Saudia, Bahrain, UAE & Egypt cut diplomatic ties with Qatar

[Gothic]

Deep in the Gulf waters between Qatar and Iran lies the world's largest gas field, a 9,700-sq-km expanse that holds at least 43 trillion cubic metres of gas reserves.

Qatar's southern portion is known as North Field, while Iran's slice to the north is called South Pars. The two countries share exploration rights in the area, and it is one of many ties that bind them.

But Doha's relationship with Tehran has been put to a new test on Monday, after Iran's regional rival Saudi Arabia led four other countries in cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar, accusing its fellow Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member of undermining security in the region by siding with Iran, among other actions.

Saudi also urged "all brotherly countries and companies" to follow its lead in isolating Qatar, a call that GCC members Kuwait and Oman have so far sidestepped.

Saudi Arabia has claimed that Qatar is supporting "Iranian-backed terrorist groups" in the Saudi province of Qatif and in Bahrain, accusations that Doha called a "campaign of lies that have reached the point of complete fabrication".


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/06/qatar-gulf-rift-iran-factor-170605102522955.html

 

[Saif al-Arab]

They handle domestic affairs relatively well, if we are to ignore political self determination/freedom and social reforms. But, handle regional and political matters poorly. This goes for most governments in the region too.

The self-determination/freedom and social reforms part is changing for the better in KSA and the GCC and will only accelerate once the new generation reaches power (aside from the natural political and social reforms that the people/society will be behind) and the old one (that have been in power for a very long time or at least are part of the same generation that has had power in the past 40 years at least) is replaced.

Regional matters are handled poorly because there is limited unity in the region and few power centers and the few power centers that exist often more than not have different viewpoints so this tends to create a big mess.

What is needed, I am talking about the Arab world which is my main priority and what I know best about (however the same can be said about much of the Muslim world and developing world), is for the Arab world to develop strong regional blocs. One strong Arab Maghrebi bloc (look for instance at the silly disputes that Morocco and Algeria have with each other), an bloc centered around Egypt, another centered around KSA/GCC and another one centered around Sham/Iraq. The latter two can either join the KSA/GCC bloc (Iraq for instance as would have been the case if not for history talking a slightly different turn) and Sham can join the Egyptian bloc or the KSA/GCC bloc. What is needed here is a policy, although there will always be differences, that benefits more than it hurts. For instance, with all due respect to Qatar, that 200.000 big country, which I have no problem with, I have absolutely nothing against Qataris rather the opposite, we cannot have such a small country pissing off most of the Arab world. Something must be wrong if that becomes the case. Such disputes should be solved, which I am sure that they will, and the GCC might even grow stronger after such experiences. What does not kill you makes you stronger and all that.

However the central theme here is empowering the people. Once that happens the aspirations of the Arab people (which are more or less similar regardless of identity and ideology and which all call for closer cooperation for the benefit of all) can be met and we can openly work for our mutually shared goals or have peaceful disagreements and try to convince others of joining our visions etc.

This will eventually happen as that is where the development is going in not only the Arab and Muslim world but the entire world. Some reactionary politicians being elected here and there in the West and elsewhere won't change this development. At least not in the Arab/Muslim world.

This won't happen in the near future if the regions continues to be volatile and if the regimes in power become reactionary. However even if that would occur, it would have an expiry date as this cannot continue for much longer. It's not foreseeable.

I am glad to hear that you didn't intervene in this exchange, we may have our difference, but I know you are a respectful person, unlike @Malik Abdullah whose apparent education has failed him. After our exchange yesterday, I think you are misguided in your belief to trust the Al Saud family, however, I wouldn't deem you a slave to the house of Saud since you spoke of reform even though it was brief. Remember my anger toward the house of Saud has nothing to do with the good people of Saudi Arabia. Yesterday, in this very thread I criticized Iran and its policies and was bold enough to criticize Pakistan. I like to see that across the board so all Muslim countries can progress to become a strong bloc. Maybe you are right, I have no understanding of the Arab world, and social reform is happening at a slower pace, however, even if a dog dies under a Muslim ruler he would be held accountable on the day of judgment. We the people should demand better governance from our rulers which includes the Arabs who have so much potential.

