Saudi outreach to Hamas part of wider effort against Iran

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Egypt is no longer important, it is sidelined in all Arab political affairs and is considered an annoyance. Sisi has no contact with Sinai inhabitants with exception of sending them bombs. He has no influence on them and can't stop their trade with Gaza.

then why were you crying about closing the tunnels ?and if you think you can act against our nation interests and it cant get worse you are wrong and you better start convincing isrealis to let goods get to gaza

 

[Falcon29]

then why were you crying about closing the tunnels ?and if you think you can act against our nation interests and it cant get worse you are wrong and you better start convincing isrealis to let goods get to gaza

You're talking to a man,men don't cry about anything. Egypt is crying about its devastated tourism industry. Gulf nations are giving you dozens of billions a year to stay afloat, if they withdraw it Egypt will collapse. Sisi's policy towards Gaza is counterproductive for himself, since tens of thousands of Egyptians lose their source of income. Gaza itself hasn't changed for decades, Sisi can't make it any worse.

Egypt is irrelevant nation under Sisi, he is surviving because he's at war with population and everyday arresting thousands and killing protestors to be able to keep Egypt out of media. If he stays or goes, trade with Gaza will always remain since Egyptians depend on it to survive. We know how to smuggle from all directions so don't worry for us.

Israel tried destroying Hamas, US tried, Fatah tried, Egypt tried, Arab world tried , now Iran tried , but to no avail. This is because God watches after his men, Hamas will go nowhere and will survive longer than all of you. Don't worry for them, worry about yourself. Everybody today is accepting Hamas as a reality that exists and will exist. Our people support Hamas, none of you can change that.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well I wonder when Iran tried to destroy Hamas ?

By the way don't mistake me I won't shed a tear if hamas get destroyed.

 

[Kaniska]

Well I wonder when Iran tried to destroy Hamas ?

By the way don't mistake me I won't shed a tear if hamas get destroyed.

Same thing even I am also wondering...Does it even worth for Iran to deal with such group who does not appriciate the sacrifices that was made by Iran for Palestine issue which is supposed be an issue of all the Muslim world than the Iran alone???

 

[T-Rex]

You're talking to a man,men don't cry about anything. Egypt is crying about its devastated tourism industry. Gulf nations are giving you dozens of billions a year to stay afloat, if they withdraw it Egypt will collapse. Sisi's policy towards Gaza is counterproductive for himself, since tens of thousands of Egyptians lose their source of income. Gaza itself hasn't changed for decades, Sisi can't make it any worse.

Egypt is irrelevant nation under Sisi, he is surviving because he's at war with population and everyday arresting thousands and killing protestors to be able to keep Egypt out of media. If he stays or goes, trade with Gaza will always remain since Egyptians depend on it to survive. We know how to smuggle from all directions so don't worry for us.

Israel tried destroying Hamas, US tried, Fatah tried, Egypt tried, Arab world tried , now Iran tried , but to no avail. This is because God watches after his men, Hamas will go nowhere and will survive longer than all of you. Don't worry for them, worry about yourself. Everybody today is accepting Hamas as a reality that exists and will exist. Our people support Hamas, none of you can change that.

That should shut this sisi sponsored terrorist for good but then again if they stop crawling like cockroaches life will be so boring!

Same thing even I am also wondering...Does it even worth for Iran to deal with such group who does not appriciate the sacrifices that was made by Iran for Palestine issue which is supposed be an issue of all the Muslim world than the Iran alone???

Isn't Hamas neutral as far as KSA and Iran are concerned? Has Hamas turned into a Saudi puppet? Why do you think the Saudi despots despise Hamas and Brotherhood? Being a sunni organization what else can Hamas do for Iran? Iran shouldn't have encouraged Asad to cling to power by hook or by crook. Iran should realise that instead of looking at Hamas suspiciously, after all, Hamas cannot be blamed for what's happening in Syria.

 

[بلندر]

Same thing even I am also wondering...Does it even worth for Iran to deal with such group who does not appriciate the sacrifices that was made by Iran for Palestine issue which is supposed be an issue of all the Muslim world than the Iran alone???

you don't understand most Arab mentality .... most of Arabs put their Arabism above Islam and like their Jew/Zion Cousin , consider themselves as Superior race ...

 

[Hindustani78]

Saudi Arabia says relations with Hamas have not changed after meeting | Zee News
Last Updated: Thursday, July 23, 2015 - 18:40

Dubai: Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir said on Thursday a visit to the kingdom last week by a Hamas delegation was religious rather than political and Saudi relations with the Iran-allied Palestinian group had not changed.


Saudi Arabia has for years regarded Hamas with intense suspicion because the Palestinian militant group is both a traditional ally of Iran and also an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement Riyadh has often seen as a threat.

