Saudi Arabia's unlikely Russian arms deals

[Saif al-Arab]

The British and France defeat ottoman empire after WW1 and set a poppet governments in newly formed Arab countries in region like al saud in saudi arabia.

I didn't said Ibbadi's are not Muslims actually i said they are so don't put words in my mouth.
There is a devilish cult in Islam and that's salafism and wahabism which is active for couple of Centuries but mostly during ibn taimah got renewed and implied in many different societies.

No doubt Iraqi's are fighting but Iran support technical , arms and logistical support to anyone in Iraq and Syria fighting terrorism.

Seriously ? Arabs were worshiping god before Islam ? then who was (منات، عزی، لات) , why Arabs Treated to kill prophet many times if they were godly people ? why they hurted him ? all of Arabs that time were worshiping stones thanks to prophets he change their path. Zoroastrians is and was deeply rooted in Iran's people and culture unfortunately only 1500 left hope they be remain because they are carrying Iran's true identity. That time Zoroastrian was one of the peaceful religion in the region.
Wahabism are not Sunnis because they are not have any link to it , you mention you are not Wahhabi but you are supporting it . It's a ideology that says we have to bring back 1400 years old traditional and way of thinking which is wrong because that ideology is not gonna fit in modern society. How can you treat to kill Shiites , Sufism and ibbady also other sec's and call your self sunni ? they are destroying the face of Islam in ME and in western countries it has to be solved.

You clearly have no clue about Arab and Semitic history.

The French were never present anywhere in the Near East outside of Lebanon and Syria. The House of Saud had ruled areas of modern-day KSA (the historical Najd region) 200 years BEFORE any Brit had even made an attempt to visit the interior of Arabia. KSA was never a Western colony either. So you are mistaken.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are Semitic religions and the later two religions along with Hanifs and ancient Semitic religions that were not Abrahamic religions were followed by most Arabs in pre-Islamic times. Madinah was a majority Jewish city and most of Southern, Northern and Eastern Arabia was Christian. Many pre-Islamic Arab kingdoms were Christian. Some even Jewish.

You are talking about Makkah which was only pagan for a time.

history of makkah - YouTube

Once again, Zoroastrians themselves were pagan and were not/are not monotheists. It's a dualistic religion like many pre-Islamic Semitic religions (non-Abrahamic ones) which you call pagan! Besides for your information a few Arab communities were Zoroastrians in Eastern Arabia.

You were the one that started blabbering about what Arabs consider ARAB Ibadis and what they do not.

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and nobody is killing anyone in KSA. Shafi'is like me, Hanbalis, Malikis, Hanafis, Zaydis, Ismailis, Twelvers and Sufis live in peace.

The only exception are a handful of people who have been brainwashed by Daesh and before them Al-Qaeda. That's all.

In KSA the Hanbali fiqh is dominant and so are the Najdi-dominated clergy and they have theological differences with Shia's just like vice versa. None among the clergy supports killings of anyone and they always call for unity among Muslims.

Besides I really don't care about sects and whatever religion people follow. I have Muslims, Christians and Atheists in my own family.

Iskander is a great tactical ballistic missile, but if KSA wanna turn its attention on our inventory, then we could offer ours as well.

I have personally nothing against Russians as people. Arabs and Russians had close political ties during the Cold War and a few Arab nations still have very close ties to Russia. Many Arabs from once socialistic/communistic (Southern Yemen for instance) Arab nations studied in Russia and there are A LOT of Arab-Russian intermarriages. Millions of Russians visit Arab nations each year as tourists and quite a few Arab tourists also visit Russia.

Arabs also ruled parts of what is now Southern Russia (Northern Caucasus) for centuries and Arabs and Russians engaged in trade for centuries.

Relations between the regime of KSA and Russia have also improved significantly in recent months but I personally don't trust the Russian leadership. It's a temporary (IMO) marriage of convenience not one of "love" or trust.

China on the other hand have always proved to be a reliable partner and I won't offend any Russian if I say that cordial/close ties with China is much more preferably for KSA, the GCC and the Arab world as a whole than with Russia.

Besides historically Arabs and Chinese had close and cordial ties and China today remains the biggest trading partner of the Arab world. The trade balance was almost 300 billion dollars last year if I recall. Not even 10% of the potential has been reached. Russian-Arab relations will never reach such heights, at least not in my lifetime.

