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Saudi Arabia now the 18th largest economy in the world and largest in MENA

Wasn’t the GCC supposed to be the way to move towards unification? I remember that there was once a plan to basically have one travel area and one single currency for all GCC, but that seems to have died now.

Also there was the plan to add Jordan to GCC but that has stopped as well.

It is difficult to see if there will ever be a unification of the peninsula.

Greater regional integration and it must be said that it has succeeded on many fronts. Every GCC citizen can travel and trade freely with fellow GCC countries as there are no VISA rules and trade rules are made incredibly easy. Close military integration exist as well. Peninsula Shield Force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula_Shield_Force

Transportation (GCC railway) etc. to name a few examples.



Currency was once spoken about and I am not sure if there are any plans to materialize this in the immediate future.

Given the Qatar crisis (even though they are still members of the GCC and participate in political and military gatherings so relations are not completely cut contrary to popular belief) some of the many joint projects might be delayed or omit Qatar. Time will tell.

As for increasing the GCC member states, Jordan, Yemen and Iraq have all been mentioned. Iraq more recently as a potential and logical member when they get their country fully running in a few years time.

In any case the GCC is overall a great regional Arab organization but we need more Arab regional organizations and to turn the Arab League into a EU like movement to include all Arab states and not just a select few, if you ask me. That should be the goal and many Arab organizations are working towards that openly.

Congratulations Saudi Arabia. They are taking good steps to encourage tourism & this government looks serious about economy. I have feeling Saudi Arabia will get spot in top 10 economy of the world in coming years.

Insha'Allah. Time will tell but the country has undoubtably tremendous potential.

Good for KSA, But it should use it's wealth to gain influence by accelerating in Science and Technology, setup own manufacturing base (specially defense) and create allies by including other Muslim countries in these fields instead of wasting time and resource in playing proxy games with Iran.

All a work in progress.

Article from 3 years ago, things have only improved since.


Oiling the wheels on a road to success
Nature volume 532, pages S13–S15 (28 April 2016) | Download Citation

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.

Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

532S13a-i1.jpg

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index. Image: KAUST

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

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The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population. Image: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images

Saudi Arabia's march to the top Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.

532S13a-g1.jpg

Chemistry More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.

532S13a-g2.jpg

The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

“Saudi Arabia could look to some successful emerging economies for inspiration.”

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth

An internationally rising star This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*. *Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

532S13a-g3.jpg

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

532S13a-i3.jpg

532S13a-i4.jpg

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D. Image: Top: KACST; Bottom: KAUST

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.

“Its rise up the ranks depends on a 'self-correcting mechanism' of a slow start to sustainable growth.”

Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a
 
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Someone is butthurt that 1 Arab country alone (KSA) has a larger economy than 80 million big Turkey. Not even mentioning the other 20+ Arab countries. This divide will only continue as all of our countries will increase their populations (significantly) and we have more unfulfilled potential than anyone else. In the case of KSA I do not need to tell more than richest Muslim country in the world (and one of the richest in the entire world) in terms of natural resources and minerals, BIGGEST potential for wind, solar and alternative energy, biggest visions and largest (percentage wise) youth population. ZERO taxation (one of the biggest income sources of every country) but that will eventually end too so another source of huge income. Hajj, Umrah etc. You will have to cry for a long time to come. Most likely forever as in for your entire lifespan. That is 100% sure.

To imitate a troll and create a post of no value like yours, Insha'Allah your economy will continue to struggle and decrease in size. Reaching the heights of your ancestral land, Armenia, my Turkified and Arabized Anatolian of Arab, Kurdish, Mongol, Greek, Armenian etc. origins. Suggest taking a DNA test to clear your mind from that filthy Arab-obsession of yours.
 
