Saudi Arabia Persuades Pakistan to Abandon Iran-Pakistan Pipeline

[somebozo]

At the end I must say that without this pipe line our economy will suffer beyond belief and our people will have to start cooking on wood. This pipe line is a strategic level stuff for our country. Not even US or KSA should be allowed to mess with it. It is time we start to tell our true friends from not so true friends.

I can give you a solution to turn wood in gas or agri waste into gas only if our stupid government is willing to support.

 

[longbrained]

I can give you a solution to turn wood in gas or agri waste into gas only if our stupid government is willing to support.

The problem with your solution is that it will not work for 190 million people. How much agri waste we produce? How much of our forests remain that have to be cut? Pakistan is a poor country and is not a western society where agri wastes can be depended on. And even in west how much of for example German economy runs on agri waste?

 

[batmannow]

If Iran has friendly government, i am sure neither Pakistanis nor Saudis will mind.
After all Saudis are much more important ally to us.

BTW we can also get gas from Oman and Turkmenistan. During the Taliban rule in Afghanistan, Pakistan priority was TAPI and this was the sole reason behind PAK US joint backing of Taliban. Heck Taliban even made a tour of USA to model future of Afghanistan.

Dear,
What we got the result by backing up PAK US +ARABIAN & taliban scums?
Where we stand today?
We hve to fucus our eyes on the comming future , not to look back at our horrible mistakes?
Right!

 

[Armstrong]

I'm a massive supporter of Saudi Arabia and consequently of Saudi-Pak relations; incidentally I'd like Pakistan to have really good relations with Iran too and if possible use whatever influence we have on either to pursue a policy of reconciling Iran and Saudi Arabia as a cornerstone of our foreign policy ! However I still feel compelled to point out the importance of the IP Gas Pipeline not only in providing Gas to Pakistan but, possibly if the environment is right, to India and China too ! Even if the fact that our gas starved industries badly need this gas wasn't enough, then the knowledge that there is no viable alternative, should be enough for us to focus on completing this Pipeline aggressively and then get our economy back on track.

To my Saudi Brothers...don't take this the wrong way, it doesn't change our military to military or our people to people relations, nor does it right-off all the many displays of friendship and solidarity that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have exchanged between the two of them. You just have to understand...without the Gas...we're fOoked !

 

[lem34]

A brother is not a brother if he asks his brother to sacrifice himself

Anyway without being sentimental about it Iran China Russia and Pakistan's interests converge. Saudi American and Indian interests and visions in our neighbourhood do not converge with Pakistan's self interest no matter how much some of us may love Americans or Saudis or are sentimental

 

[mjnaushad]

I'll be glad if they (Pak Govt) decide on what is in interest of Pakistan... Not on Brotherly nation.... IF they give us a good deal with long term stability then good... Go with saudi if not then go with Iran.....

 

[longbrained]

A brother is not a brother if he asks his brother to sacrifice himself

Anyway without being sentimental about it Iran China Russia and Pakistan's interests converge. Saudi American and Indian interests and visions in our neighbourhood do not converge with Pakistan's self interest no matter how much some of us may love Americans or Saudis or are sentimental

So true. No understanding on their part for our dire needs. They live 24/7 in air conditioned climate controlled enclosures while our people have to face black outs and energy shortages. Now only for their hate they want Pakistan to stop this project. Just to satisfy their hatred, 190 million Pakistanis have to suffer. Anyways part of the problem is that they are not independent and take their orders from Washington.

 

[lem34]

Correction - Indian plans are favored by everybody.

We dont believe in zero-sum relationships unlike our western neighbour where to be a friend of someone, you gotto be the enemy of other.

Is that why India pulled out of ipi. Before you say its security why does India favour tapi which still has to go through Pakistan

 

[Vassnti]

Seems like a good time for Pakistan to negotiate some long term contracts, get the best possible offer from the Saudis then go see Iran and ask them to beat the price then go back to the Saudis with the lower price

 

[LURKER]

Is that why India pulled out of ipi. Before you say its security why does India favour tapi which still has to go through Pakistan

cite one source that says India still going with TAPI

India will not go ahead with any effing pipeline that involves a 'P'

 

[Kompromat]

Well if Saudis can offer the gas at the same price then why not. Why should we economically help a state which has been expanding co-operation with our foe's since 1979 and undermining our national security by assisting the foe. Instead trading with Saudis will help offset a large trade deficit and will actually be good for the economy.

