Saudi Arabia changes Ottoman ‘Empire’ to ‘occupation’ in school textbooks

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

No it belongs to the people of Saudi Arabia
The group of people which is native to Makkah and is living there right now

I guess you didn't get what I was saying so I'll break it down for you.
The native Sharif of Mecca left.
Sharif of Mecca was Quraish, can't get more native than that, right?
Yet another group from different part of Arabia occupied it for political leverage. They still control it today.
So, either stay true to your logic or accept that the very significance of that place is its veneration by Muslims all over the globe and "Saudi" clan is occupying it today.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Long live the empire! Long live turkey! These people may be liberal but they recite kalma when something bad happens to Muslims.there is still passion and there is still will to fight against Israel.turks don't accept European dictatorship.they are still very powerful people.arabs are weak.saudia was formed with the support of British.al saud will never become centre of attraction.if they have shame,they should change their policy towards Muslim countries specially turkey.these saudis made Egypt their Ally and enemy of turkey.shah Faisal was the only man who wanted to see Muslim united.arabs think of themselves as some kind of superior muslims.reality is they are weak and Israel will soon become their friend and Israel will repeat the same game again.first become friends,start attacking Muslim countries and annex all land.this is the real game.arabs are weak with almost no military training.arabs should learn something from history.ottoman was the greatest Muslim empire.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Why would a non-Arab Muslim from a sovereign country go under the leadership of Arabs?

Arab is a nationalist name. Turk is a nationalist name. Indian , israeli , iranian these are all nationalist names. Nationalism is the death of islam.

We are muslims first, Arabs , blacks, africans, americans russians pakistani banglalis later.

Those who are nationalist will die soon under a white smoke that will engulf majority of the world as the prophecies tell.


If you love pakistan more than islam. More than muslims than you are a pakistani first not a muslim first.


In islam you are muslim first. Outside of islam you can be martians or Aliens, islam doesn't care for nationalistic concepts. Nor racial concepts.

Arabs can go walk in a park. Pakistaniz can go take a hike.
Muslim first or no muslim at all that is the concept of ummah which is absent.

Though we think we are muslims we are only imposters copycats of muslims. We only have muslim names and some visual practices like going to a mosque for sake of satisfying our insecurities.


We are not muslim that i can assure you. We are arabs. Pakistaniz and turks first. Muslims later.


Nationalism is the death of Islam.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Arab is a nationalist name. Turk is a nationalist name. Indian , israeli , iranian these are all nationalist names. Nationalism is the death of islam.

We are muslims first, Arabs , blacks, africans, americans russians pakistani banglalis later.

Those who are nationalist will die soon under a white smoke that will engulf majority of the world as the prophecies tell.


If you love pakistan more than islam. More than muslims than you are a pakistani first not a muslim first.


In islam you are muslim first. Outside of islam you can be martians or Aliens, islam doesn't care for nationalistic concepts. Nor racial concepts.

Arabs can go die. Pakistaniz can go take a hike.
Muslim first or no muslim at all that is the concept of ummah which is absent.

Though we think we are muslims we are only imposters copycats of muslims. We only have muslim names and some visual practices like going to a mosque for sake of satisfying our insecurities.


We ate not muslim that i can assure you. We are arabs. Pakistaniz and turks first. Muslims later.

I though I will never read such vision on this forum...
Many Muslims nowadays got one Religion... Nationalism... A racist/Self Centric Ideology... that put themselves and their own future above everything else... good or bad...

Nationalism is the Biggest Enemy of Islam... and yet... they took it as their savior... That's what you get when you fall in a Desire Driven society... and take The Dunya as your God...

 

[doorstar]

Qaaba belongs to Arabs? Ever heard of the name "Beytullah" (Bakara, 2/125), it's a place for every believer.

What Arabs should do is taking care of it, clean, repair, fix the problems etc. but instead what they do is profitizing it by building high lux hotels next to it for ultra rich where you can look from above.

Don't tell me Qaaba belongs to Arabs!

by your ottoman logic does Hagia Sophia belongs to Greeks or Turks? kartarpur and nankana belong to Pakistan or bharat? Vatican city belongs to Rome or to Ireland and Mexico?

Turk and Persian are the cause of the decline of the Arabs!

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

I guess you didn't get what I was saying so I'll break it down for you.
The native Sharif of Mecca left.
Sharif of Mecca was Quraish, can't get more native than that, right?
Yet another group from different part of Arabia occupied it for political leverage. They still control it today.
So, either stay true to your logic or accept that the very significance of that place is its veneration by Muslims all over the globe and "Saudi" clan is occupying it today.

