Saudi Arabia's first nuclear reactor nearly finished, sparking fears over safeguards

[SecularNationalist]

How does that post counter what I wrote exactly? Do Arabs need nukes to protect themsleves and their interests? The short answer is yes. Take Pakistan as an example, where would we be without nukes? We would have a similar fate as Iraq or Libya, maybe even worse.

As long as you guys don't have nukes, you will always be at the mercy of tiny Israel let alone the West. Whenever you want to truly become independent and it clashes with the same West, they will try to ruin you. As an Egyptian you should have learned that by now already.

I am not a fan of the Mullah's in Iran but I applaud them for trying to pursue nuclear weapons and thus their independence and deterrence from outside attacks.



I don't think that Israel has any say. If anything it is the daddy of Israel (USA) that has a say here as the self-proclaimed policeman of the world. However they could not prevent the growing Saudi Arabian-Chinese ties. Talking about the enormous trade volume, Saudi Arabian ballistic missile program where China plays a key role, extraction of Saudi Arabian uranium with Chinese cooperation/help, drone tech sharing and many other areas of cooperation. The US/West is getting weaker and weaker they cannot afford to control everything in their favor.

Look at Biden. He promised to make Saudi Arabia a pariah but now he is forced to go there and beg. Meanwhile Lavrov is visiting KSA and KSA never condemned Russia or sanctioned it. If/when USA/West turns hostile to KSA, they will move towards China/Russia fully and it will be the loss of the West.

But still it's the isreal in that region with a lethal force to attack such nuclear reactors just like they destroyed Iraqi one. Or perhaps it's the big daddy US which instructed isreal to keep a calm .

 

[The SC]

How does that post counter what I wrote exactly? Do Arabs need nukes to protect themsleves and their interests? The short answer is yes. Take Pakistan as an example, where would we be without nukes? We would have a similar fate as Iraq or Libya, maybe even worse.

As long as you guys don't have nukes, you will always be at the mercy of tiny Israel let alone the West. Whenever you want to truly become independent and it clashes with the same West, they will try to ruin you. As an Egyptian you should have learned that by now already.

I am not a fan of the Mullah's in Iran but I applaud them for trying to pursue nuclear weapons and thus their independence and deterrence from outside attacks.



I don't think that Israel has any say. If anything it is the daddy of Israel (USA) that has a say here as the self-proclaimed policeman of the world. However they could not prevent the growing Saudi Arabian-Chinese ties. Talking about the enormous trade volume, Saudi Arabian ballistic missile program where China plays a key role, extraction of Saudi Arabian uranium with Chinese cooperation/help, drone tech sharing and many other areas of cooperation. The US/West is getting weaker and weaker they cannot afford to control everything in their favor.

Look at Biden. He promised to make Saudi Arabia a pariah but now he is forced to go there and beg. Meanwhile Lavrov is visiting KSA and KSA never condemned Russia or sanctioned it. If/when USA/West turns hostile to KSA, they will move towards China/Russia fully and it will be the loss of the West.

Arabs.. mainly the most important Arab countries.. like Egypt and Saudi Arabia both have nukes; First.. it is well documented that the soviet Union did send nukes to Egypt in 1973 after US-rael threatened with nukes.. second, many Arab countries and mainly KSA invested Hugely in the Pakistani nuclear program.. So a few bombs wouldn't really have been too much to ask..rumors say there are many already in deep ground in Saudi Arabia.. maybe as much as 25.. not confirmed and will never be.. be it true or false..

 

[The SC]

Dutch Disease. Why waste time developing nukes? Let daddy Yankee deal with such hassles and in the meantime order some of their blondes to take a Cleveland Steamer on.

Daddy Yankee can't even deal with the Russian blondes..

 

[Hydration]

How does that post counter what I wrote exactly? Do Arabs need nukes to protect themsleves and their interests? The short answer is yes. Take Pakistan as an example, where would we be without nukes? We would have a similar fate as Iraq or Libya, maybe even worse.

As long as you guys don't have nukes, you will always be at the mercy of tiny Israel let alone the West. Whenever you want to truly become independent and it clashes with the same West, they will try to ruin you. As an Egyptian you should have learned that by now already.

