Saudis on Twitter launch a campaign against the emir of Qatar

[Saif al-Arab]

Qatar's proven natural gas reserves won't run out for another 135 years. If we take the untapped gas reserves into account, then it'll be much longer than that.

So Qatar's safe for at least a century or two.

Plus it's a small country with a very small local population, which makes it awfully easy for the rulers to govern and control.

The Qataris invited American troops into their country in the 1990s after Saudi Arabia and the UAE threatened to invade Qatar. And in 2014 they signed defense pacts with Turkey and Iran after renewed tensions between Qatar and the Saudis and Emiratis.

Saudi Arabia will never dare invade Qatar, otherwise it would've happened a long, long time ago.

It does not matter even if it took 1000 years. Qatar due to its small size and tiny population will and can never become a threat for KSA. Militarily, economically or in any other way. Remove the US base in Qatar and KSA could theoretically invade Qatar within 24 hours if it wanted to. That is why I say that the US is the only relevant party here.

Not that such an invasion would occur as it would be pointless and serve no purpose (rather the contrary) in terms of the natural and inevitable integration of Arabia into a single entity or a single strong federal state. Time will naturally guarantee such an event as it is absurd looking at this from all angles that we even have so many separate GCC countries when they should all belong to the same entity (nowadays) and are the same people. When this happens the current day rulers might no longer have any power and the entities as we know today might change. The most important thing here is for Arabia to act as an united bloc as this is a key for obvious reasons for everyone no matter which country they live in. Different dynasties have come and gone for millennia, different entities, nations etc. but Arabia will remain Arabia and so will all its historical regions. And I have the same opinion with other parts of the Arab world. That's all I care about. Outsiders will never understand this but most Arabs will. I would have loved to see KSA and Iraq becoming a part of the same entity once again like dozens upon dozens of times before in history.

Fact of the matter is that KSA-Qatar relations are solid and that what I wrote will occur if it is not already occurring.

P.S: The territory that is modern-day Qatar (a modern construct) was already controlled and ruled by dynasties originating from modern-day KSA for millennia. Even pre-Dilmun civilization (4000 BC - 538 BC).

Qatar for the past 1400 years was part of Islamic Caliphates (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid) originating from modern-day KSA (Hijaz) and kingdoms/dynasties such as the Usfurids, Ormus, the Bani Khalid tribe (that originates in KSA and which the ruling Al-Thani family belongs to who founded Qatar) and what is modern-day Qatar was also a part of the Emirate of Najd, Emirate of Diriyah before the Brits arrived to Eastern Arabia.

All Qataris look at KSA as an older brother and as their original homeland and they are very well aware of this, proud and openly acknowledge it as do native Emiratis, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis when it comes to either KSA and Yemen. They are all aware of the fact that their history did not begin 150 years ago or 45 years ago when the modern-day states that they currently inhabit emerged. There is a much deeper link which is very evident in a historical region such as Arabia were kinship, history, ancestry etc. plays such a big role even today let alone historically.

You will love this video btw:

https://twitter.com/x/status/854973226912501760

@TheCamelGuy

KSA and Iraq should make a deal once the Americans leave the region and put things back in order so to speak. We can't have tiny fiefdoms creating trouble potentially. No offense to the Qataris or Kuwaitis but we are only talking about leadership here as usual whenever any Arab country is discussed.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

You know, the most ironic thing about this thread is that it actually proves there's no such thing as Arab unity or Gulf unity for that matter rofl.

I started a thread to share something major that I've observed on social media over the last couple of days, and the first thing the Saudi members post in response is "may Saddam rest in peace" lmao.

If Saudis are going to write "may Saddam rest in peace" just because a thread they didn't like was created by a person from Kuwait, then this actually proves that Gulf/Arab unity is as mythical as unicorns.

Anyway, insulting the leaders of other Gulf countries is unprecedented. It's not part of Gulf Arab culture and tradition to be rude and nasty towards leaders of "brotherly" countries in public.

I have to hand it to the Qataris on twitter for handling the situation maturely and not responding with equally vulgar language.

But if the Saudi comments on twitter and on this forum (for that matter) are anything to go by, then I highly doubt we'll see genuine Gulf/Arabian integration anytime soon.

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Anyway, here's an interesting map of the cultural zones of the Arabian Peninsula and the surrounding regions:

 

[El Sidd]

You know, the most ironic thing about this thread is that it actually proves there's no such thing as Arab unity or Gulf unity for that matter rofl.

I started a thread to share something major that I've observed on social media over the last couple of days, and the first thing the Saudi members post in response is "may Saddam rest in peace" lmao.

If Saudis are going to write "may Saddam rest in peace" just because a thread they didn't like was created by a person from Kuwait, then this actually proves that Gulf/Arab unity is as mythical as unicorns.

