What's new

Saudi donors most signifcant source of terrorism funding in Pakistan

KSA gov doesn't fund terrorism.

No?
They've supported the Mujahideen in the '80s.
They've supported Hamas since it's inception.
They've been directly involved in the Arab Spring and have given full support to the Muslim Brotherhood.

And it does not matter if they attempt to get rid of extremists in their own parts. The US also seems to have an anti-extremist policy when it comes to them being on their own soil, but has been involved in funding and supporting them in places like Syria.
 
.
No?
They've supported the Mujahideen in the '80s.
They've supported Hamas since it's inception.
They've been directly involved in the Arab Spring and have given full support to the Muslim Brotherhood.

And it does not matter if they attempt to get rid of extremists in their own parts. The US also seems to have an anti-extremist policy when it comes to them being on their own soil, but has been involved in funding and supporting them in places like Syria.
kid you getting to serious
FACTS?
they are behind the murder of YASIR AFFRAT
just dont miss school bus, ok
 
. . .
The Saudi Shadow
The Nation

Recent diplomacy between Riyadh and Islamabad reminds me of delinquents daring a hornet’s nest. Iran spared no moment to threaten Pakistan with a military raid while Russia was curt to caution Pakistan about meddling in Syria. Deep in trouble itself and grappling to fight insecurities created through non-state actors, how could Pakistan even think of becoming part of a dangerous game that failed three decades ago?

Pakistan has a historical propensity to nibble its space in big power rivalry, while its economic short cuts could make the temptation too lucrative to resist. But Pakistani policy planners need to realise that in the final analysis, the transition from an Afghan Jihad against godless communism to a liberation struggle of enlightened moderates in Syria is the name of the same game. The policy failed in Afghanistan and Indian Occupied Kashmir. It will fail in Syria but not before unleashing a new genre of non-state actors. As Benjamin Franklin said, ‘Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.’ Pakistan has remained a loser for the past three decades and must resist the forbidden fruit offered by a kingdom fast losing its credibility.

Saudi policy to reshape the Middle East after toppling Morsi in Egypt lost its steam in Syria because Putin intervened. However, the Saudis are convinced that success was just around the corner had President Obama not blinked first.

Disillusioned by the lack of US support and its thaw with Iran, the kingdom began contemplating its own shadow war. It toyed with the idea of enlisting Pakistan to train and arm Syrian rebels on the pattern of Afghan cooperation. However, it was forced to abandon the plan after the USA confronted it with incriminating information over terrorism. Still, old habits die hard. With slight modifications, Saudi Arabia is now advocating a sugar coated alternative laden with the same intentions. Eager, Saudi Arabia donned a soft face by sacking its terrorism czar and issuing an unprecedented royal decree that condemned terrorism. The effect was immediate. It ended reluctance on the part of President Obama to visit Saudi Arabia in March this year when this new idea backed by the French Civil-Military Complex could be endorsed or rejected.

Saudi Arabia does not wish to lose its position as a hegemon in the region where Iran is fast asserting its presence. The house of Saud will spare no effort to sell its win-win proposal with a moderate make-up. The plan seeks to soothe American nerves, appeases Israel and checkmates the Russo-Iranian influence. With triple objectives of containing Islamic extremism (Al Qaeda and its shadows, a paradigm shift but led still, by the Salafis), brining some relief to Palestine and the collapse of the current Syrian regime (read end of Russo-Iranian Influence), Saudi Arabia feels the act can be pulled off with the assistance of Pakistan, Jordon and France. Of course, the dirtiest role has been assigned to Pakistan. We are required to supply weapons and train so called moderate (read Salafi) militants against Syria, wielding a poor man’s stinger Anza. The wish list also includes renting over 30,000 Pakistani troops to address Saudi internal and external insecurities and pose a structural threat to Iran. The plan reflects Saudi callousness and insensitivity to the security of other countries; its the money that makes the mare go.