I am not a fan of the Mullah's in Iran but I applaud them for trying to pursue nuclear weapons and thus their independence and deterrence from outside attacks.

Idk about the Gulf but as Egypt you should know about the soviet nuclear warheads in 1973 stealing of american missile technology or the classified missile program which no one knows about. And i doubt we dont have nuclear warheads to put on our missiles

 

[Corruptistan]

Idk about the Gulf but as Egypt you should know about the soviet nuclear warheads in 1973 stealing of american missile technology or the classified missile program which no one knows about. And i doubt we dont have nuclear warheads to put on our missiles

Are you trying to tell me that Egypt is nuclear armed? With all due respect, nobody is going to believe that. As far as I know of, there is no nuclear-armed Arab state. If I should make a guess to which Arab country might have access to them, I can only think of KSA and that is only due to the Pakistani connection which is well known.

I am talking about openly pursuing nukes and living with the consequences for a few years. We now live in a multipolar world where the influence of the US is diminishing. You have a regional country pursuing them already (Iran). Not to mention Israel itself which already have them.

What exactly is the excuse not to go for it if tiny North Korea can?

 

[Hydration]

Are you trying to tell me that Egypt is nuclear armed? With all due respect, nobody is going to believe that. As far as I know of, there is no nuclear-armed Arab state. If I should make a guess to which Arab country might have access to them, I can only think of KSA and that is only due to the Pakistani connection which is well known.

I am talking about openly pursuing nukes and living with the consequences for a few years. We now live in a multipolar world where the influence of the US is diminishing. You have a regional country pursuing them already (Iran). Not to mention Israel itself which already have them.

What exactly is the excuse not to go for it if tiny North Korea can?

Yeah that is the difference iran and north korea are open about it Egypt isnt and check the nuclear test ban treaty Egypt KSA refused to sign or initiate or the development of the jabal hamza missile test facility. Its all in the dark

 

[The SC]

Are you trying to tell me that Egypt is nuclear armed? With all due respect, nobody is going to believe that. As far as I know of, there is no nuclear-armed Arab state. If I should make a guess to which Arab country might have access to them, I can only think of KSA and that is only due to the Pakistani connection which is well known.

I am talking about openly pursuing nukes and living with the consequences for a few years. We now live in a multipolar world where the influence of the US is diminishing. You have a regional country pursuing them already (Iran). Not to mention Israel itself which already have them.

What exactly is the excuse not to go for it if tiny North Korea can?

Yes bro.. apart from the soviet nukes.. there was a big fuss from the IAEA about Egypt testing Uranium enrichment.. there are a few threads about this in the Arab Defense section.. with many CIA, MI6 and other declassified reports.. And as you know already or should know.. any country that gets hold of a certain nuclear warhead design.. can test it through its super computers.. and since both KSA and Egypt have Super computers it is likely they have tested different warhead designs.. mostly if it was already tested and validated on the ground by other nations.. Iran too did that a while back..

 

[Corruptistan]

Yeah that is the difference iran and north korea are open about it Egypt isnt and check the nuclear test ban treaty Egypt KSA refused to sign or initiate or the development of the jabal hamza missile test facility. Its all in the dark

Yes bro.. apart from the soviet nukes.. there was a big fuss from the IAEA about Egypt testing Uranium enrichment.. there are a few threads about this in the Arab Defense section.. with many CIA, MI6 and other declassified reports.. And as you know already or should know.. any country that gets hold of a certain nuclear warhead design.. can test it through its super computers.. and since both KSA and Egypt have Super computers it is likely they have tested different warhead designs.. mostly if it was already tested and validated on the ground by other nations.. Iran too did that a while back..

I hope that you are both right.

 

[BHAN85]

Saudi Arabia should be pursuing nuclear weapons.

Maybe they already have it.
One thing is for sure: If they get nukes, they wont publish it.

 

[The SC]

Yeah that is the difference iran and north korea are open about it Egypt isnt and check the nuclear test ban treaty Egypt KSA refused to sign or initiate or the development of the jabal hamza missile test facility. Its all in the dark

Iran was in the dark about its military nuclear project until it got caught.. now what Iran is open about is its civilian nuclear projects..

North Korea..yes it is open about its military nuclear program and has tested nuclear devices ..