Anyway, insulting the leaders of other Gulf countries is unprecedented. It's not part of Gulf Arab culture and tradition to be rude and nasty towards leaders of "brotherly" countries in public.

I have to hand it to the Qataris on twitter for handling the situation maturely and not responding with equally vulgar language.

But if the Saudi comments on twitter and on this forum (for that matter) are anything to go by, then I highly doubt we'll see genuine Gulf/Arabian integration anytime soon.

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Anyway, here's an interesting map of the cultural zones of the Arabian Peninsula and the surrounding regions:

Arabs do not need unity as in this moment of time. They need to just work together and co-exist sharing basic code of ethics. Long gone are the days of Pan-Arab nationalism which was just as mythical and fruitless.
Arabs should realize that their unity lies in their differences. Accept others and be accepted. The tribal culture which has deep seeded roots in the society will always prevail over any expansionist doctrine.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You know, the most ironic thing about this thread is that it actually proves there's no such thing as Arab unity or Gulf unity for that matter rofl.

I started a thread to share something major that I've observed on social media over the last couple of days, and the first thing the Saudi members post in response is "may Saddam rest in peace" lmao.

If Saudis are going to write "may Saddam rest in peace" just because a thread they didn't like was created by a person from Kuwait, then this actually proves that Gulf/Arab unity is as mythical as unicorns.

Anyway, insulting the leaders of other Gulf countries is unprecedented. It's not part of Gulf Arab culture and tradition to be rude and nasty towards leaders of "brotherly" countries in public.

I have to hand it to the Qataris on twitter for handling the situation maturely and not responding with equally vulgar language.

But if the Saudi comments on twitter and on this forum (for that matter) are anything to go by, then I highly doubt we'll see genuine Gulf/Arabian integration anytime soon.

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Anyway, here's an interesting map of the cultural zones of the Arabian Peninsula and the surrounding regions:

Arabia/GCC is already the most united region in the Arab and Muslim world (by far) when it comes to people-to-people relations and the GCC is also the strongest political bloc in the Muslim region by far. There is no hostility between people in the GCC or Arabia with the exception of the North/South divide in Yemen. For a region of this size, population, with so many resources (which always leads to conflict and competition normally) ancient and complex history, it is unprecedented.

As for this notion of no leaders in Arabia being insulted. This is a joke. Nobody outside of a few brainwashed people or the old generation look at their leaders as some kind of infallible holy figures. The young generation (70% of the population in all of Arabia nowadays) care much more about results and what the rulers can offer them and most importantly about the nation/people/soil they belong to.

In KSA clerics and rulers (outside of the King who is mostly always respected depending on how he is doing - King Salman is very respected due to his long track record) are insulted on a daily basis on social media by Saudi Arabians.

I for once respect certain leaders in the GCC and Arabia while I could not care less for others. Not only that for all I care the current leaders could all be removed tomorrow and life would continue.

As I said there have been 100's upon 100's of various dynasties in Arabia (probably more than anywhere else historically) and 100's of different entities and nation states throughout the many millennia of recorded history but Arabia has remained Arabia and so have its historical regions. It is the future of Arabia and its peoples that we care about before anything else (the majority of us) not the current dynasties in power. Same goes for the entire Arab world. That does not mean that we don't respect our current-nation states and rulers (by large) but they should not be free from criticism and once criticized this criticism is aimed at the rulers not the people in for instance KSA, Qatar, Iraq or elsewhere. People who cannot accept criticism of their leaders should go and live in some cave in the mountains or somewhere isolated in the desert where they will encounter nobody.

Arabs do not need unity as in this moment of time. They need to just work together and co-exist sharing basic code of ethics. Long gone are the days of Pan-Arab nationalism which was just as mythical and fruitless.
Arabs should realize that their unity lies in their differences. Accept others and be accepted. The tribal culture which has deep seeded roots in the society will always prevail over any expansionist doctrine.

With all due respect, let Arabs do what is Arab (Arab affairs are the affairs of Arabs and we will shape the future as we have always done) and let vague inaccurate conceptions (often deriving from the thoughts of foreigners who have little knowledge about such topics naturally) remain as that. However I do agree with your comment about "unity lying in the differences". That goes for every country and society and transcends almost all layers of life. This is no different in any Arab country where there is diversity which is the case with most, in the GCC/Arabia certainly as well.

 

[El Sidd]

Arabia/GCC is already the most united region in the Arab and Muslim world (by far) when it comes to people-to-people relations and the GCC is also the strongest political bloc in the Muslim region by far. There is no hostility between people in the GCC or Arabia with the exception of the North/South divide in Yemen. For a region of this size, population, with so many resources (which always leads to conflict and competition normally) ancient and complex history, it is unprecedented.

