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Saudi nightmare comes true, Trump loses to Biden

Actually we are the one , fall from grace and beg them to extend there loan again ...so KSA has no need of pakistan it's rather reverse I believe...our country is more of american slave then KSA ..last I know KSA have not fight any war on behalf of usa on there land ..while we have many times and then complained that usa left us and didn't correspond out services well...being rationally relationship between them might be not that warm but again Usa will KSA as we all know due to its importance

They are not free loans we are paying interest on them , and besides we will return rest of their 2 billion as per media report.

Why do you think Pakistan is involved in Azerbaijan and Armenia conflict?

You call Pakistan slave, yet its Pakistan, according to yanks own admission throughout these years which supported Afghan Taliban against them? What kinda slavery is that in your understanding? And which war Saudi had to fight in their region on behalf of yanks when there is none? I think you are confused.

Look, I am strong believer in Islamic prophecies and how things are going in GCC, its all falling inline. We have to understand and adjust ourselves to face the eventualities.
 
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There is a misconception that Nixon abolished the gold standard and the US dollar is backed by thin air. Water always finds its own level and the same goes for value.

The US dollar is backed by oil via the assistance of the gulf states. However, due to renewable energy and solar technology adoption, this system is under some threat. Something needs to be found which will underpin the global currency.

The biggest grievance the US had against Germany is that they ceded the solar industry to china via tech transfer.

Under Trump there was an attempt to save the old order. Gulf states and Israel were supposed to go after Iran. A cold war against China and battle lines drawn up in Asia - Pompeo even suggested an alliance between the US and Russia to isolate china.

If china could be made an example, the Europeans and the rest of the world would fall in line due to fear. The oil industry could be saved till something in solar tech could be found where the US has exclusive control.

This was the idea, but it was always going to be a long shot. South Australia now runs 100% on solar. Perovskite based solar cells will improve solar efficiency to 60%. Battery tech is rapidly increasing.

If Biden does a 180 degree flip, I suspect a full force attempt to improve solar technology and an effort to find a US exclusivity.

The oil price is crashing and will continue to do so. All cars are more efficient now and major countries will ban gasoline based cars in a few years. The future is electric. The gulf monarchs must be concerned.

BTW, saudis showing Kashmir as an independent country is no small thing. The saudi's will not make such a statement without merit.

After the US leaves Afghanistan (if they do) they will need to move somewhere else - you never give up an entire region. Kashmir can provide a very good base as an independent country. The US can control Pak's water, keep India in control, get closer to Tibet, etc.

Are you saying the US will invade an independent Kashmir in the upcoming few years?
 
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Biden will force Saudi to end Qatar blockade

UAE F35 deal will get cancelled

Israel will be screwed when US lifts sanctions on Iran

Palestine will resume talks with US support

Israel annexation of West Bank is fucked

Syria will get worse as US supports Kurds again

Biden will antagonize Turkey and piss off Erdogan

Pakistan will finally finish Iran pipeline


If Saudis could buy Obama, then why did Obama sign Iran nuclear deal?

Saudis are scared, no question about it.


Sounds like a list of Iranian dreams, unfortunately the facts must be hard to swallow but US will continue to oppose Iran in favor of Israel. Without a fundamental shift, this won't change. The fact that Iran is weaker today than it was before a few months ago is also unfortunate for Iranians.

The only difference is that Turkey and KSA will be under the radar too, and US will do more to help India against Pakistan.
 
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So all the Israeli recognition came to nothing? Lol

Biden will restore Iranian deal, Israel got its recognition, Pakistan got pissed off with GCC.... what these camel jokies got in return?

Arab foreign policies are always destined to fail. They look to others as if there oil money will purchase friendship.
 
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Sounds like a list of Iranian dreams, unfortunately the facts must be hard to swallow but US will continue to oppose Iran in favor of Israel. Without a fundamental shift, this won't change. The fact that Iran is weaker today than it was before a few months ago is also unfortunate for Iranians.

The only difference is that Turkey and KSA will be under the radar too, and US will do more to help India against Pakistan.