For over a year, Saudi Arabia had become an irritant for most countries involved in the Syrian conflict. It was officially and privately accused of sponsoring terrorism. Though Pakistan never raised the issue, whispers suggest that many militant groups in Pakistan had Saudi ideological and monetary support. The DNA is more than visible. To impose caution, USA confronted Saudi Arabia with a highly classified dossier of terrorist activities. Somehow the most incriminating and irrefutable contents got leaked showing Saudi terrorist foot prints in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Pakistan and Russia. The dossier is now known to Russia, China and Iran who could embarrass USA and France for supporting Saudi Arabia as sponsor of global terrorism at the UN Security Council. Saudi Arabia immediately embarked on the business of salvage.
Saudi Arabia plans to replace extremist jihadists with a so called moderate force of Salafi rebels who incrementally bring President Bashar Assad to his knees. In contrition for fermenting terrorism, a royal decree condemned Islamic Jihadist with known linkages to Al Qaeda (similar to US objectives of eliminating Al Qaeda). In addition, Saud Arabia disowned thousands of Saudi foot soldiers it pumped into Syria and Iraq. They have been told that to avoid execution back home, they are better off continuing their mission till death or to disperse to other fighting areas (Pakistan and Afghanistan). Pakistan’s geographical position will be used to checkmate Iran (Shia) and Russian influence in Afghanistan. To affirm that old habits are dead, Saudi Arabia has sent its terrorism guru Prince Bandar Bin Sultan on forced leave to the USA. The new chief Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, perfectly fits the American eye.

Fouad al-Ibrahim a reputed Middle East commentator for Al Akhbar presents a chilling assessment shared by many other analysts. “Saudi Arabia had mastered a double game. In public, it expressed a contrived strictness about the participation of Saudis in fighting abroad or collecting donations for al-Qaeda and its old and new subsidiaries. But in secret, money, men, and weapons were flooding the battlefields without any control.” He goes on to write, “Observers have gathered overwhelming evidence about the complicity of Saudi political, media, and religious institutions in the emigration of thousands of Saudis… prohibited from traveling abroad, except by special orders of the military leadership.” Some of them will find their way into Pakistan.

Saudi planners hope that the USA will buy the Saudi idea in return for Kerry’s Palestinian proposal. The proposal seeks the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state in return for a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital. Israel on its part has made clear that it will adjust its policies according to the larger US plan in the region, while Mahmood Abbas wants Saudi consent before he endorses. All this will come under discussion when President Obama visits Saudi Arabia in March.

Following the flurry of Saudi diplomacy, Pakistan has revised its position on Syria implying its willingness to be a minion and mercenary in exchange for riyals. Alternatively, Pakistan could slow down its operations (particularly Haqqani Group) and leave redressing its vulnerabilities for another day. In both cases it will directly affect Pakistan’s operations against militancy and invite more foreign interference. With a fast forming Russian, Chinese and Iranian nexus, Pakistan runs the risk of being regionally isolated and smitten.

The writer is a retired officer of Pakistan Army and a political economist
 
.
what do you expect people to do when they need to feed their families, a man will do anything to feed his kids.
Yes Saudi funding is to blame but look for the reasons why that Saudi funding gets a home in Pakistan, money buys suicide bombers, Imagine a guy taking money to blow himself up so his family can eat...so sad...This has nothing to do with Islam its pure economic

Sure - and the Saudi funding is flowing because they want to set up salafi fiefdom in our backyard.
 
.
DAWN

BAGHDAD: Saudi Arabia and Qatar are supporting militant groups in Iraq and have effectively declared war on the country, Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki said as nationwide violence left 15 dead on Saturday.


The rare direct attack on the Sunni Gulf powers, with Maliki also accusing Riyadh of supporting global terrorism, comes with Iraq embroiled in its worst prolonged period of bloodshed since 2008, with more than 1,800 people killed already this year, ahead of parliamentary elections due next month.

The bloodletting in Iraq, which shares a long border with Saudi Arabia, has been driven principally by widespread discontent among the country's Sunni Arab minority and by the civil war in neighbouring Syria.

In an interview with France 24 broadcast on Saturday, Maliki said the allegations that he was marginalising Sunnis were being pushed by “sectarians with ties to foreign agendas, with Saudi and Qatari incitement.”

Referring to the two countries, he said: “They are attacking Iraq, through Syria and in a direct way, and they announced war on Iraq, as they announced it on Syria, and unfortunately it is on a sectarian and political basis.”

“These two countries are primarily responsible for the sectarian, terrorist and security crisis of Iraq.”

He said Riyadh and Doha were providing political, financial and media support to militant groups and accused them of “buying weapons for the benefit of these terrorist organisations.”

Dangerous Saudi stance

In the interview, Maliki also accused Saudi Arabia of supporting global terrorism, both inside the Arab world and in other countries.

He slammed “the dangerous Saudi stance” of supporting “terrorism in the world -- it supports it in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, and Libya and even in countries outside the Arab world.”


Maliki in January blamed “diabolical” and “treacherous” Arab countries but has consistently refused to point directly at particular states.