Well, I respect knowledgeable users, even if I disagree with them strongly or even if I have had heated exchanges with them. That won't change. I never said that you have no "understanding of the Arab world". All I wrote is that some of your posts show a lack of knowledge on certain areas. Nothing else. Similarly I have no trouble admitting to the fact that I am ignorant about Pakistan compared to the average Pakistani despite knowing more about the country and people than most foreigners.

 

[BATMAN]

no i do not believe my officials , that's why i tried to shed light on this issue from the very start . our officials lie just like most officials only their lies make us , the ordinary iranians , a laughing stock to the whole world.

I agree your regime have no grounds of what they blame, but I have been following Qatar from while.
They really are the center piece of the big game being played in region, this includes Al-Jazeera, which was quite popular in Arab world in early 2000 but later it changed its design and every one noticed, its upto something. Than came Iraq invasion, surprisingly Al-Jazeera was there.
Qatar also had connections with post US invasion so called Talibans of Afghanistan.
During previous govt. of Pakistan Qatar was very active in Afghanistan, where we already have India, Iran, US, UK!!
It was the same time, when a new group TTP was formed, who also invaded Pakistan in same time.
Qatar is dubiously interested in Pakistan regime, ever since.

Did Qatari media side with Daesh by attacking MBC’s ‘Black Crows’?

 

[Gothic]

I agree your regime have no grounds of what they blame, but I have been following Qatar from while.
They really are the center piece of the big game being played in region, this includes Al-Jazeera, which was quite popular in Arab world in early 2000 but later it changed its design and every one noticed, its upto something. Than came Iraq invasion, surprisingly Al-Jazeera was there.
Qatar also had connections with post US invasion so called Talibans of Afghanistan.
During previous govt. of Pakistan Qatar was very active in Afghanistan, where we already have India, Iran, US, UK!!
It was the same time, when a new group TTP was formed, who also invaded Pakistan in same time.
Qatar is dubiously interested in Pakistan regime, ever since.

i think they are just being blamed for being modestly pro -iran and like i said stealing all the passengers from other gulf arab airlines . otherwise everyone knows the toyota's ISIS use don't come just from qatar they come from all over GCC . but like you said al-jazeera somewhere shifted their views from being pro-arab to somewhat neutral and that has more to do with yemen than syria imo.

and our regime is a laughing riot , it's just the summer heat that is distracting people , in the winter everyone laugh their butts out

 

[Falcon29]

@Saif al-Arab

Whatever it is, should include the MB, because I like their foreign policy angle(And concept of inclusiveness). If it doesn't, I don't see myself being favorable of these propositions. There will continue to be mistrust between many people in the region.

 

[Rasengan]

i think they are just being blamed for being modestly pro -iran and like i said stealing all the passengers from other gulf arab airlines . otherwise everyone knows the toyota's ISIS use don't come just from qatar they come from all over GCC . but like you said al-jazeera somewhere shifted their views from being pro-arab to somewhat neutral and that has more to do with yemen than syria imo.

and our regime is a laughing riot , it's just the summer heat that is distracting people , in the winter everyone laugh their butts out

I highly doubt the Al Saud family is severing its links from Qatar on airline competition that doesn't make any sense. Saudi Arabia can be criticized for funding groups in Syria, but what about the Mullah's of Iran, don't tell me they are all squeaky clean. They are sending fighters to protect a man who has blood on his hands. Have you watched some of the video's on Youtube? They are no different to ISIS, bunch of filthy cowards attacking innocent people in the name God.

 

[The SC]

- A very powerful and unprecedented media attack followed by an economic siege on everything including the movement of civilians..

- The beneficiaries of this will be the European countries where Qatar Investments are based and which will certainly be hold..

- So it is most likely that the next stage will be changing the rulers of Qatar and it will be fast..

- There will be no acceptance of any peace so as not to allow international sanctions on Qatar..

- The problem is whether it will be peaceful or will it need a military intervention..

- Especially when the US is not defending Qatar, but to the contrary, accusing it along the other Middle Eastern nations who have sanctioned it..

 

[-SINAN-]

KSA did not fund Uighur, it is turkey who is the snake behind xinjiang
But they will pay the price

Both KSA and Turkey. CIA and NATO.

They want peace in their own country, and chaos in others. And they clam themself as the victim of the terrorism, WTF?

Salafist and Eastern Turkestan is the real terrorists.