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Someone is butthurt that 1 Arab country alone (KSA) has a larger economy than 80 million big Turkey. Not even mentioning the other 20+ Arab countries

again brainfarts after brainfarts.. I feel nauseated that you guys havent done anything in decades! I am disgusted because you guys eat up what should have belong to the muslims and should have elevated the muslims to upper highs but instead its on its lowest amd filthiest.. that you guys are burying the most of it into zionist american soil! that you guys use it for gold foiled cakes and cars and planes that lose their value year by year and km after km..


mentioning the other 20+ Arab countries
you can be proud of the size of your dads dick.. but it means nothing

you can be proud of your fathers and uncles dick.. no one is stopping you.. but it means nothing and does not reflect your pride

Suggest taking a DNA test to clear your mind from that filthy Arab-obsession of yours

for fun I did it and the results made me stronger in my stance :)

by the way I am not opsessed like you guys.. nor am I blind for propaganda.. you are just talking to someone who does not give a **** and is fed up with ppl like yours.. I dont have any hope to see you guys changing for good.. just ill ppl or money obsessed guys are talking about brotherhood with you but the reality is some ppl will tell you what you want to hear just because they want your money.. you know it I know it they may not know it..

am I writing to saif al arab? the french guy? if yes what a wasted time...
 
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again brainfarts after brainfarts.. I feel nauseated that you guys havent done anything in decades! I am disgusted because you guys eat up what should have belong to the muslims and should have elevated the muslims to upper highs but instead its on its lowest amd filthiest.. that you guys are burying the most of it into zionist american soil! that you guys use it for gold foiled cakes and cars and planes that lose their value year by year and km after km..



you can be proud of the size of your dads dick.. but it means nothing

you can be proud of your fathers and uncles dick.. no one is stopping you.. but it means nothing and does not reflect your pride



for fun I did it and the results made me stronger in my stance :)

by the way I am not opsessed like you guys.. nor am I blind for propaganda.. you are just talking to someone who does not give a **** and is fed up with ppl like yours.. I dont have any hope to see you guys changing for good.. just ill ppl or money obsessed guys are talking about brotherhood with you but the reality is some ppl will tell you what you want to hear just because they want your money.. you know it I know it they may not know it..

am I writing to saif al arab? the french guy? if yes what a wasted time...

That is your filthy and ignorant mind speaking. We are doing much better than the vast majority of the world's population and what is more important we are developing rapidly on every front and our potential is unlimited.

I am indeed proud of the great Arab civilization that is one of the most influential civilizations in the history of mankind and whose living legacy is the Arab and Muslim world to mention a few things.

Sadly (for people like you who live in a delusion) most of you Anatolians are Turkified and Arabized offspring of Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Kurds, Circassians, Bosnians, Albanians and what not. Confirmed by every DNA test. Due to the reforms of Mustafa Kemal many of today's Turks forgot their real origins and had to adopt newly created Turkish surnames as you people did not use surnames until some 100 years ago. You guys live in great delusion of being of Turkic origin when that is less than 5% of your population. I cannot imagine living in such a delusion. All while having inferiority and superiority complexes towards people of the region. I bet that you are of Arab descent yourself to make it even funnier.

French? Are you drunk? Or do you believe the words of the Arabized Farsi trolls here? I am their biggest nightmare for a reason as I can deal with all of them at once. Just 1 Arab. Not much different throughout history as we always won against them in battle even if outnumbered.

Anyway all this is irrelevant. You are trolling and showing your filthy Arab obsession in a thread that does not concern Turkey even though you are a German citizen and living in Germany. Focus on those 2 countries instead of trolling with your idiotic one-liners. Then there will be zero discussion. First the Khasshitry barking and crying and now this. What a joke!
 
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Sadly (for people like you who live in a delusion) most of you Anatolians are Turkified and Arabized offspring of Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Kurds, Circassians, Bosnians, Albanians and what not. Confirmed by every DNA test. Due to the reforms of Mustafa Kemal many of today's Turks forgot their real origins and had to adopt newly created Turkish surnames as you people did not use surnames until some 100 years ago. You guys live in great delusion of being of Turkic origin when that is less than 5% of your population. I cannot imagine living in such a delusion. All while having inferiority and superiority complexes towards people of the region. I bet that you are of Arab descent yourself to make it even funnier.

the one who has inferiority complex is you who pulls out culture and kindess out of thin air..

that made my day,, you showed that you are the ignorant french wannabe beduin saif al arab.. the you even dont read what I write..
 
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the one who has inferiority complex is you who pulls out culture and kindess out of thin air..

that made my day,, you showed that you are the ignorant french wannabe beduin saif al arab.. the you even dont read what I write..

An Arab can never have an inferiority complex. There are no wannabe Turk Arabs like the other way around. No Turkified Arabs like the other way around either. Arabs don't pretend to be Martians (Turkic in your case) while not being it either. Nor are we schizophrenic. Are we European or Middle Eastern? The Europeans don't accept us and the Middle Easterners neither.