But as violence has worsened markedly in Iraq -- the death toll from violence last month was more than double that of February 2013 -- and with elections due on April 30, Maliki has taken a hard line, pushing security operations against militants.

He has also called for greater coordination against militancy, with Baghdad due to host an international counter-terrorism conference on March 12.
 
Last edited:
.
@TalibanSwatter some pseudo liberals & wahabists criticize Musharraf for selling "sons" of Pakistan to others and getting paid like mercenaries to fight war for Americans but
the same people miss out the news of TTP in Iraq and Syria.

there are news that even a training camp has been named as Ghazi Abdul Rashid of red mosque ("one who didnt get away") in Iraq.
 
.
elements within the royal family and religious establishment in Saudi, UAE and Kuwait have at times to times been involved in the funding of "undesirable" madrassas which propgatate a strand of Islam not entirely indigeous to Pakistan and its greater areas.




p.s. the $1.5 loan (yes LOAN) that was provided to Pakistan simply came with understanding that it would be used for what it is intended for......stabilizing Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves which unfortunately - we are back to a time when forex reserves are dwindling


why? Because the crooks you people elect/select siphon off public funds and use new IMF and other private loans to repay PREVIOUS outstanding loans...servicing old debt with new debt and at God knows what interest rates.

its economic slavery......Pakistan needs technocrats and nationalists to take over and do witch-hunt against those who want to maintain shit shitty status quo.


p.s. dwindling forex reserves helped depreciate the currency but Pakistan rupee is gaining strength somewhat against American US$


this whole blame the Saudis thing is not necessary.....how about Pakistan - nation of millions of young talented and hard-working people get its act together and stop electing crooks! change the business culture, end the cronyism and fedual fcked up mentality

@TalibanSwatter some pseudo liberals & wahabists criticize Musharraf for selling "sons" of Pakistan to others and getting paid like mercenaries to fight war for Americans but
the same people miss out the news of TTP in Iraq and Syria.

the TTP get their revenues from (among many things) - the narcotics and kidnapping for-ransom/human trafficking industry. I told people in 2008 that they will cry on their knees and slap themselves in the face for screwing over Gen. Musharraf Sahib.......a patriot who took bold actions and led Pakistan forward - despite some flaws he had



there are news that even a training camp has been named as Ghazi Abdul Rashid of red mosque ("one who didnt get away") in Iraq.

your news is correect sir. it has been confirmed....they named it after that piece of shyt

IDIOT PEOPLES. That training camp will be churning out terrorists to suicide bomb markets in Baghdad Damascus and South Beirut
 
.
this whole blame the Saudis thing is not necessary.....how about Pakistan - nation of millions of young talented and hard-working people get its act together and stop electing crooks! change the business culture, end the cronyism and fedual fcked up mentality

your news is correect sir. it has been confirmed....they named it after that piece of shyt

IDIOT PEOPLES. That training camp will be churning out terrorists to suicide bomb markets in Baghdad Damascus and South Beirut

What you suggest sounds good on paper. However in the real world, Saudi funding for salafi jihadis around the globe carries real impact. At times, the Saudis overtly interfere in places like Syria, and in other instances they activate supposedly non state channels to fund proxies like Al Qaeda/TTP/LeJ in our back yard, ISIL in Iraq and Lebanon, Shabab in Somalia, Boko Haram in Nigeria and so on. At the end of the day, it is the ruling Salafi establishment in Saudi orchestrating these diabolical insurgencies with a view to establishing salafi fiefdoms, promoting their violently intolerant ideology united under the banner of a salafi caliphate.

The recent Saudi "loan" raises concerns as to the terms of the deal. What is the quid pro quo? Given Saudi's decidedly salafi- inspired toxic agenda, the pakistani establishment would be well advised to remain wary.
 
Last edited:
.
DAWN

THE Islamic world’s power dynamics are undergoing possibly the most seismic shift in a generation. The House of Saud’s dominance over global Muslim politics, an enduring, if calamitous, reality, appears to be abating.

A divergence of interests between the Kingdom and other regional players has been gaining currency. Much has changed in the Muslim world since the public rift between Saudi Arabia and its perceived patron, the US, over the issue of nuclear engagement with Iran.

With Turkey, Qatar, and Iraq adopting divergent policy postures to the Saudis and the latter two now publicly hostile, the regional sway held by the House of Saud seems to be slipping away. Pakistan, however, appears to be on the wrong side of history once again.

