Saudis on Twitter launch a campaign against the emir of Qatar

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Wow now that is interesting is this "fake news" or real

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wow now that is interesting is this "fake news" or real

Read the entire thread and you will see how interesting it is.

Containing Erdogan, fighting the Iraqi Kurds, entering Syria, fighting Kuwait, etc.

Nobody here wants to invade Kuwait.

Iraq is already present in Eastern Syria in order to combat ISIS. Iraqi Kurds can easily be combated from the current Iraqi land that they occupy illegally. Erdogan/Turkey are in no position to threaten/dominate Iraq as well. Very realistic in fact.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I always found GCC countries to be rather close except for may be Oman who are a bit poorer and Yamen for unknown reasons (historic reasons I don't quite follow)

by the Way there are International Gruops active creating Fake Facebook / Twitter accounts to spread false news. GCC countries are better off to ban facebook/ Twitter in their region ASAP

GCC countries are generally better off to form a Federate state 1 United state of Arabia
اليهود مشغولون صنع الأسلحة والعرب ينامون

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Containing Erdogan, fighting the Iraqi Kurds, entering Syria, fighting Kuwait, etc.

I didn't suggest fighting Kuwait, I used it as an example to state the weak conventional military might.

Containing Erdogan isn't hard within the borders, for the ground battlespace it simply requires restoring military presence in those area's as pre-June 2014, for the airspace it requires air-defense systems and he'll be contained.

No need to fight Kurds, just overrun the trenches which won't result in a full blown war, even IS did that in Kerkuk which points out those trenches are no obstacle. There's no USAF to scatter the ISF/PMU as there is against IS, for the Pesh it is quite hard to halt large convoy(s) whom are at the disadvantage here thus trying to declare independence asap before the war on IS is over, it might not result in any serious clashes.

As for Syria, that would be an action with support and involvement of the US. Recently they deployed more SF at Al-Asad airbase in Anbar to launch the OP in Rawah, Ana and Al-Qaim moving towards the Syrian border. When Iraq conducted the airstrike in Syria it was with approval and intel support from the US, that points out they are willing to extend cooperation with the ISF into the Syrian battlespace. There have also been articles of the US asking for ISOF involvement in the Raqqa operation, although I rather not see that happen as they'd just be used for their experience to capture ground for the Kurds.

Each one of these are achievable and realistic except for invading Kuwait which I didn't suggest.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well I always found GCC countries to be rather close except for may be Oman who are a bit poorer and Yamen for unknown reasons (historic reasons I don't quite follow)

GGC is a political/economic organization. Founded in May 1981. It has nothing to do with the history of the Arabian Peninsula/Arabia.

Iraq also borders the Gulf and is an Arab country and could have been part of the GCC today (as was the plan) if not for the Iraq-Iran war and afterwards First Gulf War, sanctions and other negative events. Jordan could also easily have been a member state.

Oman and in particular Yemen are integral parts of Arabia on all fronts. They are not outside of anything. The only reason why Yemen is not a GGC member state (this organization means nothing when it comes to what is what here) is due to past events and most likely because Yemen is not a monarchy any longer. There is also the economic element here and the overall complexity of Yemen.

GCC is only a RECENT regional economic/political bloc that has now evolved. It has nothing to do with the history of Arabia, the Arab world, region etc. Also this organization's nature might change. For now it is a political/economic/military bloc of countries located in the Arabian Peninsula who are monarchies. Nothing more and nothing less. I support the GCC as a organization because it works towards the integration of Arab countries in the region and the Arab world is in need of more cooperation from within, staring from regional cooperation on all fronts. Such cooperation makes various regions stronger than if everyone was left to themselves.

I would advice you to read my posts in this thread. Everything is explained.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

I didn't suggest fighting Kuwait, I used it as an example to state the weak conventional military might.

Containing Erdogan isn't hard within the borders, for the ground battlespace it simply requires restoring military presence in those area's as pre-June 2014, for the airspace it requires air-defense systems and he'll be contained.

No need to fight Kurds, just overrun the trenches which won't result in a full blown war, even IS did that in Kerkuk which points out those trenches are no obstacle. There's no USAF to scatter the ISF/PMU as there is against IS, for the Pesh it is quite hard to halt large convoy(s) whom are at the disadvantage here thus trying to declare independence asap before the war on IS is over, it might not result in any serious clashes.

As for Syria, that would be an action with support and involvement of the US. Recently they deployed more SF at Al-Asad airbase in Anbar to launch the OP in Rawah, Ana and Al-Qaim moving towards the Syrian border.

Each one of these are achievable and realistic except for invading Kuwait which I didn't suggest.

