Bilad al-Haramayn
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You did not get the point did you? Baloch people do not rule a separate independent nation called Baluchistan which is what the nationalists among you want. Hence there is no Baloch nation state which was solely my point. That's a fact.
Yes, and Arabs founded 3 of the 11 largest empires in human history (more than any other ethnic group in the top 15) and have ruled countless of caliphates, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates etc. on 3 continents.
Pakistan was created in 1947 and ruled by the British for longer (British India) than any Arab country. During the time of the Ottoman Caliphate (not talking about the 1000 years before where Arabs (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid ruled the Caliphate) half of the Arab world was sovereign. From sovereign Moroccan kingdoms in the west to Oman in the East. In fact the Omani Sultanate owned this stretch of land quite recently.
Gwadar for instance was sold to Pakistan by the Omani Sultan as late as 1958...
The reason why most of the Arab world came under British and French influence (not all, most of Arabia remained independent, for instance KSA was never a Western colony), is because of pure geography as the Arab world is a direct neighbor of Europe. Besides the British/French presence was relatively short. No more than a few decades. The longest was actually Algeria which was under French influence for 130 years but the French effectively only controlled the North (not the countryside) and main cities.
I already told you that Hijazis are Arab people (of course Hijaz is also a diverse region due to Hajj, Umrah, trade, geography and historical reasons) and not a separate ethnicity like Baloch. Arabs, as I wrote, have over 20 sovereign states (more than any other ethnicity) while Baloch people do not have their sovereign state but are part of 2 states (Pakistan and Iran). Parts of Afghanistan too.
There are almost as many Arabs in Iran as Baloch but Arabs do not have a state in Iran. Similarly there are Arabs in Afghanistan (the Afghan national anthem even acknowledges that) but they do not have their own state either. There are some 30 million people of Arab origin in Latin America but Arabs do not have any sovereign states there. I could mention many examples all over the world.
Anyway let us return to the topic and if you believe that I have a problem with the 8-10 million Baloch people you are mistaken but I have always sensed a somewhat anti-Arab attitude from your part. Anyway I do not know what you really believe as I do not know you.
@Falcon29 here we have a supposed Kuwaiti national who is half Baloch and half English who was probably born in Kuwait, lives there etc. yet the hatred for Arabs is obvious. Of course such people should be deported back to their ancestral lands if they hate Arabs so much. Imagine a citizen of non-native Pakistani origin living in Pakistan but badmouthing Pakistanis? I wonder how many here would tolerate it? And then she wonders why she got exposed when her entire purpose here is to troll Arabs as you yourself noticed on that Iranian Mullah forum and which her posts here confirm as well. She/he (whatever she is) of cause tried to hide that before the exposure, lol. What a tool but I won't waste my time on her anymore. Let her troll on some Pakistani forum, facts won't change due to that. She would be absolutely ridiculed on an Arab forum and rightly so. A great "representative" of Kuwait.
You did not get the point did you? Baloch people do not rule a separate independent nation called Baluchistan which is what the nationalists among you want. Hence there is no Baloch nation state which was solely my point. That's a fact.
Yes, and Arabs founded 3 of the 11 largest empires in human history (more than any other ethnic group in the top 15) and have ruled countless of caliphates, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates etc. on 3 continents.
Pakistan was created in 1947 and ruled by the British for longer (British India) than any Arab country. During the time of the Ottoman Caliphate (not talking about the 1000 years before where Arabs (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid ruled the Caliphate) half of the Arab world was sovereign. From sovereign Moroccan kingdoms in the west to Oman in the East. In fact the Omani Sultanate owned this stretch of land quite recently.
Gwadar for instance was sold to Pakistan by the Omani Sultan as late as 1958...
The reason why most of the Arab world came under British and French influence (not all, most of Arabia remained independent, for instance KSA was never a Western colony), is because of pure geography as the Arab world is a direct neighbor of Europe. Besides the British/French presence was relatively short. No more than a few decades. The longest was actually Algeria which was under French influence for 130 years but the French effectively only controlled the North (not the countryside) and main cities.
I already told you that Hijazis are Arab people (of course Hijaz is also a diverse region due to Hajj, Umrah, trade, geography and historical reasons) and not a separate ethnicity like Baloch. Arabs, as I wrote, have over 20 sovereign states (more than any other ethnicity) while Baloch people do not have their sovereign state but are part of 2 states (Pakistan and Iran). Parts of Afghanistan too.
There are almost as many Arabs in Iran as Baloch but Arabs do not have a state in Iran. Similarly there are Arabs in Afghanistan (the Afghan national anthem even acknowledges that) but they do not have their own state either. There are some 30 million people of Arab origin in Latin America but Arabs do not have any sovereign states there. I could mention many examples all over the world.
Anyway let us return to the topic and if you believe that I have a problem with the 8-10 million Baloch people you are mistaken but I have always sensed a somewhat anti-Arab attitude from your part. Anyway I do not know what you really believe as I do not know you.
@Falcon29 here we have a supposed Kuwaiti national who is half Baloch and half English who was probably born in Kuwait, lives there etc. yet the hatred for Arabs is obvious. Of course such people should be deported back to their ancestral lands if they hate Arabs so much. Imagine a citizen of non-native Pakistani origin living in Pakistan but badmouthing Pakistanis? I wonder how many here would tolerate it? And then she wonders why she got exposed when her entire purpose here is to troll Arabs as you yourself noticed on that Iranian Mullah forum and which her posts here confirm as well. She/he (whatever she is) of cause tried to hide that before the exposure, lol. What a tool but I won't waste my time on her anymore. Let her troll on some Pakistani forum, facts won't change due to that. She would be absolutely ridiculed on an Arab forum and rightly so. A great "representative" of Kuwait.
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