No doubt SA has stood by Pakistan in EVERY tough corner. But remember , Saudis cannot provide us gas at the same price because of logistical reasons. The only PRACTICAL way of getting energy both oil & gas from SA is to build a submarine pipeline - who is going to pay for it? - Another problem is that IF that pipeline is built , US is going to see it as a cover for supplying saudi oil to China through Pakistan. One BIG reason they still patrol our waters and invaded Afghanistan to stop this from happening as they will lose their grip on the energy route which supplies 80% of China's energy needs.

This is a big game , we need to play smart not as we usually do.

 

[Hashshāshīn]

I'm tired of Saudi's bringing Pakistan to it's feet. Saudi sponsored Islam created the taliban who are now killing Pakistani civilians, haven't you destroyed Pakistan enough? Now Iran is desperate for money because of US and European sanctions and Pakistan is desperate for gas for its energy crisis. Both countries will benefit much with this.

Why should we economically help a state which has been expanding co-operation with our foe's since 1979 and undermining our national security by assisting the foe.

Please elaborate...

 

[lem34]

cite one source that says India still going with TAPI

India will not go ahead with any effing pipeline that involves a 'P'

Go check this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-ties-between-pak-russia-china-iran-cars.html

There are numerous articles regarding the regional conference on Afghanistan. The American's were enthusiastic about their Silk Road idea aka TAPI, China Iran Pakistan Russia were against it and for Putin's suggestions. India's contribution was noticeable that they did not agree with other neighbours

 

[somebozo]

The problem with your solution is that it will not work for 190 million people. How much agri waste we produce? How much of our forests remain that have to be cut? Pakistan is a poor country and is not a western society where agri wastes can be depended on. And even in west how much of for example German economy runs on agri waste?

Around 4000 - 5000 tons. Remember we are a major agriculture exporter and there is tons of waste created by agriculture after crop harvesting. Infact our Sugar & wheat mills are feeding tens of megawatt of energy into the grid by utilizing agri waste.

We did our feasibility study through reputable institutes but the zardari government backed off from the support. We met some high ups of Allied Bank who were personally interested to fund the project with their private fortunes and become share holders in the company but once again the government refused to provide any support in terms of facilities or assistance.

Poor country can build pipelines to import foreign gas but cannot utilize its home grown resources to harvest energy. You should think with your long brain before making a technical statement

No doubt SA has stood by Pakistan in EVERY tough corner. But remember , Saudis cannot provide us gas at the same price because of logistical reasons. The only PRACTICAL way of getting energy both oil & gas from SA is to build a submarine pipeline - who is going to pay for it? - Another problem is that IF that pipeline is built , US is going to see it as a cover for supplying saudi oil to China through Pakistan. One BIG reason they still patrol our waters and invaded Afghanistan to stop this from happening as they will lose their grip on the energy route which supplies 80% of China's energy needs.

This is a big game , we need to play smart not as we usually do.

Iranian gas is like 10% more expensive than the market price isn't it. And this project has been in shelve for a long time as Pak gov shifted its focus to TAPI. The only reason this project is being boosted under current government is for reasons which cannot be stated on PDF anymore.. But lets add a few hints, corruption, kick backs & social associations.

Oh by the way Saudis just offered Pakistan help with its energy crisis, the logic of dragging Iran into it is perhaps figment of an imagination by Press TV impressed journalist.

There is nothing to discount the theory that after this pipe line is complete, we will be virtual hostage to typical Tehran black mailing tactics and as sanctions take a bite on Tehran economy the gas will continue to become more expensive.

 

[DV RULES]

Brothers.......hu What a jok.

If they are so concerned with our energy needs and if they suppose Pakistan as brother country then i will advise SA to close eyes from IP Gas agreement and concentrate on other issues.