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Earlier this year, a powerful image was circulated in Saudi Arabia. A woman with one black eye stared bleakly out. Underneath her niqabed face was written the simple phrase in Arabic: "And what is hidden is greater", a saying that translates as "the tip of the iceberg". This kicked off "No More Abuse", a campaign to highlight and tackle domestic violence in the country. There was some scepticism about the drive, backed by an official charity, but it seems that it has paid off, culminating in an historic move this week as Saudi Arabia's cabinet passed a legal ban on domestic violence and other forms of abuse against women for the first time in the kingdom's history.

The legislation makes sexual violence in the home and the workplace a punishable crime. Moreover, it provides for shelter for victims of abuse and places the onus on law enforcement agencies to follow up on reports of abuse. It is backed up by a jail sentence and hefty fines. While this is an encouraging move, there are too many ways in which it can be thwarted. Such legislation is only fruitful if backed up by the right attitudes. The law does not exist in a vacuum: the problem in this instance is that it is a forward step in a country where male guardianship is not only deep rooted in culture, but enshrined in the law.

The implementation of the law is quite obviously hamstrung by the fact that the ability to report incidents of domestic or sexual abuse is severely limited. There are overwhelming emotional challenges in the act of defying family and the unfamiliarity of calling the law into the home in a society where the private realm is sacrosanct. Ironically, it is probably expat women who will reap more benefit from the law, as they are less constrained by culture and extended family pressures.

Then there are the farcical practical limitations of say, actually reporting a father or husband (who make up 90% of abusers in the kingdom) to the police, when they are your guardian and would probably need to drive you there.

There is a fundamental contradiction between trying to protect women, while also entrusting their fates unconditionally and entirely to their male guardians.

However, in general, these difficulties are not peculiar to Saudi society or even conservative cultures. It is challenging to report abuse for similar reasons anywhere in the world. Emotional confusion, fear of reprisal, or social ostracism and the difficulty of producing proof can all conspire to sweep the problem under the carpet. In a way, the cases that are visible or reported even in the west are also, in their own way, "the tip of the iceberg".

Perhaps we shouldn't fixate on the immediate practical implications of this new law. The hope should be that it will begin to change attitudes. Sometimes the value of a law is in allowing victims to recognise, acknowledge and challenge abusive behaviour. The King Khalid Foundation document that resulted in the new legislation goes into great detail about the unacknowledged levels of domestic and sexual abuse in the country, but goes further in classifying intimidation and emotional torment as abuse, and even outlines protection from abuse as integral to human and citizens' rights.

The issue is not whether victims of abuse will seek redress in a court of law but that they are furnished with the tools and legal framework to recognise and identify all forms of abuse for what they really are. In a culture where so much is falsely justified by religion and custom, where so much self-repression masquerades as honour, such strong language is vital and welcome.

Saudi Arabia's domestic violence law is a first step to changing attitudes | Nesrine Malik | Comment is free | theguardian.com
 
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About freaking time. Now I wonder what the Governemnt will do to appease the bearded lunatics not to flip out over this.
 
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The liberals are twice stronger than the loons. :lol:

Because we are far more educated, organized and have a clear vision for the future. Even though we are outnumbered at least 4 folds.

You see all they can do is throw tantrums like idiots everywhere those rligious bafoons, but in the end only logic and common sense will survive.
 
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Because we are far more educated, organized and have a clear vision for the future. Even though we are outnumbered at least 4 folds.

You see all they can do is throw tantrums like idiots everywhere those rligious bafoons, but in the end only logic and common sense will survive.

The storm is coming, and the loons will be doomed!!!
 
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The storm is coming, and the loons will be doomed!!!

I really like king abdullah the king before him was a idiot
Present king is taking almost all correct things from making your economy reduce its dependency on oil to Defense
& Helping india in Counter Terrorism
The only area which I think he is making a mistake is Syria

Rest all is good
Btw Hindi-Saudi Bhai Bhai:cheers:
 
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I really like king abdullah the king before him was a idiot
Present king is taking almost all correct things from making your economy reduce its dependency on oil to Defense
& Helping india in Counter Terrorism
The only area which I think he is making a mistake is Syria

Rest all is good
Btw Hindi-Saudi Bhai Bhai:cheers:

:tup:

Translation for us illeterates that are not well-versed in South Asian languages, please?

EDIT: The stance on our Arab and Muslim brothers and sisters in Syria is a beautiful one. You are wrong there.
 
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I have seen some conservative Muslims on forums decry this because it's un-Islamic.

Women are going to be in favour of this.

Problem is that even with this new law, I wonder what kind of proof women would need? maybe a confession by the husband and 4 witnesses :lol:
 
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I have seen some conservative Muslims on forums decry this because it's un-Islamic.

Women are going to be in favour of this.

