Saudi preacher says Women 'provoke men to rape and harass them'.

[Baghial]

I wish we could pretend that this is just one harebrained misogynist who is not worth our attention but he actually epitomises a wider societal tendency to victim blame and normalise rape and therefore this insidious rhetoric needs to be called out.

This Saudi preacher said “I swear to God, women are the cause of harassment and adultery. A woman who leaves her house wearing make-up and perfume is an adulteress'. Apparently it is women who, through their clothing and lifestyle, ‘make men go mad’ and cause the rape themselves so ‘don’t blame men’.

If your natural bodily response to the sight of make up or smell of perfume is an urge to rape the woman then you should either castrate yourself or lock yourself up in a cage, far, far from the nearest female population. Or better yet, do both.

How many times was he harassed by women?

 

[Vortex]

Islam was revealed in a community which was used to bury girls alive.... 14 centuries after, those people doesn't understand Islam correctely... for the sake of example : let admits that women invite for rape (i disagree totally with this statement), doesn't Islam teach us to control our nafs ? to control our animals instincts ? Oh yes maybe animal doesn't know that he is animal...

Hey saudi preacher (and all preacher from everywhere), if you are not able to express correctly what you mean, then do not express at all.
And before speaking, think 7 times about what your are to say (in french there is a say "tourne ta langue 7 fois avant de parler") .


You (ulema, molana, imam and preachers) are the very first people who bring fitna among us due to your distorted vision of Islam...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I've been reading everyone's post, and pretty disgusted how some could justify rape. So let me add clarification to the matter and my 2 cents.

A rape is a forceful act of sexual abuse which takes place without consent - be it emotional, physical or date rape. No means a NO.

Regarding a females attire, it may possibly 'attract' but does it justify or allow a rape? No. Blaming the victim of a crime is the stupidest thing.

Rape doesn't always fall upon attire, not so long ago a child (girl) who was at a bazaar in Pakistan was molested. Wait for it, she was criticised for her clothing, I'd like to point out this girl is 8. Can you tell me how an 8yr old could possibly scheme on luring a dirty old sexually frustrated fob at the counter, purely on the basis of she wore Western clothes?

Not so long ago in Americaa girl in the name of Nabra Hassanen was raped and murdered, let me also point out she was dressed in a full long Islamic attire.

Rape doesn't always equate to a females clothing. Has someone ever considered it may have something to do with:

- incorrect upbringing
- criminal record
- no ethics, moral or values in place
- a sense of kick of empowerment over Women
- anti-social tendencies
- wrong crowd.

Please tell me more how it's a Woman's fault?

Look at India. They were pretty "traditional" society till they adopted "liberalism" and tried to ape the west. The result is for all to see. They are now called rape capital of the world.

Liberalism, feminism , women empowerment, they are sold as nakedness.

I, in my personal capacity, would be a hypocrite if I say that I do not like to see the skin. But there are bigger issues here when we are talking about society as a whole. What we say, "dont feed the troll", womenfolk needs to realize where they are heading. These days, men are more covered then women, absolute lunacy!

 

[Cherokee]

Look at India. They were pretty "traditional" society till they adopted "liberalism" and tried to ape the west. The result is for all to see. They are now called rape capital of the world.

Liberalism, feminism , women empowerment, they are sold as nakedness.

I, in my personal capacity, would be a hypocrite if I say that I do not like to see the skin. But there are bigger issues here when we are talking about society as a whole. What we say, "dont feed the troll", womenfolk needs to realize where they are heading. These days, men are more covered then women, absolute lunacy!

lol, Pakistanis have higher rape per capita and being from UK you should be the last one to rake this issue.(hint rotherham, derby, newcastle, rochdale **** rapist gangs in UK).

 

[Taimoor Khan]

lol, Pakistanis have higher rape per capita and being from UK you should be the last one to rake this issue.(hint rotherham, derby, newcastle, rochdale **** rapist gangs in UK).

Higher rape per capita?? LOL . You are rape capital of the world sunhine. live with it!


As for the UK, those who are involved are locals, they have no connections with Pakistan neither the crime was committed in Pakistan. Irreverent Indian non sense.

 

[SQ8]

Typical overdose of culture into religion- half of these patriarchal thoughts are alien to Islam but sadly our insecure masses have been brainwashed from childhood to not question the bearded ones - the result is generations upon generations of provervial goats when it comes to religious thought.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Here is a very simple answer, Homo-Sapien is a mammal , and stimuli for the male is generally visual ques so it is by Nature.

People are dressing up pretty slutty in society and that is creating it a difficult place for safety

Now people can get rapped by dressing normally (none slutty) however , Its a jungle out there folk it is a jungle

It is a very tacky and controversial subject

Most people if they see a lady in bikini might not rape her etc completely normal but if you are in India it can happen

Most people in Western world know exactly what is the difference between a normal dress up and someone who is intentionally inviting trouble and most women openly talk between themselves too when they see someone dressed up slutty to steal their men

 

[Zibago]

Its like saying victims entice terrorists to kill them

 

[Well.wisher]

He's lying . I was in burkah , covered , I was still molested by an eye doctor . He touched my chest , I was naive nd young, at that time I was a very severe patient of depression didn't even know what happened , didn't feel anything . Thank God my father came at the moment , God saved me .
After some days , when I arrived my senses .. I realised nd did baddua for him nd Allah did take my revenge from him . Oh merciful !

At the same time , I have experienced some of the nicest men in my life too .

I've seen more nicest men than women in my life .
Oh I still love men .