"The visit of Hamas to the Saudi kingdom made by Khaled Meshaal and his colleagues (was a) visit to the holy city of Mecca ... The position of the kingdom with regards to Hamas has not changed," Jubeir said.

Jubeir described as inaccurate and exaggerated media reports that the visit was political in nature.

King Salman`s meeting on Friday with Meshaal was seen by regional analysts as part of a Saudi effort to shore up Arab unity in the face of a perceived threat from Iran that Riyadh believes has become more urgent since last week`s nuclear deal between Tehran and six world powers.

Although the Brotherhood, like Saudi Arabia, is Sunni Muslim, Riyadh distrusts it because it combines a call to conservative religious values that might appeal to the kingdom`s citizens with demands to replace dynastic rule with elections.

A Hamas source said the July 17 meeting, the first between the two sides for years, brought together top members of Hamas`s political wing with the Saudi king, crown prince and defence minister in a possible rapprochement between the conservative U.S.-allied kingdom. The political situation in the region was discussed at the meeting, the source said.

Hamas has ruled the Gaza Strip since 2007 after fighting a brief civil war with Fatah, its main Palestinian rival, and has waged three wars with Israel, which it has vowed to destroy.

Since Salman became king in January, he has stopped short of befriending the Brotherhood but worked to reduce tension with the movement`s own allies.

Specifically, he has strengthened Saudi ties with Turkey and Qatar and provided refuge for leaders of Islah, the Yemeni offshoot of the Brotherhood, after they fled the takeover of the capital Sanaa by Iran-backed Houthi forces.

By building rapport with Hamas, Riyadh might mollify some Brotherhood allies and make it harder for Iran to present itself as the region`s main defender of the Palestinians against Israel and to portray Saudi Arabia as covertly supporting Israel.

Reuters

 

[bdslph]

no one is Saudi arabia enemy
they are making the enemies them selves

 

[Hindustani78]

no one is Saudi arabia enemy
they are making the enemies them selves

GCC military block is like a problem for Syria.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Hamas needs to completely cut ties with Iran sooner or later. This is for a number of reasons:

1. Iran's agenda in region has centralized around it's national interests of solely aiding Shia movements in the Gulf and Levant which is causing controversy but also means Palestinian issue is minor to them. Therefore this relationship will just serve to demonize Hamas in Arab world.

2. Iran's support has already minimized, and Iran is instead funneling much funds to a small Shia group in Gaza. It gives them money to go around poor peoples homes promising them financial help if they embrace Shia sect. This tampering with our culture and religious beliefs is unacceptable and completely rejected by our society.

3. Even if you remain having ties, Iran doesn't find you important and will allocate minor military resources to you that can't cause drastic improvement in capabilities. Hamas largely will remain at same power level it has had since 2012. The only power increase occurred during Morsi/Mubarak era.

4. Increasingly dangerous ethnic war(Persians/Arabs) is becoming controversial and no longer limited to political sentiments. It has become ideological struggle as well. And as Sunni Arabs we are inclined towards Saudi Arabia.

Especially since Iran is solely trying to keep hold on Gaza in order to spread it's twelver ideology. Even if it cut ties with Hamas, it won't leave Gaza alone and instead try forcing Shiasm on it. It even favors this tiny Shia group over Islamic jihad. This little groups supporters mainly come from shias in Iraq and Iran.

Hazzy, I must tell you that I am happy that you have finally realized the demonic agenda that the so-called "Arab" Mullah's that are ruling Iran, have been pursuing in the Arab world since 1979. Something that the vast, vast majority of the 450 million Arabs realized long ago. They are pure poison basically. I tried to tell you this from the first day we "met" on this mad part of the internet, lol.

On the other hand it saddens me to say that the Arab regimes are responsible too. I don't see a serious push (yet) from them in regards to challenges that all Arab countries face nor do I see truly genuine attempts at cooperation which is absolutely crucial if the region has to change for the better. In a increasingly globalized world where cooperation is key, especially between brethren, neighbors and like-minded people, we see more divisions in the Arab world due to all the recent conflicts. Divisions that in many ways are fostered and fueled by regimes. How can such people claim to represent us and want the best for the region?

As I wrote in another thread. I lost the trust in all groups almost. Whatever their ideologies. I from now on will only bother my time with serious projects and people/organizations/political groups that truly want to change the status quo for the better.

Other than that having faith in the educated youth that are not too poisoned with all the ills, conflicts etc. of the region.

Whenever there is good news you hear twice as much bad news and you drown in that. In the end you are incapable of navigating around in the mess that is this part of the world. Once the center of the world for millenniums. Now an embarrassment to its name. Sad but true. It HAS to change.