I think next few years ahead will be best years for Iran since 1979. Next few years will be terrible for Israel and Saudi.

All of this is good for Pakistan because Iran and China will get stronger, so Pakistan will get stronger as well.

Pakistan's enemies Israel and Saudi will get weaker under Biden and that is also good for us.
 
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I think next few years ahead will be best years for Iran since 1979. Next few years will be terrible for Israel and Saudi.

All of this is good for Pakistan because Iran and China will get stronger, so Pakistan will get stronger as well.

Pakistan's enemies Israel and Saudi will get weaker under Biden and that is also good for us.

I see where you are coming from brother, but I disagree.

I see both Iran and KSA gang as unreliable and potentially destructive forces for Pakistan.

Pakistan really only needs China and Turkey/Azerbaycan.

We are used to going it alone.

I think KSA is being forced against us by US, but I don't see them as an open enemy per say.

Iranian relationship with India is also troubling.
 
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The Kingdom will be able to find common ground with any American administration but a Riyadh-based expert says his country will always prefer the Republicans, especially after the trauma inflicted on them by the Obama administration that bolstered Iran, the kingdom's staunch rival.
As the battle over the United States presidency has dragged on, few countries have been unaffected by the continuing tug-of-war - and Saudi Arabia is definitely not one of them.
The prevalent mood is that Riyadh wants President Donald Trump to be re-elected and, given what he did for Saudi Arabia in his four years in office, that desire is understandable.
It was Trump who vetoed the congressional bid to halt arms sales to the Gulf country, not to mention his pressure on Iran’s infamous nuclear programme which had kept many in Riyadh on their toes.
Past Trauma
Now that the Democrats are only one state away from the presidency, Washington's pro-Saudi policies are subject to change, and Ahmed Al Ibrahim, a Riyadh-based political analyst, says his country will not sit idly by watching how the US returns to President Obama's foreign policy.

Saudis could never live in peace with Obama's foreign policy. In 2011, with the eruption of the Arab Spring in Egypt, his administration supported the overthrow of the then-president, Hosni Mubarak - a staunch Saudi ally - and in doing so, gave a boost to the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical movement which is considered a terrorist organisation by Riyadh.
Several years later, Obama backtracked from his red-line policy on Syria and refrained from striking targets of the Syrian government, an Iranian ally, which raised eyebrows in Riyadh; then he entered into a deal with Iran, allowing it to continue with its nuclear project and lifted sanctions on the Islamic Republic.
Bleak Future?
Biden is expected to continue Obama's line and might even halt other processes started by Trump such as the Gulf's normalisation with Israel. But apart from a change in foreign policy, he might also take a different approach to the economy, something that can eventually harm Riyadh.
During his pre-election campaign, Biden has promised that the US under his leadership would move away from dependency on oil and gas, opting for green energy.
Such a move would mean losses of $1bn for Saudi Arabia that supplies 7 per cent of America's oil needs, after Canada and Mexico.
But Al Ibrahim downplays the significance of such a move, saying it could not harm Saudi interests.

Al Ibrahim says Riyadh can take a similar approach when it comes to foreign policy.

However, the analyst hopes relations with Washington will not hit a low ebb. But to prevent deterioration, Al Ibrahim believes Washington should respect the Saudi traditions and avoid snooping into its domestic affairs.
"All they need to do is to be a strong ally, be genuine with us, work with the Gulf Co-operation Council and be committed to the idea of hammering the threat of Iran in the region... but even if they don't do that, Biden and his administration are a temporary phenomenon and I believe that once they are gone in four years, the situation will improve."


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sputnik news Moscow , most reliable source for US related news .
 
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You are looking at it wrong.

Iran does not rely on US for security. Iran is an independent player that already acts by itself. Anything US does will only make it stronger. US is already an open enemy of Iran, if they continue that, nothing changes. If US decides to lift sanctions, Iran will benefit.

It is a win-win for Iran.

I am not sure in what universe GCC is stronger than Iran, that has never been true and probably never will be true. Simply put, Saudis nor any GCC country have the balls to take on Iran in any kind of capacity.