 

[I S I]

In other news: Indian men rejoices.

 

[Mav3rick]

A load of Malarkey.
So according to you, no matter how a woman dresses, if it provokes your desires (which she or her dressing has nothing to do with in the first place) it is still a woman's fault?

I refuse to believe a normal human can make a statement such as the one in the bracket above. Dressing of a woman is directly proportional to it's influence on a man's desire.

As for fault, it is the man's fault for looking at the woman as he is forbidden to do so; at the same time it is the woman's fault for dressing provocatively. At the end of the day, the pious will lower his gaze and control his urges whereas the moderate will be provoked and the absolute evil will be incited even more.

That is the shittiest train of thought, the worst piece of thinking about women I have encountered. Why are they a necessity? How do you even justify that retarded way of thinking is beyond me!

The first woman was born to provide companionship to man. There is literally nothing more that anyone needs to say.

Really? You have no aptitude for numbers and statistics, let alone awareness to what actually happens!

No, I have an understanding of how men think and how they act or control their impulses, urges and desires. A pious women will act as such and will be treated with respect.

Again very absurd and turdish peice of talk.
So a Muslim, who is well settled in the west and adapted to the lifestyle here has a different set of morals from one who has settled in KSA and adapted their customs and traditions?
See the contradiction of your statement?

Suddenly we need to bring religion into the argument? Whereas I was speaking in general terms.

Anyway, a devout Muslim who has settled in the west and has adapted the lifestyle there would still dress as per Islamic guidelines which would still be perfectly inline with the west as there is no bar on dressing in decent clothes; and so will have the same morals as a adherent Muslim in KSA.

See how my sentence made perfect sense even before?

Yes. Now scoot and go play ball with your friends!

Again, let the adults talk now.

 

[Well.wisher]

The preacher's overall message is spot on . He may have failed to articulate his message properly but even if he did articulate it in a much more linient language people like @Divergent and @Vapnope would still find faults in him simply because he is a muslim who does NOT speak the language of the religion of liberalism & feminism.

Sadly Muslims due to lack of religious knowledge nowadays do NOT know lot of common sense injunctions of their religion.

Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Any woman who puts on perfume and passes by people so that they can smell her fragrance is a zaaniyah.”

Narrated by Imam Ahmad (19212) and al-Nasaa’i (5126); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘.

I am pretty sure alleged predators like Harvey Weinstein (allegedly) only raped & harassed women who made themselves available to him with skin tight clothes and seducing perfumes. Yes rape and sexual harassment is an heinous crime that should have severe social and legal deterrence and consequences but the modern liberal secular society directly facilitates such crimes with the the ideas and values they promote.



WHat the hell is misogyny? I am pretty sure the preacher and his audience in question has much more common sense and moral conscience than ignorant subhumans who regurgitate words they picked up from prevailing western social discourse without even understanding their origins and what they entail? SUbhumans are those without a brain to think for themselves and who just go which ever way the wind is blowing. The preacher in context is rather going against the predominant but flawed moral perception and cultural norms promoted by liberalism. This shows the preacher has an intellect far surpassing liberal secularist subhumans in Muslim lands.



Human nature and biology does NOT conform to the non-sense of feminism and liberal and feminist sensitivities. Allah (swt) created humans with certain basic instincts and requirements and He (swt) in His divine wisdom also ordained laws regulating how the human society should express those instincts and meet requirements. The preacher ,notwithstanding his lack of articulation , is simply stating & reminding people of those divine laws and norms.



Brother its not that relative if you discard the recent western socio-cultural chances promoted by ideas such feminism . If you just go back 60-70 years, western societies frowned upon women who dressed immodestly or flirted with strangers. It was beneath the stature of respectable middle class family to even conceive of extramarital affair and such acts were considered and shameful and undignified to the family. Islamic social ethics and morality perfectly syncs with traditional values & beliefs of all civilizations whether eastern or western with regards to acceptable sexual norms & gender behavior.

I feel sorry for your mother , sister n wife that you're actually agreeing with the animal .

My younger brother had same biased and judging views about women as he learned from the conservative people here .. till I gave him some hard slaps on his little , cute red face .. he's now come to sense .

 

[Divergent]

Typical overdose of culture into religion- half of these patriarchal thoughts are alien to Islam but sadly our insecure masses have been brainwashed from childhood to not question the bearded ones - the result is generations upon generations of provervial goats when it comes to religious thought.

Achhhaaa I didn't know that

There's a reason why the movie Verna is made and it's about Rape. Shoaib Manzoor tackles social issues and this is one of them.

I feel sorry for your mother , sister n wife that you're actually agreeing with the animal .

My younger brother had same biased and judging views about women as he learned from the conservative people here .. till I gave him some hard slaps on his little , cute red face .. he's now come to sense .

I've raised mine to respect Women. Thank goodness for his manners and general courtesy. My lil bubz MashaAllah.

 

[SQ8]

Achhhaaa I didn't know that

There's a reason why the movie Verna is made and it's about Rape. Shoaib Manzoor tackles social issues and this is one of them.



I've raised mine to respect Women. Thank goodness for his manners and general courtesy. My lil bubz MashaAllah.

Don’t be upset,Anoriexic people have IQ & comprehension issues as well so it’s not your fault.

 

[livingdead]

I feel sorry for your mother , sister n wife that you're actually agreeing with the animal .

My younger brother had same biased and judging views about women as he learned from the conservative people here .. till I gave him some hard slaps on his little , cute red face .. he's now come to sense .

would you 'come to your senses' and agree with his view if he slaps you?