Bilad al-Haramayn
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Iran democratic? Afghanistan democratic? Pakistan democratic? Several Arab states are ranked as more democratic states. What the hell is your point here? None of it changes the fact that I mentioned. Pakistan itself is a British creation. Countless of Arab states are not as they were independent states before any Westerners emerged in the region. Pretty much every single Arab nation existed when Pakistan was founded in 1947, with the exception of UAE which was made up of different emirates which later joined hands in the early 1970's.
Google has been invented. Yes, several centuries old royal families who have ruled the same regions for centuries before any Brits even ventured into the Arab world/ME were "invented" by the West, lol. Some having ruled the same historical regions for ever 1000 years. Sharifs of Makkah being a good example if we speak about Hijaz. Heck Hashemite rule of Hijaz predate the foundation of England/UK as a country. Same story with numerous previous kingdoms,sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates in Yemen, North Africa, Sham, Iraq, Egypt etc.
What is modern-day KSA had countless of rulers and sovereign states (you quite clearly have no clue about this) and the House of Saud were Emirs, Imams and Sultans centuries before any British presence. In fact they for decades ruled much of Arabia including most modern-day states. Same story in the Arab world. Once again, KSA was never a Western colony and only small parts of KSA were ever under Ottoman influence/rule, the exception being Hijaz which was ruled by the local Sharifs of Makkah and Madinah who gave their allegiance to the Sultan of Ottoman. Ottoman presence in Hijaz was very small and limited to the main cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesh_Eyalet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hejaz_Vilayet
"Like Ottoman control in North Africa, Yemen, Bahrain, and Lahsa, the Ottomans had no "effective, long term control" outside of the ports where there was a direct Ottoman presence and garrison.[7]
Learn the difference between outright rule like British India and being a protectorate in the case of Egypt, Morocco (only 42 years moreover) etc. All those states retained their own previous head of states (Kings) etc.
Nevertheless they were Arabs and ruled most of the Islamic world for 1 millennia.
Arabs were the largest ethnic group in the Ottoman Empire and were a key element of it on all fronts. Some Arabs rebelled against the increasingly nationalistic and failing Ottomans while others fought for it. People who know history, know that it was much more complicated than that.
Your map is nonsense as well:
The Ottoman Empire at its greatest extent, in 1683.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
At its largest the Ottoman Empire was 5,200,000 km². The Arab world is almost 3 times bigger than that so make that even less than half in fact.
See the maps of the Omani Kingdom that I posted. They speak for themselves.
Since when is Iran entirely "Iranic". Did the millions of Azeris (Turks and second largest ethnic group), Qashqais, Turkmens, Arabs, Assyrians etc. suddenly disappear?
Same with Turkey, did the millions of Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Arabs etc. disappear suddenly?
LOL, you do realize that Muslims from all across the world have been settling in Hijaz for the past 1400 years due to Hajj, Umrah, trade etc? Northern Hijaz was even part of the Roman Empire.
By virtue of those historical people being Semitic and them belonging to ancestors of Arabs (previous Semitic peoples), sure we can. Especially as Semites originated in the Arabian Peninsula and Southern Levant.
No, they have not lost their culture. Their surnames are Arab, they look Arab, they have retained many Arab traditions, cuisine etc. Many still speak Arabic as their second language. I am talking about the 30-40 million big Arab community in Latin America. Same story with Afghanistan, many Arabs, despite being present in Afghanistan for 1400 years, still retain their culture and language although it's obviously harder after this long. Let alone Arab communities in South East Asia, Europe etc. Using that logic, you must view those 500.000-1 million or so Baloch in the GCC, as fully Arabized, which I doubt that you do despite intermarriages as well and in certain areas a quite long presence.
Judging by your post you have very little knowledge about Arabs and our history or that of the Arab world. No disrespect but its quite obvious.
@Falcon29 Spurs were obliterated. End of an era. I would actually not rule OKC beating Warriors in the Western finals out. Not saying that it will happen but OKC have surprised me positively a lot in this series.
Google has been invented. Yes, several centuries old royal families who have ruled the same regions for centuries before any Brits even ventured into the Arab world/ME were "invented" by the West, lol. Some having ruled the same historical regions for ever 1000 years. Sharifs of Makkah being a good example if we speak about Hijaz. Heck Hashemite rule of Hijaz predate the foundation of England/UK as a country. Same story with numerous previous kingdoms,sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates in Yemen, North Africa, Sham, Iraq, Egypt etc.
What is modern-day KSA had countless of rulers and sovereign states (you quite clearly have no clue about this) and the House of Saud were Emirs, Imams and Sultans centuries before any British presence. In fact they for decades ruled much of Arabia including most modern-day states. Same story in the Arab world. Once again, KSA was never a Western colony and only small parts of KSA were ever under Ottoman influence/rule, the exception being Hijaz which was ruled by the local Sharifs of Makkah and Madinah who gave their allegiance to the Sultan of Ottoman. Ottoman presence in Hijaz was very small and limited to the main cities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesh_Eyalet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hejaz_Vilayet
"Like Ottoman control in North Africa, Yemen, Bahrain, and Lahsa, the Ottomans had no "effective, long term control" outside of the ports where there was a direct Ottoman presence and garrison.[7]
Learn the difference between outright rule like British India and being a protectorate in the case of Egypt, Morocco (only 42 years moreover) etc. All those states retained their own previous head of states (Kings) etc.
Nevertheless they were Arabs and ruled most of the Islamic world for 1 millennia.
Arabs were the largest ethnic group in the Ottoman Empire and were a key element of it on all fronts. Some Arabs rebelled against the increasingly nationalistic and failing Ottomans while others fought for it. People who know history, know that it was much more complicated than that.
Your map is nonsense as well:
The Ottoman Empire at its greatest extent, in 1683.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
At its largest the Ottoman Empire was 5,200,000 km². The Arab world is almost 3 times bigger than that so make that even less than half in fact.
See the maps of the Omani Kingdom that I posted. They speak for themselves.
Since when is Iran entirely "Iranic". Did the millions of Azeris (Turks and second largest ethnic group), Qashqais, Turkmens, Arabs, Assyrians etc. suddenly disappear?
Same with Turkey, did the millions of Kurds, Zazas, Circassians, Arabs etc. disappear suddenly?
LOL, you do realize that Muslims from all across the world have been settling in Hijaz for the past 1400 years due to Hajj, Umrah, trade etc? Northern Hijaz was even part of the Roman Empire.
By virtue of those historical people being Semitic and them belonging to ancestors of Arabs (previous Semitic peoples), sure we can. Especially as Semites originated in the Arabian Peninsula and Southern Levant.
No, they have not lost their culture. Their surnames are Arab, they look Arab, they have retained many Arab traditions, cuisine etc. Many still speak Arabic as their second language. I am talking about the 30-40 million big Arab community in Latin America. Same story with Afghanistan, many Arabs, despite being present in Afghanistan for 1400 years, still retain their culture and language although it's obviously harder after this long. Let alone Arab communities in South East Asia, Europe etc. Using that logic, you must view those 500.000-1 million or so Baloch in the GCC, as fully Arabized, which I doubt that you do despite intermarriages as well and in certain areas a quite long presence.
Judging by your post you have very little knowledge about Arabs and our history or that of the Arab world. No disrespect but its quite obvious.
@Falcon29 Spurs were obliterated. End of an era. I would actually not rule OKC beating Warriors in the Western finals out. Not saying that it will happen but OKC have surprised me positively a lot in this series.
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