The latest fracas in the Middle East has been an unprecedented cleavage within the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), a previous bastion of support for regional Saudi supremacy. A categorical challenge to Saudi leadership has been mounted by the resource rich, increasingly independent Emirate of Qatar. Self-confidence spurred by swelling coffers of a gas-rich economy have led the new emir and his associates to openly confront Saudi policy on Egypt and Syria.

Energy politics is also undergoing important changes, mostly precipitated by technology and environmental concerns. Gas is the new oil, deemed preferable as a fossil fuel due to its lower carbon emissions. Resultantly, historically obscure Qatar has been making waves in the last few years through its global spending spree, and high-profile international investments.

The second element set to alter the geo-strategic energy landscape is the discovery of shale gas. With US gas exports expected to commence next year, US reliance on external energy resources will dwindle, diluting its dependence on its traditional Middle Eastern allies. This process is already under way, unnerving the Saudis. For decades US criticism of the Saudis was muted, both officially and in their media outlets. This embargo on silence has been lifted in the last few months, and is likely to escalate.

Unaccustomed to the withdrawal of unqualified international support, the Saudis seem more zealous in achieving their regional ambitions, but their plans appear thwarted. Turkey and Qatar are now supporting different groups to Saudi-backed jihadi elements in Syria and both back Egypt’s elected but deposed Muslim Brotherhood government.

Intriguingly, Qatar and Iran policies are in greater consonance today than those of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Oman, a member of the GCC, played a mediating role between the US and Iran before nuclear negotiations became public, and has recently signed a slew of economic deals with Iran during President Rouhani’s visit to Oman. Iraq’s Prime Minister Maliki, perceived as an Iranian ally, has recently publicly chastised the Saudi and Qatari governments for their support of terrorist insurgent groups. Iraq in February this year, pumped more oil than it has in the last 35 years.

With Iraq’s oil exports rising rapidly, and Iran’s potential reintegration into the international community, the waning of Saudi power is inevitable. Qatar, Iraq, Iran and Turkey are all emerging counterweights to traditional Saudi dominance in the Islamic world. With the erosion of Saudi hegemony in the Muslim world, a new era of a more enlightened version of the faith being practised may also ensue.

Pakistan, however, seems to have the misfortune of being the single Saudi foreign policy ‘success’ of recent times. Instead of acquiring energy and long-term economic security through implementing an accord with our gas rich neighbour, we have chosen the expedient and ultimately deleterious path of continued Saudi patronage.

The direct correlation between deepening Saudi influence and an escalation in extremism in Pakistan that has disfigured the country’s socio-economic landscape over the last three decades has been ignored in our obsession for finding a quick economic fix. Rather than working on improving economic fundamentals and investing in a progressive future, we appear eager to remain on the right side of an increasingly anachronistic regime, whose financial largesse over the years has carried punitive social costs.

The rise in militancy that has witnessed tens of thousands of innocent lives sacrificed, billions in potential investment lost due to a debilitating security environment, and the mutilation of our spiritual landscape, are largely the enduring legacy of a resilient Saudi-Pak partnership.

The addition of $1.5 billion to our foreign currency reserves is therefore an insignificant and temporary palliative. A prudent and favourable foreign policy course would be sensitised to geopolitical trends which can yield long term socio-economic benefits rather than being driven by personal linkages and fleeting financial gains.
 
.
i thought LET is an NGO.and saudis are friends of pakistanis ;):dirol:
LeT has been over while musharraf bans. There is no more existence of it. but JuD is working well and this is a welfare organization.
 
.
Reuters

Formation of a Terror Alliance

The LeJ by 2004 had became a powerful terrorist organization with increasing support from Al Qaeda. The new, never-before-known expertise of LeJ cadres proficient in bomb-making and suicide bombings came from the same source. With time, the LeJ had established its contacts with extremists in Pakistan’s tribal areas (FATA). The new ‘friends’ were mainly Uzbek, belonging to the notorious Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) who had taken refuge in Pakistan’s tribal areas as US operations in Afghanistan continued.


With the formation of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in 2007, many of the LeJ’s factions started operating in urban areas under its umbrella. The rise of an insurgency in FATA and a sudden increase in terrorist attacks all over Pakistan proved to be very beneficial for the LeJ as the main concentration of Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) was diverted towards fighting the more powerful rebellion of the TTP. The LeJ’s undeclared alliance with the TTP came to limelight when the responsibility for 2008 Marriott hotel bombing in Islamabad was claimed by the TTP.
The investigation however, unearthed some startling facts.
The logistics support for this attack was provided by local militants in Punjab, who were also associated with the LeJ. It was now the LeJ helping the TTP to execute attacks in urban areas of Punjab, while the latter in return provided safe heavens for LeJ terrorists in FATA.