In short more retarded drivel from the Arabized and Turkified Anatolian Gypsy troll in a thread that deals about the fact that KSA is the world's 18th largest economy and the largest in the MENA region. That obviously gives you butthurt. Great stuff. It will only get worse in the future as I wrote.
 
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I really wish the Saudis invest the money they make from oil back into their economy - on education, industry, technology, pharmaceuticals, services, etc; rather than sending it to the west on weapons purchases. The oil wont last forever, use it to transform your economy and the whole region, please dont waste it.
 
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An Arab can never have an inferiority complex. There are no wannabe Arab Turks like the other way around. No Turkified Arabs like the other way around either. Arabs don't pretend to be Martians (Turkic in your case) while not being it either. Nor are we schizophrenic. Are we European or Middle Eastern? The Europeans don't accept us and the Middle Easterners neither.

In short more retarded drivel from the Arabized and Turkified Anatolian Gypsy troll in a thread that deals about the fact that KSA is the world's 18th largest economy and the largest in the MENA region.

what ignorant post.. no one gives a **** to arab culture.. most of the people fell uncomfortable if they see that..

again thats your true ugly face..only a true gypsy has that amout of ignorance maybe you should stick to your mothers culture and learn something from them.. or is it because you wernt allowed to play with arab friends?
 
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I really wish the Saudis invest the money they make from oil back into their economy - on education, industry, technology, pharmaceuticals, services, etc; rather than sending it to the west on weapons purchases. The oil wont last forever, use it to transform your economy and the whole region, please dont waste it.

I don't know what it is with some of your guys that are stuck 30 years in time. KSA is one of the best performing Muslim and developing countries in the world in terms of scientific output. We have the best ranked universities in the entire Muslim world. We are making great strides in terms of education and science. One of the fastest scientific growths in the world in the past 10 years.

We have 1 of the 3 largest sovereign wealth funds in the world. We are the biggest investor in the Muslim world. We are essentially depth free. Oil will last for a LONG time and that is notwithstanding the fact that we are the richest country in the Muslim world when it comes to natural resources and minerals and that our non-oil sector is booming.

I will repost this article from the world-renowned Science Magazine posted over 3 years ago. In this time period things have only accelerated under the leadership of MbS.


Oiling the wheels on a road to success
Nature volume 532, pages S13–S15 (28 April 2016) | Download Citation

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.

Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

532S13a-i1.jpg

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index. Image: KAUST

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

532S13a-i2.jpg

The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population. Image: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images

Saudi Arabia's march to the top Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.

532S13a-g1.jpg

Chemistry More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.

532S13a-g2.jpg

The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

“Saudi Arabia could look to some successful emerging economies for inspiration.”

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth

An internationally rising star This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*. *Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

532S13a-g3.jpg

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

532S13a-i3.jpg

532S13a-i4.jpg

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D. Image: Top: KACST; Bottom: KAUST

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.

“Its rise up the ranks depends on a 'self-correcting mechanism' of a slow start to sustainable growth.”

Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

A few days ago Saudi Arabian students won gold medals in an international physics and science olympiad in Latvia. Will post the article in a few minutes when I find it.

Saudi foundation wins gold, bronze in European Physics Olympiad

RIYADH: Azan Al-Majnooni and Hisham Al-Maliki, of the King Abdul Aziz and his Companions Foundation for Giftedness and Creativity (Mawhiba), won gold and bronze medals respectively at the European Physics Olympiad (EUPHO) 2019, in Riga, Latvia.
The contest ran from May 31 to June 4, and the Saudi duo were praised for their awards by the secretary-general of Mawhiba, Dr. Saud bin Saeed Al-Mathami.
Al-Mathami stressed that the accomplishments were achieved thanks to government support for the sciences and the foundation. This was the first time the Kingdom had taken part in EUPHO, which hosted 26 other nations.
“This comes as an extension to the march toward achieving the targets of the Kingdom’s Vision 2030 through improving education and building a solid base for a talented generation, capable of realizing the aspirations of a state able to rely on creativity and innovation as a means to achieve,” he said.
The secretary-general added that Saudi Arabia paid great attention to gifted and talented citizens, catering their needs and requirements, upgrading services and programs supporting them, and creating the right environment to grow and develop their abilities.
Al-Mathami underlined that this victory was the result of fruitful and constructive cooperation between Mawhiba and King Abdullah University of Science and Technology and the Royal Commission for Jubail and Yanbu.
EUPHO is an international student contest, first held in 2017 in Estonia, and then in Russia 12 months later.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1506936/saudi-arabia

I have seen tons of Saudi Arabian businessmen in Europe investing big money in various technological startups and often they are investing in fellow Arab and Muslim startups! A deliberate policy. Investing in the West and East (China is our largest trade partner) is a wise thing to do and will continue. Arabs (historically) always traded with everyone hence us controlling most of the trade routes between East and West due to our geography and outreach. For us business is business.