As for this notion of no leaders in Arabia being insulted. This is a joke. Nobody outside of a few brainwashed people or the old generation look at their leaders as some kind of infallible holy figures. The young generation (70% of the population in all of Arabia nowadays) care much more about results and what the rulers can offer them and most importantly about the nation/people/soil they belong to.

In KSA clerics and rulers (outside of the King who is mostly always respected depending on how he is doing - King Salman is very respected due to his long track record) are insulted on a daily basis on social media by Saudi Arabians.

I for once respect certain leaders in the GCC and Arabia while I could not care less for others. Not only that for all I care the current leaders could all be removed tomorrow and life would continue.

As I said there have been 100's upon 100's of various dynasties in Arabia (probably more than anywhere else historically) and 100's of different entities and nation states throughout the many millennia of recorded history but Arabia has remained Arabia and so have its historical regions. It is the future of Arabia and its peoples that we care about before anything else (the majority of us) not the current dynasties in power. Same goes for the entire Arab world. That does not mean that we don't respect our current-nation states and rulers (by large) but they should not be free from criticism and once criticized this criticism is aimed at the rulers not the people in for instance KSA, Qatar, Iraq or elsewhere. People who cannot accept criticism of their leaders should go and live in some cave in the mountains or somewhere isolated in the desert where they will encounter nobody.



With all due respect, let Arabs do what is Arab (Arab affairs are the affairs of Arabs and we will shape the future as we have always done) and let vague inaccurate conceptions (often deriving from the thoughts of foreigners who have little knowledge about such topics naturally) remain as that. However I do agree with your comment about "unity lying in the differences". That goes for every country and society and transcends almost all layers of life. This is no different in any Arab country where there is diversity which is the case with most, in the GCC/Arabia certainly as well.

Lets agree to disagree on this. I respect the difference in opinion.
We shall see soon enough where the Arabs are heading just like every other nation of the world.

 

[HAIDER]

Over the past couple of days, Saudis on Twitter have been using the hashtag "
#ياتميم_كذاب_مثل_ابوك" (translation: Oh Tamim, you are a liar like your father) to express their anger at the emir of Qatar over the way that Al-Jazeera TV reported the deaths of the 12 Saudi soldiers in Yemen.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ياتميم_كذاب_مثل_ابوك?src=tren

I guess the tensions between Saudi Arabia and Qatar have escalated again.

The hashtag is trending globally right now.

Seems Saudi are jealous due to Qatari wealth .... lol ...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Seems Saudi are jealous due to Qatari wealth .... lol ...

What is there to be jealous about exactly? First of all Qataris are the exact same people like Saudi Arabians. All native Arab Qataris, including the ruling family (Al-Thani) are originally from KSA. Secondly Qatar is 60 times smaller than the Eastern Province of KSA that it borders. When it comes to natural resources and almost everything else KSA is way ahead of Qatar.

As for Qataris being rich, they are rich indeed, very rich in fact (the richest in the world per capita) but Saudi Arabians are not exactly poor either (lol) and Saudi Arabians would have been even richer than Qataris if we had a native population of 320.000 instead of 25 million (and growing).

Lastly there are no tensions at all between KSA and Qatar.

P.S: You should read my posts in this thread. It will give you knowledge bro.

 

[HAIDER]

What is there to be jealous about exactly? First of all Qataris are the exact same people like Saudi Arabians. All native Arab Qataris, including the ruling family (Al-Thani) are originally from KSA. Secondly Qatar is 60 times smaller than the Eastern Province of KSA that it borders. When it comes to natural resources and almost everything else KSA is way ahead of Qatar.

As for Qataris being rich, they are rich indeed, very rich in fact (the richest in the world per capita) but Saudi Arabians are not exactly poor either (lol) and Saudi Arabians would have been even richer than Qataris if we had a native population of 320.000 instead of 25 million (and growing).

Lastly there are no tensions at all between KSA and Qatar.

P.S: You should read my posts in this thread. It will give you knowledge bro.

Just kidding, all I know Qatari are filthy rich compare to rest of GCC.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Just kidding, all I know Qatari are filthy rich compare to rest of GCC.

I know. Anyway I like Qatar personally (the country and people) and it is quite underrated with more to it than just Doha. Nature wise in particular. It is a "cosy" (in lack of better words) small peninsula that is part of the world's biggest peninsula (Arabian Peninsula).

Check this thread out. There are quite a few photos of Qatar there.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-arabian-peninsula-and-arab-world-in-photos.280918/

It is a small country compared to most countries in Arabia and in particular KSA (12 largest country in the world) but Qatar is actually larger than Lebanon and larger than a nation such as Cyprus. So it's all about perspectives.