 

[Corruptistan]

In 2017, the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the Saudi Geological Survey, where the two countries collaborated to identify prospective uranium deposits. Concluded by the end of 2019, the work by geologists identified that were capable of producing 90,000 tonnes of uranium. In September 2020, The Guardian reported on the basis of a confidential report prepared by CNNC and the Beijing Research Institute of Uranium Geology (BRIUG) that Saudi Arabia had enough uranium ore reserves for domestic production of nuclear fuel. Some of the deposits were identified in the country’s northwestern region, where the city of Neom was being planned to be constructed. However, concerns regarding the Kingdom’s desperate interest in an atomic weapons programme were intensifying, citing the lack of transparency of Saudi.[10][11]

In April 2019, the IAEA confirmed that Saudi Arabia was likely to have a functioning nuclear reactor within a year, but had not agreed to IAEA inspections.[12]​

Nuclear power in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In February 2022 Saudi Arabia confirmed the establishment of the Nuclear Holding Company, which will act as the country's nuclear developer. The entity's formation was originally mentioned in 2013.
​

Nuclear Power in Saudi Arabia - World Nuclear Association

Saudi Arabia has plans to establish a civil nuclear power industry.

world-nuclear.org

S.Korea to bid for Saudi Arabia's $10 bn nuclear plant order​

Posing a hurdle to winning the deal, the order would be subject to approval from the US government and Congress​

By Zi-Hoon Lee and So-Hyeon Kim May 31, 2022 18:31 (Gmt+09:00)

S.Korea to bid for Saudi Arabia's $10 bn nuclear plant order - KED Global

Saudi Arabia invited South Korea last week to join the bid for the construction of its first-ever nuclear power plants, worth over $10 billion, sources with kn

www.kedglobal.com

• ELECTRIC POWER | ENERGY TRANSITION | NATURAL GAS | OIL
• 19 Jan 2022 | 15:19 UTC

Saudi Arabia to consider producing nuclear-powered hydrogen: energy minister​

• ELECTRIC POWER | ENERGY TRANSITION | NATURAL GAS | OIL
• 19 Jan 2022 | 15:19 UTC

Saudi Arabia to consider producing nuclear-powered hydrogen: energy minister

Saudi Arabia could produce hydrogen powered by nuclear energy, as part of a push by the world's largest exporter of crude to diversify its economy away from hydrocarbons, the kingdom's energy minister

www.spglobal.com

Adviser appointed for Saudi nuclear power programme​

Adviser appointed for Saudi nuclear power programme

UK-based EY has been appointed as the transaction adviser (TA) for Saudi Arabia’s first nuclear power project

energy-utilities.com

@The SC

Why are things moving this relatively slow. UAE's Barakah nuclear power plant has been running for quite some time now.

 

[The SC]

In 2017, the China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the Saudi Geological Survey, where the two countries collaborated to identify prospective uranium deposits. Concluded by the end of 2019, the work by geologists identified that were capable of producing 90,000 tonnes of uranium. In September 2020, The Guardian reported on the basis of a confidential report prepared by CNNC and the Beijing Research Institute of Uranium Geology (BRIUG) that Saudi Arabia had enough uranium ore reserves for domestic production of nuclear fuel. Some of the deposits were identified in the country’s northwestern region, where the city of Neom was being planned to be constructed. However, concerns regarding the Kingdom’s desperate interest in an atomic weapons programme were intensifying, citing the lack of transparency of Saudi.[10][11]

In April 2019, the IAEA confirmed that Saudi Arabia was likely to have a functioning nuclear reactor within a year, but had not agreed to IAEA inspections.[12]​

Nuclear power in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In February 2022 Saudi Arabia confirmed the establishment of the Nuclear Holding Company, which will act as the country's nuclear developer. The entity's formation was originally mentioned in 2013.
​

Nuclear Power in Saudi Arabia - World Nuclear Association

Saudi Arabia has plans to establish a civil nuclear power industry.

world-nuclear.org

S.Korea to bid for Saudi Arabia's $10 bn nuclear plant order​

Posing a hurdle to winning the deal, the order would be subject to approval from the US government and Congress​

By Zi-Hoon Lee and So-Hyeon Kim May 31, 2022 18:31 (Gmt+09:00)