The Americans won't like it if Iraq enters Syria because they know that's exactly what Iran wants. Iran wants Iraqi militias to enter Syria from the east in order to link up with government-held Deir ez-Zor and Palmyra. If that happens, then Tehran will once again have a land bridge connecting Iran with south Lebanon (i.e. Hezbollah) via Iraq and Syria. Trust me, that's the last thing America wants. The whole point of America's destabilization of Syria was to destroy the land link between Iran and southern Lebanon (Hezbollah territory).

Here's what America's going to do: it'll help the Syrian Kurdish-led faction (i.e. the SDF) move south towards Deir ez-Zor and the Euphrates river. At the same time, it'll help the Jordanian-led faction (i.e. the Southern Front) move north towards the Euphrates river. This will effectively get rid of ISIS from eastern Syria.

That's basically America's plan for stopping the Iranian-backed Iraqi militias from entering Syria from the east.

As for fighting the Iraqi Kurds, the thing you should bear in mind is that, unlike the PKK-affiliated Syrian Kurds, the Iraqi Kurds are backed by Erdogan/Turkey. Turkey views the Iraqi Kurds as a tool for Sunni influence in that country. They'll use them as counterweight against the Iranian-backed government in Baghdad. If Barzani loses, Turkey will lose its only influence in Iraq. This is why Turkish soldiers are currently in Iraqi Kurdistan. I don't think they're going to leave Iraqi Kurdistan anytime soon, and things will only get ugly if Baghdad tries to use force.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I didn't suggest fighting Kuwait, I used it as an example to state the weak conventional military might.

Containing Erdogan isn't hard within the borders, for the ground battlespace it simply requires restoring military presence in those area's as pre-June 2014, for the airspace it requires air-defense systems and he'll be contained.

No need to fight Kurds, just overrun the trenches which won't result in a full blown war, even IS did that in Kerkuk which points out those trenches are no obstacle. There's no USAF to scatter the ISF/PMU as there is against IS, for the Pesh it is quite hard to halt large convoy(s) whom are at the disadvantage here thus trying to declare independence asap before the war on IS is over, it might not result in any serious clashes.

As for Syria, that would be an action with support and involvement of the US. Recently they deployed more SF at Al-Asad airbase in Anbar to launch the OP in Rawah, Ana and Al-Qaim moving towards the Syrian border. When Iraq conducted the airstrike in Syria it was with approval and intel support from the US, that points out they are willing to extend cooperation with the ISF into the Syrian battlespace. There have also been articles of the US asking for ISOF involvement in the Raqqa operation, although I rather not see that happen as they'd just be used for their experience to capture ground for the Kurds.

Each one of these are achievable and realistic except for invading Kuwait which I didn't suggest.

Once ISIS is driven back to the deserts and isolated areas/villages and turns into small sleeper cells with tight organization and which in a worst case scenario are able to conduct a few terrorist attacks each month, (the number of terrorist attacks in many regions of Iraq, Baghdad in particular, have decreased significantly already) like we saw after the Americans left in December 2011 until the garbage went berserk in late 2013, I believe that KSA/GCC should/must/will be invited to (as talked about recently by Iraqi officials) help rebuilt areas once controlled by ISIS. KSA in particular could also play a key role in de-radicalicing locals who once supported ISIS by showing (sending officials, clerics, educational material - all such steps approved by the Iraqi government prior to taking place) them that fellow Arabs in particular neighboring Arab countries with a big influence in the Arab world (KSA for instance) are against such views.

Such cooperation could also open up for further political and economic cooperation and for security institutions to work together in order to restore stability and internal harmony.

Security coordination and cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Iraq, through border controls, to abort any terrorist operations including recruitment, smuggling and training in arms and explosives, carried out by ISIS or any other terrorist organization, would follow naturally.

It's all about trust and you have to start somewhere. The regimes in power should show an willingness to work for common goals for the sake of their people and the region's stability and future progress.

It should be evident for everyone that greater KSA/GCC-Iraq cooperation could lead to many positive things for all parties but especially Iraq which is in need of economic and infrastructural progress and also needs stable neighboring Arab partners. Iraq should not be limited to Jordan (when it comes to Arab neighbors) which can offer little and which unfortunately has many problems of its own. Not saying that the GCC does not have any problems but they are rather small compared to its neighbors or even the wider region/Muslim world.

Anyway there should definitely be a greater political, economic, educational, military etc. cooperation for sure.

Kuwait can also play an important role here and will play a role.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

The Americans won't like it if Iraq enters Syria because they know that's exactly what Iran wants. Iran wants Iraqi militias to enter Syria from the east in order to link up with government-held Deir ez-Zor and Palmyra. If that happens, then Tehran will once again have a land bridge connecting Iran with south Lebanon (i.e. Hezbollah) via Iraq and Syria. Trust me, that's the last thing America wants. The whole point of America's destabilization of Syria was to destroy the land link between Iran and southern Lebanon (Hezbollah territory).