It's funny that nobody sees fault in themselves. It's always the foreign nations's fault. Even people across the ocean think in this way...

@mike2000 is back

 

[Gothic]

I highly doubt the Al Saud family is severing its links from Qatar on airline competition that doesn't make any sense. Saudi Arabia can be criticized for funding groups in Syria, but what about the Mullah's of Iran, don't tell me they are all squeaky clean. They are sending fighters to protect a man who has blood on his hands. Have you watched some of the video's on Youtube? They are no different to ISIS, bunch of filthy cowards attacking innocent people in the name God.

i'm not trying to make the mullas of iran look good , anyhow and by no means , but what planes and who are you referring to ? are you trying to say the mullas sent planes to protect the emir of qatar , cause that's hilarious.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab

Whatever it is, should include the MB, because I like their foreign policy angle(And concept of inclusiveness). If it doesn't, I don't see myself being favorable of these propositions. There will continue to be mistrust between many people in the region.

MB will be and should be included. As will all other political groups and parties based on Islamic tenants. However they should be purely domestic and independent movements and not aligned to any foreign entities.

Indeed, USA is behind whole the mess in our region.
The reason why Al-Saud family is afraid of MB, is clear. They are worried about the survival of their illegal kingdom. 360 bn$ was a boot licking that Al-Saud family did and tried to receive Trump's warranty for their kingdom.
The irony, MB is a Sunni group. I'm not certifying whatever is the MB doing but it's goal is revolution against the monarchs who have a hands in the gloves of Usrael.
That was why Iranian FM is asking for dialogue and in fact to stopping the mad Saudis from waging an other war in the region. No one is happy with the current situation but USA will benefit and Israel will say cheers.

My Iranian buddy, as usual you have no clue about the Arab world that you are so obsessed about. Let me give you another history lesson. KSA was basically the country that helped save MB as we know it when Nasser tried to purge them. King Faisal welcomed almost all the most important Egyptian and other Arab (Syrian) MB figures and gave them asylum. Many still live in KSA and so do their families. Some have even become nationals. King Salman has no problem with MB or the various MB branches. He has a problem if they are used to hurt KSA.

Quit talking about wars. Some of you Iranians here and other foreigners are trying to do their utmost to make this bigger than it is and beat the drums of war and other nonsense. It is a deliberate rhetoric, which Israel also has used after this diplomatic raw, and we the people, can see right through it and it does not impress us nor fools us. It only strengthens our resolve against your likes.

@Falcon29 it's @mohammad45 and as you can see he is not changing his rhetoric even after being exposed by us and uses every opportunity to pursue it. As I said to him once, maybe this rhetoric will impress ignorant people but nothing else.

 

[Gothic]

Fuk off piece of zhit.
I am sick of morons like you.
@Serpentine Do something about this zhit.

well , like your name suggests you are a fake c*nt and i've reported you , so they probably will do something about you and not me

 

[Rasengan]

i'm not trying to make the mullas of iran look good , anyhow and by no means , but what planes and who are you referring to ? are you trying to say the mullas sent planes to protect the emir of qatar , cause that's hilarious.

Lol, no I was referring to your message when you said Qatar was stealing passengers from the other Gulf Airlines, hence why Saudi Arabia severed their links. It's nice to meet an Iranian who is critical of his leaders, there should be more people like you in the Muslim world to improve governance and have checks and balance.

 

[Gothic]

The guy is right and i previously said the reason.
Guys give me a break, i have to break my fast

Good bye for now

Man! your avatar, your attitudes and your logic is Israeli. I don't like you

It's israeli to your deformed maple syrup frozen canadian brain , get a brain . lumberjack

 

[Well.wisher]

Now which qatari shehzada will send nawaz sharif a letter ! ?

 

[BATMAN]

The reason why Al-Saud family is afraid of MB, is clear.

How is MB a global revolution ? I doubt you have ever been to Egypt in your life!
Iranian FM is talking from his hips, which has no link to the parallel you are drawing on your forum.
How US will benefit out of it..? I fail to understand!
Actually US has no gains in it, neither Israel has some thing to cheer over this bust.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1110871/world
Qatar was always on wrong track, but its direct connections with terrorists has been exposed only now, which actually implicate US and Indians as well.
Actually its not US alone who shall be held responsible for regional mess.
He need local partners, US always work with local partners.