 

[Blackmoon]

You clearly have no clue about Arab and Semitic history.

The French were never present anywhere in the Near East outside of Lebanon and Syria. The House of Saud had ruled areas of modern-day KSA (the historical Najd region) 200 years BEFORE any Brit had even made an attempt to visit the interior of Arabia. KSA was never a Western colony either. So you are mistaken.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are Semitic religions and the later two religions along with Hanifs and ancient Semitic religions that were not Abrahamic religions were followed by most Arabs in pre-Islamic times. Madinah was a majority Jewish city and most of Southern, Northern and Eastern Arabia was Christian. Many pre-Islamic Arab kingdoms were Christian. Some even Jewish.

You are talking about Makkah which was only pagan for a time.

history of makkah - YouTube

Once again, Zoroastrians themselves were pagan and were not/are not monotheists. It's a dualistic religion like many pre-Islamic Semitic religions (non-Abrahamic ones) which you call pagan! Besides for your information a few Arab communities were Zoroastrians in Eastern Arabia.

You were the one that started blabbering about what Arabs consider ARAB Ibadis and what they do not.

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and nobody is killing anyone in KSA. Shafi'is like me, Hanbalis, Malikis, Hanafis, Zaydis, Ismailis, Twelvers and Sufis live in peace.

The only exception are a handful of people who have been brainwashed by Daesh and before them Al-Qaeda. That's all.

In KSA the Hanbali fiqh is dominant and so are the Najdi-dominated clergy and they have theological differences with Shia's just like vice versa. None among the clergy supports killings of anyone and they always call for unity among Muslims.

Besides I really don't care about sects and whatever religion people follow. I have Muslims, Christians and Atheists in my own family.

True french were present in Syria and Lebanon but the rest of Arab countries in region were made by UK.

Al Saud was ruler of a part of saudi arabia and other parts were controlled by other tribes. one of them al hashmittes which later moved by UK to Jordan , Iraq and Syria. Jordan survived but in Syria and Iraq got there a**es beaten up.

Zoroastrian promotes peace , good deeds , good actions and love which is considers to be more then paganism because they promote godly ways of living not worshiping idols.

Yes i discuss about their faith but didn't said they are not Muslim you brought that, Saudi should not discuss about other sec of Islam , every sec are godly and worshiping Allah , have same book quran and prophet Muhammad that enough to be Muslim

really ? then who own wesal tv ? kalame tv ? all of these hatred and wars comes from Saudi government otherwise we all would lived in peace.

I myself am christian but love my country and my people's culture.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

True french were present in Syria and Lebanon but the rest of Arab countries in region were made by UK.

Al Saud was ruler of a part of saudi arabia and other parts were controlled by other tribes. one of them al hashmittes which later moved by UK to Jordan , Iraq and Syria. Jordan survived but in Syria and Iraq got there a**es beaten up.

Zoroastrian promotes peace , good deeds , good actions and love which is considers to be more then paganism because they promote godly ways of living not worshiping idols.

Yes i discuss about their faith but didn't said they are not Muslim you brought that, Saudi should not discuss about other sec of Islam , every sec are godly and worshiping Allah , have same book quran and prophet Muhammad that enough to be Muslim

really ? then who own wesal tv ? kalame tv ? all of these hatred and wars comes from Saudi government otherwise we all would lived in peace.

I myself am christian but love my country and my people's culture.

Stop writing utter nonsense, please. Yemen, Oman, the historical regions of KSA (Hijaz, Najd, Eastern Arabia) existed for MILLENNIUMS as separate and independent entities before anyone had even heard about the small island that is Britain.

The Arab world is the cradle of civilization and home to the oldest civilizations and cities on the planet. It's ridiculous to claim that the UK "created" Egypt, Iraq etc.

Borders of nation states have changed almost always. Even to this day borders are changing. The current day borders of Iran are also new.

Those were not "tribes" but simply ruling families. I am a Hijazi Hashemite.

That advice should be given to the Mullah's in Iran too and many others. Every sect thinks that they are on the right path. It's bound in politics as regimes do not care about religion but only power.

Wesal TV is a private station and similar Shia stations exist in Iran, Iraq and in the West.

I don't watch those channels.