Here's what America's going to do: it'll help the Syrian Kurdish-led faction (i.e. the SDF) move south towards Deir ez-Zor and the Euphrates river. At the same time, it'll help the Jordanian-led faction (i.e. the Southern Front) move north towards the Euphrates river. This will effectively get rid of ISIS from eastern Syria.

That's basically America's plan for stopping the Iranian-backed Iraqi militias from entering Syria from the east.

Don't care much about what force takes it from IS whether SAA or some other Syrian force, Kurds shouldn't take these Arab area's. I know you support the idea of Kurds taking it all, for some reason you adore the Kurds and celebrate when they Kurdify Arab area's, perhaps due to your non-Arab background. That won't continue forever though.

As for fighting the Iraqi Kurds, the thing you should bear in mind is that, unlike the PKK-affiliated Syrian Kurds, the Iraqi Kurds are backed by Erdogan/Turkey. Turkey views the Iraqi Kurds as a tool for Sunni influence in that country. They'll use them as counterweight against the Iranian-backed government in Baghdad. If Barzani loses, Turkey will lose its only influence in Iraq. This is why Turkish soldiers are currently in Iraqi Kurdistan. I don't think they're going to leave Iraqi Kurdistan anytime soon, and things will only get ugly if Baghdad tries to use force.

So what if Turkey backs barzanistan, if such an escalation were to occur they wouldn't be able to intervene. What exactly would they do if the ISF/PMU decide to overrun the trenches. Using airpower is their only deployable advantage and theoretically feasible in such a situation, are they going to strike major Qayyarah airbase which has large US presence? Where will they strike given that there's coalition presence in many other areas, will they disrupt operations against IS due to an internal dispute which gives them no right to intervention? That will anger the entire anti IS coalition which they won't take lightly. Then the ISF also has modern short range air defense systems. The PMU has already taken area's form the PUK in Kerkuk, Rudaw reported about this. Besides, the 'critical' disputed area is rather in PUK hands rather than the KDP, PUK which barely has relations with the west neither with Turkey.

Given these risks they're unwilling to take such action against the YPG in Syria, let alone against the ISF which presents a bigger challenge, involves more political risk and would require a major operation. Its too bad the current leaders are unlikely to adopt such policy, Saddam was better in this regards. Erdogan is a lot of barking but no confrontation, does nothing without US/Russian approval, Turkey is not that powerful militarily to successfully intervene here and there against state armies in such a complex battlefront (now wait for some angry attacks).

You should outgrow this love for Kurds, there are too many brain diseases in the middle east, viewing certain groups as superior and having extraordinary love for them even above your own people. Some look up to whites, some to 'Aryans' Kurds, some Kurds actually take pride if they have a whiter skin color than other middle easterners. Return to your Arab roots instead, Arabize any remaining Balochi remnants within you and await the big victory.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Don't care much about what force takes it from IS whether SAA or some other Syrian force, Kurds shouldn't take these Arab area's. I know you support the idea of Kurds taking it all, for some reason you adore the Kurds and celebrate when they Kurdify Arab area's, perhaps due to your non-Arab background. That won't continue forever though.

This is why you shouldn't assume things lol.

1. I don't support the Kurdification of Arab areas.

2. The YPG aren't Kurdifying Arab areas in the first place.

3. In fact, the UN recently confirmed that the YPG wasn't guilty of any war crime or ethnic cleansing.

4. The Syrian Democratic Forces (which the YPG is part of) are against the partitioning of Syria.

5. The SDF are secular, democratic and pluralistic. That's what makes their project in northern Syria so great.

6. The SDF/YPG are against Kurdish secession. Ironically, Erdogan's Kurdish allies (Barzani et al) are pro secession.

Anyway, your response has nothing to do with what I even said.

How will the Iraqis enter eastern Syria if the Americans won't allow it?

The whole point of Iraq entering Syria from the east is to rebuild the land bridge between Iran and Lebanon.

The Americans don't want this land bridge because they know Iran will use it to help Hezbollah.

So what if Turkey backs barzanistan, if such an escalation were to occur they wouldn't be able to intervene. What exactly would they do if the ISF/PMU decide to overrun the trenches. Using airpower is their only deployable advantage and theoretically feasible in such a situation, are they going to strike major Qayyarah airbase which has large US presence? Where will they strike given that there's coalition presence in many other areas, will they disrupt operations against IS due to an internal dispute which gives them no right to intervention? That will anger the entire anti IS coalition which they won't take lightly. Then the ISF also has modern short range air defense systems. The PMU has already taken area's form the PUK in Kerkuk, Rudaw reported about this. Besides, the 'critical' disputed area is rather in PUK hands rather than the KDP, PUK which barely has relations with the west neither with Turkey.