We really should stop being selfish and look past our personal preferences to look at the wider picture. I might disagree with various fractions in the GCC, Arab world etc. but my hand should always be outreached to them as long as they want the same goals as me which is the improvement of the region based on sane cooperation.

You might disagree but secularism might be the solution to a lot of the ills that we see.

no one is Saudi arabia enemy (House of Saud)
they are making the enemies them selves

The House of Saud has many enemies within KSA and certainly in the immediate neighborhood. It's shocking to me that you cannot see this. Even friendly regimes do not fully trust each other. It's a joke really.

Believe me, one day they will be gone and the robots that worship them as sheep too. The solution is an elective system and secularism or just Islamic rule that is open for non-Islamists which traditionally also was the case.

If the status quo continues "most of the pro-status quo people" will only be that by name or due to political/social etc. pressure. Most will loose their patience like me. Some can't deal with the status quo and turn to Daesh or other extremes. It's all due to the ills. Have no illusions. Any sane Arab should speak about this again and again until the message reaches every household even the illiterate one!

Most ruling systems/rulers have failed miserably and the current generation in power. If this was an exam they would have failed for sure.

Lastly we as Arabs tend to be more obsessed/focused at finding differences among us whether in our own countries or the Arab world instead of cooperating on issues that are the need of the hour and that we can agree on. The fundamentals in other words.

The leaderships are to blame for that and not so much the common man and woman who wants what we all want. A stable and prosperous Arab world that once again can be an example like it was for millenniums for the world on major fronts of importance for human history.

We are connected on almost every front whether we like it or not and while most of us are mostly bothered with our own nation states it's impossible to ignore the neighborhood. A stable nation state and a stable neighborhood are two sides of the same coin. We see that today more than ever.

It's hard not to be negative and pessimistic nowadays but we all know that the potential is enormous and that there will come a time when things will kickstart and really improve. I would just wish that this occurred in our life time and as quickly as possible. For that there is a lot of work to do and a lot of people, especially people of power, should take a long look in the mirror at themselves and their actions. From rulers, to religious figures to the common man. Unfortunately selfishness and shortsightedness are major obstacles.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

You might disagree but secularism might be the solution to a lot of the ills that we see.

I'm glad you've seen the light, friend. A key component of a successful secularist society is ensuring that all have the right to religious freedom regardless of their denomination, so long they understand their freedom ends when others' freedom begins (this concept, in theory, applies to everyone in the society).

Lastly we as Arabs tend to be more obsessed/focused at finding differences among us whether in our own countries or the Arab world instead of cooperating on issues that are the need of the hour and that we can agree on. The fundamentals in other words.

The leaderships are to blame for that and not so much the common man and woman who wants what we all want. A stable and prosperous Arab world that once again can be an example like it was for millenniums for the world on major fronts of importance for human history.

We are connected on almost every front whether we like it or not and while most of us are mostly bothered with our own nation states it's impossible to ignore the neighborhood. A stable nation state and a stable neighborhood are two sides of the same coin. We see that today more than ever.

I noticed there are some parallels in what you're saying to this article by Queen Rania Al Abdullah ميزان المرء... | الملكة رانيا العبدالله give it a read if you have the time.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I'm glad you've seen the light, friend. A key component of a successful secularist society is ensuring that all have the right to religious freedom regardless of their denomination, so long they understand their freedom ends when others' freedom begins (this concept, in theory, applies to everyone in the society).

I noticed there are some parallels in what you're saying to this article by Queen Rania Al Abdullah ميزان المرء... | الملكة رانيا العبدالله give it a read if you have the time.

I have never been against secularism Ahmed. Secularism, at least the non-autocratic version that I have encountered in person whether in France, Denmark, the US or elsewhere, gives room to almost every viewpoint, including the Islamist one, as long as the fundamentals upon which state x or y is built upon are not threatened. The fundamentals in this case is the freedom for you as an individual to adhere to any non-violent ideology that you like whether it's Islamism or communism. If the Arab and Muslim world was more open to such a system I am sure that most of the ills or at least many of them would be removed. Not immediately but within a relatively short time span (1-2 generations). The same thing happened in Europe and the exact same transition.

Well, I am happy about that as I like Queen Rania a lot and the work she is doing. I will take a look at the article my friend.

Anyway the internet tends to make opinions appear drastic but I don't think that any knowledgeable person can misunderstand the essentials of my criticism whatever their ideology is and I would find it very much strange if any Arab opposed the need for changes.

I resurfaced for a while but I will leave PDF again. I simply don't have the time currently and there are unfortunately too many idiotic trolls as well. Cheers and I am looking forward to your reply @Falcon29 .