Attack on SL team
On 3 March 2009, a convoy of the Sri Lankan cricket team was ambushed in Lahore, 6 policemen and 2 civilians were killed, while two Sri Lankan players also sustained injuries. This attack was carried out by at least 12 highly-trained gunmen. Key suspects of this attack were mostly the LeJ and TTP operatives in Punjab. The primary suspect, Muhammad Aqeel alias Dr. Usman, evaded arrest. The attack is believed to have been masterminded by Malik Ishaq himself.


When TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed in 2009, Hakimullah Mehsud took over. He is credited with forming a proper alliance with the LeJ. Under his command, the TTP began targeting minority sects in tribal areas and claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on Shias. But the major joint terror strike by the TTP and LeJ was witnessed in 2009 which was a first-of-its-kind and took the entire nation by surprise.

It was the siege of Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters or the GHQ in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. 5 out of 10 terrorists who stormed the GHQ belonged to Punjab-based extremist organisations, mainly the LeJ; the other 5 belonged to the TTP. A successful special forces hostage rescue operation ended the siege, but resulted in the martyrdom of two SSG commandos and two civilians.

THE SAUDI CONNECTION

In the Punjab town of Jhang, LeJ’s birthplace, SSP leader Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi describes what he says are Tehran’s grand designs. Iranian consular offices and cultural centers, he alleges, are actually a front for its intelligence agencies.

“If Iranian interference continues it will destroy this country,” said Ludhianvi in an interview in his home. The state provides him with armed guards, fearful any harm done to him could trigger sectarian bloodletting.

Ludhianvi insisted he was just a politician. “I would like to tell you that I am not a murderer, I am not a killer, I am not a terrorist. We are a political party.”

After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the SSP and other groups.

“Of course, Saudi Arabia supports these groups. They want to keep Iranian influence in check in Pakistan, so they pay,” the Pakistani cleric said. His account squared with that of a Pakistani intelligence agent, who said jailed militants had confessed that LeJ received Saudi funding.


 
.
Express Tribune

ISLAMABAD: The Senate was informed by the Interior Ministry on Wednesday that the monster of sectarianism had devoured at least 2,090 lives over past five years, with militancy hit Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) on top with 867 killings.
The figures were revealed in a written reply from the ministry of interior during the question hour.

Balochistan, which has seen deadly attacks on the resident Shia Hazara community, witnessed 737 killings.

Sindh, where a number of doctors, professors religious leaders belonging to the their sect have been targeted in recent years, 252 were killed over sectarian differences between January 2008-January 2009.

Punjab, which saw some of the worst riots in the country last year following a clash of two groups in Rawalpindi on Ashura that resulted in a curfew, 104 people were killed in sectarian violence over five years.

Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa 22. Gilgit-Baltistan, which has belied its largely peaceful outlook with incidents of sectarian violence, saw 103 people falling victim to sectarian violence. Five people lost their lives in Islamabad in sectarian attacks.

The exact number will probably be a bit higher since the reply provided covered the period from January 2008 to January 2014.

Senators from different political parties contested the figures provided by the ministry and also asked the state minister about number of convictions of those who were arrested on charges of sectarian violence.

However, the minister did not answer that question, further irking the members.

Madrassas getting funding from aboard

The government also confirmed during Wednesday’s session that some seminaries were getting financial support from abroad.

Some seminaries/madrassahs in the country are receiving financial support from foreign Islamic countries. The remittances are received through banking channels,” the interior ministry confirmed in its written reply to a question by Pakistan Peoples Partys Sugra Imam.

The state minister for interior Balighur Rehman said that the State Bank of Pakistan had started compiling data of all such remittances. The ministry’s reply, however, did not contain any estimates on funding coming through other channels.
 
.
@TalibanSwatter some pseudo liberals & wahabists criticize Musharraf for selling "sons" of Pakistan to others and getting paid like mercenaries to fight war for Americans but
the same people miss out the news of TTP in Iraq and Syria.

there are news that even a training camp has been named as Ghazi Abdul Rashid of red mosque ("one who didnt get away") in Iraq.


There are now news reports of Saudi funded training camps in Waziristan recruiting and preparing militants for Syria.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom