Saudi beheads Pakistanis for armed robbery

[RescueRanger]

I am sorry but no where in "sharia" does it say you have to behead the suspects:

Conditions for the penalty of theft:

The following are the conditions which must be met in order to establish the penalty of theft:

1) The one who steals is sane

2) He has reached puberty

3) He steals equivalent to the amount (nisab) or more. The Nisab is one Dinar or ten Dirhams (i.e. 4.374 grams of gold). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

�There is no cutting (of hands) for stealing that is less then ten Dirhams� (Musnad Ahmad).

Sayyidah Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reports that �The hands were not cut in the time of the Messenger of Allah for stealing worthless things� (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah).

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that: �The hand of a thief was not cut off during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) except for stealing something equal to a shield in value� (Sahih al-Bukhari, 6792, & Sahih Muslim, 1685).

A shield was worth one Dinar at that time, as narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sunan Abu Dawud & Sunan Nasa�i.

4) He steals the article from a place that meets the requirements of security and safeguarding. This security is considered when the article is safeguarded by a guard or by it being locked in a place.

5) The article is in the ownership of another person

6) There is no confusion in it (as to whether he took it by way of theft or for some other reason).

7) It was stolen secretly (not by force, etc&#65533.

If any of the above conditions are not met, then the penalty of theft will not be established.

Allah Most High says:

�As to the thief, male of female, cut off his or her hands. A punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime� (Surah al-Ma�idah, 38).

As far as the evidence and testimony is concerned, stealing will be established by self admittance once or by the testimony of two adult males. The witnesses will be asked the details of the incident, as not to make an error.

A person�s hand is not amputated when he steals less than the equivalent of 4.374 grams of gold, from place that does not meet the requirements of security, something that is useless, something that is in general ownership such as water in the river, sticks from the wood, etc�, food that rots very quickly such as milk, meat, fruits, etc�, articles that are unlawful due to the possibility that one had an intention of getting rid of it, such as musical instruments.

The penalty:

The penalty for the one who steals (when the above conditions are met) is that his/her right arm is amputated. If a person steals a second time, his left foot is amputated; if a third time, then he will be imprisoned until he repents, but no further amputation will take place.

Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says:

�I feel guilty in front of Allah if I leave him without hands (i.e. amputating both) by which he eats, and feet, by which he walks� (Sunan Darqutni, al-Bayhaqi & Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba).

The above are some of the important aspects relating to the penalty of theft. It has been primarily based on the famous Hanafi work al-Ikhtiyar li ta�lil al-Mukhtar, P341-351).

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari

Where does it say you can chop their head off?

 

[Zarvan]

Can't go against Islam can you? 13 wives for all

Sir Islam 4 wives for men only HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW was allowed by ALLAH to marry more than 4 for others limit 4 is yes as Muslims we can't go against Islam

 

[muse]

Sir Islam 4 wives for men only HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW was allowed by ALLAH to marry more than 4 for others limit 4 is yes as Muslims we can't go against Islam

And people say Allah is not flexible

 

[Zarvan]

I am sorry but no where in "sharia" does it say you have to behead the suspects:



Where does it say you can chop their head off?

Sir stealing is different robbing is different robbing comes into creating fasad on earth for that ALLAH has told some punishments that are either a really brutal death which can be done by beheading or hanging or cutting hand and feet from opposite directions that is cutting right hand and cutting left feat or vice versa and or throwing out of land

And people say Allah is not flexible

I don't know what are you saying but in some rules PROPHETS are different from humans for example salah of Tahajud was compulsory on HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW but not on other Muslims it is nafal for other Muslims

 

[RescueRanger]

Sir stealing is different robbing is different robbing comes into creating fasad on earth for that ALLAH has told some punishments that are either a really brutal death which can be done by beheading or hanging or cutting hand and feet from opposite directions that is cutting right hand and cutting left feat or vice versa and or throwing out of land



I don't know what are you saying but in some rules PROPHETS are different from humans for example salah of Tahajud was compulsory on HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW but not on other Muslims it is nafal for other Muslims

Here is another article on the ruling of "theft" which covers: Streling and Robbery:

Theft is Haraam (forbidden) according to the Quran, Sunnah [sayings of Prophet Muhammad ] and Ijmaa’ (scholarly consensus). Allaah, the Most Exalted, has condemned this action and decreed an appropriate punishment for it. The Hadd [i.e. the legal punishment prescribed by the Sharee'ah (Islamic law)] for a thief is to cut off the thief's hand. Allaah Almighty Says in the Noble Quran (what means):

“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38]

The Prophet said:

“The hand (of the thief) should be cut off for (the theft of) a quarter of a Dinar or more.” [Al-Bukhaari]

The Prophet cursed the thief because he is a corrupt element in society, and if he is left unpunished, his corruption will spread and infect the body of the Ummah (Muslim community). He said:

“May Allaah curse the thief who steals an egg and has his hand cut off, or steals a rope and has his hand cut off.” [Al-Bukhaari]

What indicates that this ruling is definitive is the fact that a Makhzoomi noblewoman (from the tribe of Makhzoom) stole at the time of the Prophet and Usaamah Ibn Zayd wanted to intercede for her. The Prophet became angry and said:

“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand.” [Al-Bukhaari]

This is the ruling of Allaah concerning theft; that the hand should be cut off from the wrist joint.

Al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Saheeh Muslim (Hadeeth collection): Al-Shaafa'i, Abu Haneefah, Maalik and the majority (of scholars) said: "The hand should be cut off from the wrist, where the hand meets the forearm." Al-Qurtubi said: "All the scholars said: The hand should be cut off from the wrist, not as some of the innovators do when they cut off the fingers and leave the thumb."

Because cutting off the hand is a serious matter, it should not be done for just any case of theft. A combination of conditions must be fulfilled before the hand of a thief is cut off. These conditions are as follows:

1- The thing should have been taken by stealth; if it was not taken by stealth, then the hand should not be cut off, such as when property has been seized by force in front of other people, because in this case the owner of the property could have asked for help to stop the thief.

2- The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

2- The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic Dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic Dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

3- The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away, i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

4- The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

5- The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.

If these conditions are fulfilled, then the hand must be cut off. If this ruling was applied in the societies which are content with man-made laws and which have cast aside the Sharee’ah of Allaah and replaced it with human laws, this would be the most beneficial treatment for this phenomenon. But the matter is as Allaah Says (what means):

“Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allaah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].” [Quran 5:50]

I can't see anywhere it stating cut their heads off, if you know of a particular verse please do share it, it would add to my limited knowledge of Sharia Law. Thank you.

 

[474474]

"The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword."
―Eddard Stark
That's the only thing wrong here, the fatass king would even make Sam look brave. Likes beheading so much do it yourself little *****

 

[Strigon]

We should really not care too much if a 'civilized' population wishes to punish offenders as savages, we got a lot of our own problems to correct before complaining about them.

 

[naumananjum]

Just because they were Pakistani. Armed robbery punishment is cutting the hands not directly beheading.

and infact if saudi national do these crimes his punishment is cutting his nails only...!!!!
u r rite that they were killed beacuse they were not saudis

 

[M.harris]

self delete

 

[RescueRanger]

theres nothing wrong in beheading a culprit.

Ahem, read my post above.

 

[JonAsad]

Apparantly robbery would be Ok for them to escape beheading- but for armed robbery?- -

It has nothing to do with being a Pakistani-
In the end it comes to the message that has been delivered to any future potential armed robber- works just fine-
How many armed robberies you see in Saudia- very very rare-

 

[Zarvan]

Apparantly robbery would be Ok for them to escape beheading- but for armed robbery?- -

It has nothing to do with being a Pakistani-
In the end it comes to the message that has been delivered to any future potential armed robber- works just fine-
How many armed robberies you see in Saudia- very very rare-

Sir please post fatwa of Ulemas for why they don't cut of hands of Armed Robbers why they kill them what is the difference between punishment of theft and Armed Roberry Sir it would be grateful by the way how is your daughter ?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
ISLAM DOSNT ALLOWS KING SHIP
THESE BARBARIANS DO HAVE KINGS
AND THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS ISLAM SAYS BUT THE SAUDIS ARE FAT AND STEADY IN A FEW YEARS THEY WILL NEED WHEELCHAIRS
THEY SUPPORT TALIBAN IN PAKISTANS THEY PROMOTE FUNDAMENTALISM
BUT OUR DEAR MEMBERS WILL DO ANYTHING TO DEFEND THESE CLOWNS

 

[Zarvan]

KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
ISLAM DOSNT ALLOWS KING SHIP
THESE BARBARIANS DO HAVE KINGS
AND THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS ISLAM SAYS BUT THE SAUDIS ARE FAT AND STEADY IN A FEW YEARS THEY WILL NEED WHEELCHAIRS
THEY SUPPORT TALIBAN IN PAKISTANS THEY PROMOTE FUNDAMENTALISM
BUT OUR DEAR MEMBERS WILL DO ANYTHING TO DEFEND THESE CLOWNS

Sir when they would do things which Islam orders they would be supported and defended unlike liberal thugs and touts of USA who just want to talk crap because their main problem is with Islam not Saudi government or any other government they basically are enemies of Islam

 

[Mugwop]

What the hell is wrong with you people? Supporting beheading over armed robbery??
Robbers are also human beings with lives. Some of them do it outta poverty, doesn't mean you treat them like this.