And they are filthy rich due to their small numbers (320.000) and the fact that Qatar has the third largest proven natural gas reserves in the world. I look at native Qataris as one big family. Almost everyone (if not all) are related with each other.

Overall expect for a few policies that I disagree with, Qatar is a very valuable Arab nation and they do a lot of good for Arab culture and other areas so I will never say anything bad about Qataris as a people.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

When I started this thread, I genuinely had no intention of hurting the feelings of the Saudi members around here, particularly Al-Hasani, who I like.

I just found it very interesting that something unprecedented was happening on social media between Saudis and Qataris.

Anyway I've said many times in the past that there's a rivalry going on right now between the UAE and Saudi Arabia on one side and Qatar on the other side. We can see this rivalry playing out in places like Libya between the radical Islamists (backed by Qatar and Turkey) and general Haftar (backed by Egypt, the UAE and KSA).

Although Iran and Qatar disagree with each other in Syria, the Iranians occasionally flirt with the Qataris and Turks in places like Libya, Egypt (during Morsi's era) and Sudan.

Personally, I like the UAE's regional goals since they're more economic-oriented and compatible with globalization, etc. I don't really like Qatar's pro-Muslim Brotherhood foreign policy.

But make no mistake about it, there's definitely a lot of tension right now between Qatar on one side and the Emiratis and Saudis on the other side. This is precisely why the Qataris signed extremely controversial defense pacts with Turkey and Iran back in 2014. And I mean extremely controversial! The agreements include Iranian naval and Turkish land presence in Qatar. From a GCC perspective, this really does undermine the whole purpose of Gulf integration and cooperation. Even Oman hasn't gone that far.

But anyway, this is the nature of geopolitics. Qatar cares about its own existence and does what it sees fit, even though a lot of what it does isn't liked by its neighbors. So I'm not going to demonize Qatar about this. I'm just telling it like it is.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Kuwaiti Girl

You are reading too much into overall small disagreements. Qatar is firmly placed in the GCC/Arabia geographically, culturally, ethnically, politically, economically, historically and Qatar's future and destiny is shared with all of us. Various different Qataris rulers might pursue various different policies at any given time but ultimately it all goes back to what I wrote which is why I don't take the current regimes and their policies as something God-given that will continue forever because it won't.

As for Iranian military presence in Qatar, do you even remotely believe in such nonsense?

Also no offense but at least from the point of KSA, you are looking at those events that you mentioned, from the view/policies of the previous regime (King Abdullah). As you might know, the current regime (King Salman) is very close to Turkey and the disagreements with Qatar have also been solved under King Salman. In any case the destiny of the GCC/Arabia is shared by all thus we will naturally see closer cooperation with all parties. This is also what the vast, vast majority of all people call for actively.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

@TheCamelGuy

KSA and Iraq should make a deal once the Americans leave the region and put things back in order so to speak. We can't have tiny fiefdoms creating trouble potentially. No offense to the Qataris or Kuwaitis but we are only talking about leadership here as usual whenever any Arab country is discussed.

When will Americans leave? It's highly likely that they will keep this sizeable 5000 troop military presence in Iraq for 10 more years. They seem to want permanent access to Al Asad airbase.

Currently its too busy to do anything like that, after the conventional war on IS is over they'll be conducting COIN operations/raids and massing on the Syrian border to defend and possibly extend the war on IS through there. They'll also be attempting to overrun Kurdish trenches.

There's a lack of conventional weapons, the F-16's aren't equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM and anti radiation missiles. There's no 'strategic' weapons in the inventory as there was in the 80's and 90's, it's not a powerful militarily when it comes to other countries, small Kuwait has far better weapons meaning they would likely win an encounter over the open desert whether on land or air. (besides to make it clear, that's just to state the military situation, I don't believe in invading kuwait).

The Kurdish problem has to be dealt with, dictator erdogan needs to be contained.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

When will Americans leave? It's highly likely that they will keep this sizeable 5000 troop military presence in Iraq for 10 more years. They seem to want permanent access to Al Asad airbase.

Currently its too busy to do anything like that, after the conventional war on IS is over they'll be conducting COIN operations/raids and massing on the Syrian border to defend and possibly extend the war on IS through there. They'll also be attempting to overrun Kurdish trenches.

There's a lack of conventional weapons, the F-16's aren't equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM and anti radiation missiles. There's no 'strategic' weapons in the inventory as there was in the 80's and 90's, it's not a powerful militarily when it comes to other countries, small Kuwait has far better weapons meaning they would likely win an encounter over the open desert whether on land or air.

The Kurdish problem has to be dealt with, dictator erdogan needs to be contained.

Yeah good luck with that lol.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Yeah good luck with that lol.

With what exactly

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

With what exactly

Containing Erdogan, fighting the Iraqi Kurds, entering Syria, fighting Kuwait, etc.