Why would a Christian (probably an Iranian Armenian or Assyrian) use a mass-murderer that oppressed everyone that was not a Shia Twelver as his avatar?

Anyway if your mission here is to make Arabs like your Wilayat al-Faqih regime or create divisions among Sunni Muslims by labeling millions of Hanbalis as "Wahhabis" you will fail and you are wasting your time.

We are completely off-topic too.

 

[Blackmoon]

Stop writing utter nonsense, please. Yemen, Oman, the historical regions of KSA (Hijaz, Najd, Eastern Arabia) existed for MILLENNIUMS as separate and independent entities before anyone had even heard about the small island that is Britain.

The Arab world is the cradle of civilization and home to the oldest civilizations and cities on the planet. It's ridiculous to claim that the UK "created" Egypt, Iraq etc.

Borders of nation states have changed almost always. Even to this day borders are changing. The current day borders of Iran are also new.

Those were not "tribes" but simply ruling families. I am a Hijazi Hashemite.

That advice should be given to the Mullah's in Iran too and many others. Every sect thinks that they are on the right path. It's bound in politics as regimes do not care about religion but only power.

Wesal TV is a private station and similar Shia stations exist in Iran, Iraq and in the West.

I don't watch those channels.

Why would a Christian (probably an Iranian Armenian or Assyrian) use a mass-murderer that oppressed everyone that was not a Shia Twelver as his avatar?

Anyway if your mission here is to make Arabs like your Wilayat al-Faqih regime or create divisions among Sunni Muslims by labeling millions of Hanbalis as "Wahhabis" you will fail and you are wasting your time.

We are completely off-topic too.

Over and over again you're mistaking, its nature of Arabs to change the subject to what they like , you don't even read what i am saying. I said after ottoman empire collapsed not talking about "MILLENNIUMS".

The current borders between Arab countries were made by UK that's why we see direct lines in there borders like UAE , Saudi, Syria , Iraq and Egypt also others. Even some parts of Yemen were taken by saudi like najran and jaizan.
The Arab civilization was only in border of caliphates like Omayyad , Abbasid and ottoman each doesn't have separate history.

Iran's last changes in border happened nearly 200 years ago when they lost war to Russia , they accepted to give way some cities at that time.

Then if it's not called as tribes what is called ? civilization ? hehe

First of all Yasser habib is Kuwaiti from your entity and does not represent Shittes at all , if you found of one cleric from Iran that said kill sunna and go to heaven then i will say you're correct. Why you bring yasser habib ? you didn't heard ayat al allah sistani many times said Sunna are our brothers ? but when you turn to Saudi channels all the time spread hate through Muslim communities.

Did we ever order to kill anyone ? take there women and child ? rape ?

There many Persians that has Christianity faith in Iran doesn't conclude in being Armenian or Assyrian.

First and most if you read my previous posts i said he was here to our country , he restore the lost empire (persia) and change the faith because if Iran was sunna we would be hanged by now.

Moreover As i said we are just waiting and watching the show , Arabs are killing each other for stupid reasons even sunna and sunna and somehow unfortunately the conflicts is rising in the region. In addition in this forum i did not saw any racism from other fellow Muslims only from you and that's part of your cultural and what they fed you with it daily.

 

[Blackmoon]

1- you defeat us and put khomeini as puppet for us ? what hell you're trying to say ? Al saud was brought by UK to saudi as a puppet but khomeni was semi-UK puppet , but was not related to Saudi Arabia. Think before posting comment.

2-No we did not said who believe in 3 caliph are not Muslim that's what your school of Wahabism told you , we say Ali was first and Abu bakr , omar and ottoman after him. We didn't said kill 7 sunna and go to heaven neither.

3-Lash my self and my kids ? i don't have any kids first then i am not psychopath.

4- All 1.4 billion are agree but little group in Saudi with help of oil money are trying to divide Muslims again i will not lash my self. you like lashing people ?

5- Iraq shittes killing sunnis ? What world you are living in ? i remember before ISIS there was a bomb explosion in every city of iraq daily by sunni extremist how is it related to sunna ? but now game is change sunni killing sunnis

6- yes thank to you we have our own sec called Shittes otherwise we would explode ourself like isis today

7-15% but control all islamic world

8- So raping , killing , stealing and spreading hatred is consider to be sunna and its 1.4 billion ? wow what a big gang.