their Lord they shall return, in the Hereafter, and He will tell them what they used to do, and requite them for it.

 

[Al-zakir]

@idune

The verse I quoted is clear and plain to understand. Islam does not allow insulting other religions. If you don't follow that you are going against the Quran.

On the other part, I will say only that Allah help you. This is my last post to you on this topic.

Great!!! So you know that Qur'an is words of Allah and we Muslim pledge our allegiance to only Allah. NO??

So answer me this question. What kind of Muslims would delete this from highest law of the land. It is already there. Another word, aren't Awami kafir league displacing their trust some where else but Allah.

"Pledging that the high ideals of absolute trust and faith in the Almighty Allah

If these so called Muslims can denied the supremacy of Allah then how is to wrong for me to call them Kafir.

 

[EjazR]

@M_saint I hope you got your answer in akash's post. I had already quoted the verse and surah number so why do I need to provide the ruku and juz and tafseer. You can go and search it for yourself.

@al-zakir
It is precisely because we have faith in Allah and his book that we should practice on it rather than raise mere slogans. My main point was to stop insulting behavirou against other religious groups espicially Hindus. I am neither pro-awami or anti-BNP. I know little about Bangladeshi politics and would assume that most politicians are the same.

However, it is a fact the dictators are the worst form of rulers in any part of the world and espicially those who use Islam to justify their dictatorship cause immense damage to muslims and Islam. This was the vase with Zia in Pakistan as well as in Bangadesh.

And now isn't Hasina planning to retain Bismillah in teh consittution then what do mean by they placing their trust in someone else. Personally Zia did a disgraceful thing by eqating trust with Allah to other ideals like democracy, socialism e.t.c. Trust in Allah is above these things.

The constitution is a pact a treaty that is signed and pledged with by all citizens of that country. These include different religious groups Muslims and non-muslims and the consitution should reflect by enshrining their rights as well. As well as various ethnic and economic groups. Read up on mithaq-e-median where the Prophet himself called the people of medina signing the pact including Jews and Pagans as one qaum or one nation along with the muslims. Here is an example from the life of the prophet where he showed that pertaining to state matters secularism (in the sense that all religions will be equal in the eyes of the law) will be the guiding principle and refferred to them as one nation and NOT two different nations.

LEt us follow the way shown by the Quran and the way shown by the prophet. And I think that atleast apparently it looks like AL is moving in that direction. Once Islam ceases to be a tool for politcal purposes then Islam can begin entering and transforming the lives and moral values of the people.

Indonesia and Turkey are two secular muslim countries and one has a trillion dollar economy while the second is almost close to having one. Both have significant non-muslim populations.

 

[Maira La]

I would like to beat the hell out of this old malauner aulad. I really do!!!

Fight words with words if you believe in fairness and justice. It's not right to get "physical" when your arguments are weak. It's very common though. *sigh*

 

[Al-zakir]

Fight words with words if you believe in fairness and justice. It's not right to get "physical" when your arguments are weak. It's very common though. *sigh*

There is a famous Urdu saying goes like this: laaton ke bhoot baton se nahi mante. Appropriate for Awami dogs. They are out of touch with reality as it was case for Mujib. You would think that Awami would learned from the past but NO. Disrespecting majorities believe will put them out of sight for another 30 years. I hope you are not part Awamis munafiq kafila.

 

[idune]

LEt us follow the way shown by the Quran and the way shown by the prophet. And I think that atleast apparently it looks like AL is moving in that direction. Once Islam ceases to be a tool for politcal purposes then Islam can begin entering and transforming the lives and moral values of the people.

Indonesia and Turkey are two secular muslim countries and one has a trillion dollar economy while the second is almost close to having one. Both have significant non-muslim populations.

indians are oximoronic to the core. You try to take shelter in the Quran to hide you deception aka Hindu dominance agenda yet oppose Muslim and Islamic identity of Bangladesh (or elsewhere).

Another word, indians (and their domisticated Bangladeshis like iajdani gang) are nothing but opportunist deceiver will bite the same hand that protects them. Perhaps, this should be lesson for people who has not realized the fact.

Why you left out Malaysia????? Malaysia as a Muslim country resembles most closely to Bangladesh. And Turkey is far from Bangladesh cuturally and otherwise. Although Turkey is re establishing itself under its Islamic root now.

You have very limited understanding on geo politics and reality so dont come here and lecture us on what is good for Bangladesh. Go back and fix your "secular" mask that is run by hindu fundamentalism.

 

[Al-zakir]

@al-zakir
It is precisely because we have faith in Allah and his book that we should practice on it rather than raise mere slogans. My main point was to stop insulting behavirou against other religious groups espicially Hindus. I am neither pro-awami or anti-BNP. I know little about Bangladeshi politics and would assume that most politicians are the same.

However, it is a fact the dictators are the worst form of rulers in any part of the world and espicially those who use Islam to justify their dictatorship cause immense damage to muslims and Islam. This was the vase with Zia in Pakistan as well as in Bangadesh.

And now isn't Hasina planning to retain Bismillah in teh consittution then what do mean by they placing their trust in someone else. Personally Zia did a disgraceful thing by eqating trust with Allah to other ideals like democracy, socialism e.t.c. Trust in Allah is above these things.

You are contradicting your self here. You can not be neutral while leaning towards wasted Hasina and I have a serious anger toward you for taking side of anti-Islamic party like Awami even though you are claiming to be Muslim of Bharat. How would you feel if I support shibsena or BJP in the name of secularism. You should take the side of Muslims brothers in Bangladesh who look after the interest of Ummah. You are betraying with your people by taking side of a party that is more interested to serve Hindus interest then Muslims.

Awami trying to deceive people by keeping "Bmillah ir rahman ir Raheem " and so far I know "Bismillah.....' doesn't mean trusting Allah. The correct words for placing absolute trust on Allah is"Bismillahi tawakkaltu al Allah wl la hawla wala quwwata illa billah". If Awami delete this line from constitution then doesn't really do much for Islamic cause of Bangladesh.

Now if Awami keep 'Bismillah.." then how are they going to establish secularism at the same time. Isn't 'Bismillah" oppose secularism.

I do not understand why are you throwing anger on General Zia(Bangladesh) even though he was most successful Bangladeshi leader in history of Bangladesh. He is beloved by all Muslims except Munafiqs and Mushriks.

Indonesia and Turkey are two secular muslim countries and one has a trillion dollar economy while the second is almost close to having one. Both have significant non-muslim populations.

I have notice Hindus and you mention about Turkey and Indonesia to justify secularism in Bangladesh even though we are more close with Pakistanis and Iran. How come you are not advocating Iranian style democracy in Bangladesh.