I am of Qurayish banu hashim clan and we have a book with names of our ancestors and their wills before they die. And we practice it even till today.

Before anyone of us dies in illness or battle we call our sons if we have any, make a promise not leave hanafism (faith of Abraham PBUH) till our last breath, we promise to uphold everything written in Torah and injeel ( Old testament and the new Testament) and we promise to act upon evething written in Quran and spoken by Last Profit ( Mohammad PBUH) of The Creator. And we promise to protect the keepers of kabah with our life. ( keepers of kabah are sharifain of Maecca our blood cousins. It is a record stored in scrolls and leaves.

The keeper of kabah doesn't mean kabah belongs to them, keeper of kabah means they take care of it and everyone visiting the kabah.

Kabah only Belongs to Allah. It was made by Ismael ( Ishmael (PBUH) and His father Abrahim ( Abraham) Peace be upon them even they don't claim it as their property in their wills. Kabbah Belongs to Allah and All those who serve him ( Muslims, christians & Jews)

It is only a building a memory , a direction for prayer nothing more. Most important is we (believers) unite under one flag and be Muslims. ( no shia, no sunni, no turk, no pakistani, no persian, no arab no chinese no black, no white) Just Muslims ( Believers in Allah)


Anyways its getting religious and i don't want to talk religion or faith on public forums like this.

Anyways nationalism is not a muslim concept . its a primitive philosophy that will die out in a few decades.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Hindutva sanghi syndrome.

Elaborate

 

[letsrock]

well its been turks themselves who showed their backs on their muslim history and roots and tried to so desperately europeans. They waited patiently outside the EU tent waiting for admission - did every little reform EU asked of them. But the more they did the more EU demanded of them. They even changed their script to latin to make them acceptable to europeans. No point blaming sauids now.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The Arabs need the Ottoman Empire far far more than the Ottoman Empire needs the Arabs.

 

[Oublious]

well its been turks themselves who showed their backs on their muslim history and roots and tried to so desperately europeans. They waited patiently outside the EU tent waiting for admission - did every little reform EU asked of them. But the more they did the more EU demanded of them. They even changed their script to latin to make them acceptable to europeans. No point blaming sauids now.

This shows how low logics you have, what does this have to do with the topic.

 

[doorstar]

This shows how low logics you have, what does this have to do with the topic.

it shows how you destroyed Islamic power with your superiority complex and racism against the darker races. and have been trying to disassociate yourselves from them and have been begging the west to accept you as whites even going as far as to renounce Islam to be accepted as white

 

[Oublious]

it shows how you destroyed Islamic power with your superiority complex and racism against the darker races. and have been trying to disassociate yourselves from them and have been begging the west to accept you as whites even going as far as to renounce Islam to be accepted as white

Ahahah, yes we see who is destroyed in dark ages. Look who is talking go talk to your king mbs with his 2030 vision, trying to look good against the west and selling Palestine. The biggest renounce is happening in ksa and now fak off...

 

[doorstar]

now fak off...

wannabe EU freaks can never stick to the point, when one shows them the mirror about the past they jump to the present or the future, and no, mbs is not my king, my flag should give you a clue as to who my Monarch is

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Anyways nationalism is not a muslim concept .

I agree with you, except in two cases.

Pakistani nationalism is based on Islam and Muslim heritage. It is the only nation founded on Islam and the Two Nation Theory comes straight from the Quran.

Turkish nationalism (besides the extreme form) was primarily based upon Muslim conquest of Anatolia and Eastern Europe, hence is inclusive in nature.

 

[damm1t]

well its been turks themselves who showed their backs on their muslim history and roots and tried to so desperately europeans. They waited patiently outside the EU tent waiting for admission - did every little reform EU asked of them. But the more they did the more EU demanded of them. They even changed their script to latin to make them acceptable to europeans. No point blaming sauids now.

@Oublious , what is this short pants talking about?

by your ottoman logic does Hagia Sophia belongs to Greeks or Turks? kartarpur and nankana belong to Pakistan or bharat? Vatican city belongs to Rome or to Ireland and Mexico?

Turk and Persian are the cause of the decline of the Arabs!

Hagia Sofia is a church idiot. Qaaba is the house of Allah, by the God's defination and belongs to every Muslim.