S.Korea to bid for Saudi Arabia's $10 bn nuclear plant order - KED Global

Saudi Arabia invited South Korea last week to join the bid for the construction of its first-ever nuclear power plants, worth over $10 billion, sources with kn

www.kedglobal.com

• ELECTRIC POWER | ENERGY TRANSITION | NATURAL GAS | OIL
• 
  
• 19 Jan 2022 | 15:19 UTC

Saudi Arabia to consider producing nuclear-powered hydrogen: energy minister​

• ELECTRIC POWER | ENERGY TRANSITION | NATURAL GAS | OIL
• 19 Jan 2022 | 15:19 UTC

Saudi Arabia to consider producing nuclear-powered hydrogen: energy minister

Saudi Arabia could produce hydrogen powered by nuclear energy, as part of a push by the world's largest exporter of crude to diversify its economy away from hydrocarbons, the kingdom's energy minister

www.spglobal.com

Adviser appointed for Saudi nuclear power programme​

Adviser appointed for Saudi nuclear power programme

UK-based EY has been appointed as the transaction adviser (TA) for Saudi Arabia’s first nuclear power project

energy-utilities.com

@The SC

Why are things moving this relatively slow. UAE's Barakah nuclear power plant has been running for quite some time now.

UAE accepted the US 123 agreement..KSA refused it..because it wants the full nuclear cycle..

The IAEA has no right to inspect a nuclear plant before it is finished..and getting ready for fuel..aka the enriched Uranium ..

 

[Shawnee]

Yes bro.. apart from the soviet nukes.. there was a big fuss from the IAEA about Egypt testing Uranium enrichment.. there are a few threads about this in the Arab Defense section.. with many CIA, MI6 and other declassified reports.. And as you know already or should know.. any country that gets hold of a certain nuclear warhead design.. can test it through its super computers.. and since both KSA and Egypt have Super computers it is likely they have tested different warhead designs.. mostly if it was already tested and validated on the ground by other nations.. Iran too did that a while back..

Dear SC,

This article does not make sense from technical stand point.

Yellow cake and civil reactors are not what makes a bomb.

Cascade of centrifuges do and heavy water large reactors do.

This is not even close to a bomb.
Maybe Pakistanis sent something but this is not the way to a bomb.

UAE accepted the US 123 agreement..KSA refused it..because it wants the full nuclear cycle..

The IAEA has no right to inspect a nuclear plant before it is finished..and getting ready for fuel..aka the enriched Uranium ..

The only part of the cycle in KSA is yellow cake.

You need lots of 100 SWE centrifuges.

 

[The SC]

Dear SC,

This article does not make sense from technical stand point.

Yellow cake and civil reactors are not what makes a bomb.

Cascade of centrifuges do and heavy water large reactors do.

This is not even close to a bomb.
Maybe Pakistanis sent something but this is not the way to a bomb.



The only part of the cycle in KSA is yellow cake.

You need lots of 100 SWE centrifuges.

Well you know western propaganda, don't you?
This is just a research reactor..HaHaHa!

As for the bomb.. "God knows better"..

"The only part of the cycle in KSA is yellow cake." ..that is publicly known..

It is also known that KSA makes its own nuclear reactors with South Korea..

https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Korea-Saudi-Arabia-progress-with-SMART-collaborati


Saudi Arabia owns 50% of the IP

https://nucleus.iaea.org/sites/INPRO/df18/3.2-K.K.Kim-Korea.pdf

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabian-south-korean-smart-nuclear-reactor-in-adsw-2017.474688/

 

[Shawnee]

Well you know western propaganda, don't you?
This is just a research reactor..HaHaHa!

As for the bomb.. "God knows better"..

"The only part of the cycle in KSA is yellow cake." ..that is publicly known..

It is also known that KSA makes its own nuclear reactors with South Korea..

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https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Korea-Saudi-Arabia-progress-with-SMART-collaborati


Saudi Arabia owns 50% of the IP

https://nucleus.iaea.org/sites/INPRO/df18/3.2-K.K.Kim-Korea.pdf

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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabian-south-korean-smart-nuclear-reactor-in-adsw-2017.474688/

Any piece of evidence for a centrifuge or heavy water reactor? Not civil reactor.