What experience do the Arabs have? Buying slaves to fight for them in proxy wars?

You have to remember, Iranians themselves directly fought in the brutal Iran-Iraq war. Saddam is dead and Iran is still here. Iranians know how to fight a real war and they have a long-term strategy, which is why they are dominating everywhere from Yemen to Iraq to Syria to Lebanon to Gaza. They have both the strategy and the experience of a battle hardened army that can take on the triple threat US, Saudi, and Israel at the same time. Iranians have got their enemies in the region surrounded from all sides because they how to play chess better than anyone else and outmaneuver their adversaries. They are a top 5 cyber power in the world, and the top missile power in the Middle East. They shot the most expensive surveillance drone in the world out of the sky and launched strikes at Aramco with impunity. There is a reason nobody messes with them.

A lot of people here don't know that Obama signed JCPOA not because he wanted peace but because a classified CIA intelligence report concluded that a US strike on Iran's nuclear facilities would be unsuccessful due to Iran's strong missile deterrence and special hardened concrete on its nuclear facilities that could withstand any US bunker buster. Even F35 or F22 was useless for Obama. He wanted to take out Iran's nuclear facilities with a military airstrike, but he couldn't so he had to sign JCPOA instead.

Iran doesn't need anyone's planes because they guarantee their own security with their own missiles and their own people. And it is the key to their independence. No amount of F35's will save GCC when they don't have the balls to use it. Iran has the balls to use their missiles and they have demonstrated this capacity multiple times to establish a clear deterrence to make their enemies think twice. GCC knows if they hit Iran once, Iran will hit back 3x. That is the difference.

Afghanistan and Azerbaycan didn't exactly work out as planned. Syria is fast also joining that category as Assad goes bankrupt and can't replay loans to Iran and Russia.

The Democratic party supports legal lawsuit against Saudi Arabia for the 9/12 attacks which were carried out by Saudis.

The Saudis are scared sh'tless of this ....

It is basically blackmail to keep KSA a puppet, otherwise they will end up sanctioned like Turkey and Iran.
 
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Arab foreign policies are always destined to fail. They look to others as if there oil money will purchase friendship.


Oil is losing it shine with each passing day. More over, there are many alternative producers of oil now. Once their biggest Market of oil, United states, now itself is a major oil producer and competitor.
 
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The US won’t dare to mess with KSA, these people fund the political parties there, I think this thread is made as a product of being anti Saudi.
How do people with ur minute IQ even make it through the day?, The US will not mess with the Saudis???, Saudis remain propped in power by the US, one signal and the Saudi crown will be wrapped up by local insurgencies. The last Saudi king who actually tried to resist the US was openly killed by the CIA. This is a vessel monarchy planted by the Brits after WW1 and taken over the Yanks after WW2. I
 
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How do people with ur minute IQ even make it through the day?, The US will not mess with the Saudis???, Saudis remain propped in power by the US, one signal and the Saudi crown will be wrapped up by local insurgencies. The last Saudi king who actually tried to resist the US was openly killed by the CIA. This is a vessel monarchy planted by the Brits after WW1 and taken over the Yanks after WW2. I
The Saudis lobby the decision makers in the US. Their money guarantees good business with the Republican and Democrat members and it buys them the media and provides campaign funds. No one would oppose who keeps him running smooth in office and provides a pool of molten gold. So: are the Saud owned by DC or vice versa? It’s the latter to me.
Mind that KSA also has a key to religiously oriented societies across the MENA, the US - like other countries - are partially managed by ones with interests and would like to have such friendly group.
 
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The Saudis lobby the decision makers in the US. Their money guarantees good business with the Republican and Democrat members and it buys them the media and provides campaign funds. No one would oppose who keeps him running smooth in office and provides a pool of molten gold. So: are the Saud owned by DC or vice versa? It’s the latter to me.
Mind that KSA also has a key to religiously oriented societies across the MENA, the US - like other countries - are partially managed by ones with interests and would like to have such friendly group.
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