Given these risks they're unwilling to take such action against the YPG in Syria, let alone against the ISF which presents a bigger challenge, involves more political risk and would require a major operation. Its too bad the current leaders are unlikely to adopt such policy, Saddam was better in this regards.

Good luck containing Erdogan and his assholic friend Barzani.

I certainly won't lose any sleep if Erdogan and his cronies get their teeth kicked in.

But here's the problem:

1. The neocons in Washington are back in full swing.

2. These neocons are right now anti-Iran and (therefore) anti-Shia.

3. This means they don't really like the PMU even though they're cooperating with them against ISIS.

4. America won't turn a blind eye to Iranian-backed PMU attacks on the Sunni Kurds.

5. America views the Iraqi Kurds (really just Barzani's people) as a Sunni bulwark against Iran.

So how will the west tolerate PMU actions against the Kurds? It's simply not realistic.

Ultimately, it's America that's protecting Iraqi Kurdistan.

 

[BHarwana]

Okay now Saudis are against the Amir of Qatar. Soon USA will say we need a Regime Change and the Qatar will be the new Syria. Come on Saudis let the Muslims live man. What do you want seriously this is going to far. Is there any Muslim nation Saudis consider worth of self decision. I condemn the aggression against Qatar.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Kuwaiti Girl

This thread has turned into a completely other discussion/several other discussions.

Let us all eat a kleicha and leave it at that and hope for the best for Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, KSA and the entire region.

The Najdi/Qassimi version:





The Iraqi one:



And most importantly cooperation on all possible/important fronts such as economy, infrastructure, education, science, people to people relations, military, security etc.

If somebody is more hungry I suggest a Kabsa:



and masgouf



In fact we should do a food tour across the GCC and Iraq once and just eat and eat. Kuwait could be a culmination of the tour in terms of food portions.

Kurds are welcome to join but not Barzani.

Okay now Saudis are against the Amir of Qatar. Soon USA will say we need a Regime Change and the Qatar will be the new Syria. Come on Saudis let the Muslims live man. What do you want seriously this is going to far. Is there any Muslim nation Saudis consider worth of self decision. I condemn the aggression against Qatar.

Non-Arabs and their comments on Arab affairs. Priceless. Please continue, LOL. In fact while I write this post there are 100.000 angry civilian Saudi Arabians armed with rifles ready to invade Qatar and lynch the Qatari Emir and storm the Al-Jazeera studio. Aggression, LOL. Haha, man, you are a good comedian!

 

[BHarwana]

Non-Arabs and their comments on Arab affairs. Priceless. Please continue, LOL. In fact while I write this post there are 100.000 angry civilian Saudi Arabians armed with rifles ready to invade Qatar and lynch the Qatari Emir and storm the Al-Jazeera studio. Aggression, LOL. Haha, man, you are a good comedian!

But why are you against Qatar any way? Qatar just opted for an independent air defense system and is more allied to Turkey. What is going on man. Saudis aggression against Qatar is not acceptable.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

But why are you against Qatar any way? Qatar just opted for an independent air defense system and is more allied to Turkey. What is going on man. Saudis aggression against Qatar is not acceptable.

Why are you so stupid and posting so much nonsense and commenting on internal Arab affairs that you have no clue about? You really are a special case, are you not?

Qatar is part of the Peninsula Shield Force. I doubt that you are even aware of what that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Shield_Force

I suggest you go back to reading PissTV articles and save this thread. Natives are having interesting discussions here. Don't spoil it. Use the PissTV comment section to rant in.

EDIT: Clearly a lost case.

 

[BHarwana]

Why are you so stupid and posting so much nonsense and commenting on internal Arab affairs that you have no clue about? You really are a special case, are you not?

I have just asked you a simple question. Why is Saudia against Qatar. And what is this idotic attitude of Arab and non Arab. Are you a racist?

commenting on internal Arab affairs that you have no clue about?

Why did Saudis withdrew their ambassadors from Qatar in 2014 and same was done by UAE. Here read.
Saudi-Qatar tensions divide GCC
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/03/saudi-qatar-gcc-tensions-islamist.html
Do you really think the world is sleeping.

I also know about the Coup Attempt that is being prepared for Qatar.

Boy this is the new age every thing come on Media.

I know you want Abdullah to take Tamim's place and you Saudis have been cooking up with his father in UK.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

This thread has turned into a completely other discussion/several other discussions.

Let us all eat a kleicha and leave it at that and hope for the best for Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, KSA and the entire region.

The Najdi/Qassimi version:





The Iraqi one:



And most importantly cooperation on all possible/important fronts such as economy, infrastructure, education, science, people to people relations, military, security etc.

If somebody is more hungry I suggest a Kabsa:



and masgouf



In fact we should do a food tour across the GCC and Iraq once and just eat and eat. Kuwait could be a culmination of the tour in terms of food portions.

Kurds are welcome to join but not Barzani.

Can I join?