Here is a statistic:

As of 2018, Saudi Arabia ranks 28 worldwide in terms of high-quality research output according to the renowned scientific journal Nature.[564] This makes Saudi Arabia the best performing Middle Eastern, Arab and Muslim country.

Saudi Arabia spends 8.8 % of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the global average of 4.6%, which is nearly double the global average on education.[565]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

But yeah, we are throwing gold bars in toilets and using dollars to light bonfires when we are out chilling in the mountains, seaside or deserts while smoking shisha that is diamond-plated while throwing bones to our slaves who entertain us. After all (apparently) Arabs were big on slave trade or so I heard so old traditions die seldom.
 
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You have potential but as do many other Muslim nations. However MBS will most likely end up destroying you with his oppression and abuses.
 
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Its just sad the the biggest Muslim economy can just catch up to tiny Netherlands not something we should be proud of
 
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You have potential but as do many other Muslim nations. However MBS will most likely end up destroying you with his oppression and abuses.

What makes you say that and which oppression and abuses are you talking about?

Everything measurable (economic output, growth of the non-oil sector, scientific output, educational level, investments in startups, growth of our sovereign wealth fund, investments home and abroad, evolvement of our indigenous military sector etc.) points to the exact opposite. Not even going to talk about the much needed social reforms and the removal of almost all moronic laws that dated back to the Sahwa movement.

Its just sad the the biggest Muslim economy can just catch up to tiny Netherlands not something we should be proud of

You are comparing apples and oranges. For 99% of recorded history the Netherlands was a nobody compared to what is modern-day KSA (Arabia) and the Arab world. Go back 750 years in time and it was us Arabs that ruled the largest, most influential and richest (or certainly one of them) empires (Abbasid Caliphate).

History and development is not a linear trend. After the Mongol sacking the entire Islamic world stagnated (with good reason). On the other hand in the past 500 years or so the West developed extremely rapidly and took over the mantle on pretty much every front. Netherlands being an important part of that revolution. Hence it enabled the Netherlands to become one of the most developed countries of the world with one of the most sophisticated economies. The Protestant revolution also helped and so did Netherlands colonial past. As did migration to the Netherlands.

BTW no country in the Muslim world (yet) has undergone a full-scale industrial revolution and able to create (indigenously) critical technological achievements all by their own. However logic, history and time dictates that this will change. So while the situation today is not ideal, it will improve. Not because I say so but because that is exactly what will happen.


Netherlands is not a "tiny" country population wise and that is the most important key hence why all the top 10 economies of the world have sizable populations. There is a reason why China, India and the US will be the 3 largest economies in the not so distant future. "Interestingly" enough all 3 are in the top 3 of largest populations of the entire world.

If the Arab world was 1 single country we would easily be in the top 10. Top 5 eventually as well. If the GCC was 1 country we would almost be in the top 10 as of today.
 
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What makes you say that and which oppression and abuses are you talking about?

Everything measurable (economic output, growth of the non-oil sector, scientific output, educational level, investments in startups, growth of our sovereign wealth fund, investments home and abroad, evolvement of our indigenous military sector etc.) points to the exact opposite. Not even going to talk about the much needed social reforms and the removal of almost all moronic laws that dated back to the Sahwa movement.

Reports of torture becoming more prevalent in Saudi prisons against people who don't toe the line with what MBS wants. The increase in jailing and torturing of sunni scholars. These are two things.

I have over the years tried to give your leaders the benefit of the doubt, I understood that they weren't good men but I thought well whatever, there could be worse scenarios. But MBS, this guy breaks all the stereotypes. He will lead you to bad places. He may have his small initial victory but no Muslim nation with a ruthless tyrant flourishes in the long term.
 
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