Problem is that even with this new law, I wonder what kind of proof women would need? maybe a confession by the husband and 4 witnesses :lol:

There are 2 court systems in Saudi Arabia:

1- Al-Sharia Court: This was the only court system in KSA until 2008, and everything was referred to Sharia Court, it is the most failed court system in the world and by far the most idiotic and stupid.

2- Court of Grievances: started operating after 2008, it is where judges who are NOT bearded idiotic baboons operate, it is steadily taking over Al-Sharia Court as the main court system with more power being slowly injected into it. This court is based loosely on the western system, 4 witnesses bullcrap does not hold much weigh in this court, and unlike the failed Sharia Court 12 people decide wither someone is guilty or not, or if the case requires more evidence etc. The 12 people include Psychiatrists, Doctors, Engineers and Lawyers.

The cabinet gave abuse cases to the court of grievances and NOT Sharia Court.
 
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There are 2 court systems in Saudi Arabia:

1- Al-Sharia Court: This was the only court system in KSA until 2008, and everything was referred to Sharia Court, it is the most failed court system in the world and by far the most idiotic and stupid.

2- Court of Grievances: started operating after 2008, it is where judges who are NOT bearded idiotic baboons operate, it is steadily taking over Al-Sharia Court as the main court system with more power being slowly injected into it. This court is based loosely on the western system, 4 witnesses bullcrap does not hold much weigh in this court, and unlike the failed Sharia Court 12 people decide wither someone is guilty or not, or if the case requires more evidence etc. The 12 people include Psychiatrists, Doctors, Engineers and Lawyers.

The cabinet gave abuse cases to the court of grievances and NOT Sharia Court.

Interesting, I didn't know this.

So what goes through the courts of grievance? how about adultery?

I take it all murder cases go through Sharia?
 
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Interesting, I didn't know this.

So what goes through the courts of grievance? how about adultery?

I take it all murder cases go through Sharia?

You should have seen how religious dogs kept barking after the Court of Grievances started operating, the King had to fire 28 of the 70 something religious heads of the country to get it to pass, it was one of the most epic moments in KSA history that will eventually lead to a cascade of liberal laws being passed such as the one this thread is about.

Sadly, murder, inheritance, Robbery and you guessed it adultery and similar offenses are still under the Sharia Court, but it is only a matter of time I guess, taking this out of them will require a lot of time and effort to pull off. Court of Grievances handles corporate mergers, assault and abuse as of this week, parking and damage violations AND law suits against the state and government branches as of 2010 which is cool I guess.

As you can see Sharia Court still overpowers Court of Grievances by a few folds, but it is only a matter of time before common sense and reason wins.
 
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It's great to see improvement in Saudi. I agree that they have to be taken carefully and with baby steps because of the conservative nature of the Kingdom.

Next stop, allowing women to drive would be really symbolic.

One of the main things people slate KSA for, is the ban on women driving. It would improve the image greatly if this changed.
 
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It's great to see improvement in Saudi. I agree that they have to be taken carefully and with baby steps because of the conservative nature of the Kingdom.

Next stop, allowing women to drive would be really symbolic.

One of the main things people slate KSA for, is the ban on women driving. It would improve the image greatly if this changed.

It will. King Abdullah has already pledged to do it. The law is pathetic if you ask me to be honest in its BASIC form. But the law impacts many other potentially "dangerous" loopholes if you know what I am referring to. That is probably the biggest worry for those who support the law.

From my personal experience 66% are in favor of abolishing the law. Vast majority of the youth as well.

Besides the law is costly. All the money wasted on drivers etc.

Besides the publicity part. Not that I care much about that since we know that KSA is not like some anti-Muslims and anti-Arabs try to portray it. Far from it. You just have to ask a few non-Arabs/non-Saudis living in KSA on this forum.
 
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Yes I can see that if women are given the freedom to drive, it's only natural that this will lead to demands of more freedoms.

This is how humanity is and KSA cannot escape social change. It will take some time, but it's inevitable.

I think they are doing it in the right way and speed. Fast enough for people to feel change, but slow enough so as not to make it a short sharp change and anger conservatives.

:coffee:
 
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Yes I can see that if women are given the freedom to drive, it's only natural that this will lead to demands of more freedoms.

This is how humanity is and KSA cannot escape social change. It will take some time, but it's inevitable.

I think they are doing it in the right way and speed. Fast enough for people to feel change, but slow enough so as not to make it a short sharp change and anger conservatives.

:coffee:

Not only that but also the sexual aspect. Which would worry the traditional Muslim family or the conservative types. I somehow understand their worries given that some Saudi Arabians can be quite, how to put it, direct if given the opportunity.

You can't make such big changes overnight. Other parts of the world waited HUNDREDS of years for any kind of freedom and most of the world is still struggling by far.

At the end of the day a time will come where the people and society will have spoken and then it will be time for changes/action and hopefully it will come then.

I would want us to keep truth to our ancient culture, practices, religion etc. but at the same time modify it (practices only) if needed and follow with the time as a global player which we are already and always have been.
 
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