Saudi Apache helicopter Shot Down by Yemeni Forces

[Khan_patriot]

Hold on a second. Since when did the Houthis become 'Yemeni Army'? @waz @Oscar @Zaki this thread is contributing poisonous, negative rhetoric against one of our key allies by using insidious terminology designed to skew people's perceptions of reality.

The Saudis albiet our allies are the tyrants in this scenario, they just want to impose their own ideology over Yemen and contribute to its overall imperial design. The Sauds are doing the same else where in the Islamic world as well, Syria, Iraq, even in Pakistan but the circumstances and methods are different.

 

[Mrc]

The Saudis albiet our allies are the tyrants in this scenario, they just want to impose their own ideology over Yemen and contribute to its overall imperial design. The Sauds are doing the same else where in the Islamic world as well, Syria, Iraq, even in Pakistan but the circumstances and methods are different.

But houthis also dont represent **yemeni army** they are also pawns of another meddling power i.e iran ... and all you wrote about saudia also holds true for iran...

I think the poster (and me as well) are questioning source and language used while not commenting on morality

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

But houthis also dont represent **yemeni army** they are also pawns of another meddling power i.e iran ... and all you wrote about saudia also holds true for iran...

I think the poster (and me as well) are questioning source and language used while not commenting on morality

The Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy. Are you even familiar with Yemeni politics?

 

[Mrc]

The Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy. Are you even familiar with Yemeni politics?

Nope to b honest... but i thought they were iranian stooges...
Please correct me...

 

[CriticalThought]

The Saudis have no right to be interfering in Yemen just like any other country. We accuse other nations of interference and this is no different. The Saudis are dropping bombs to eliminate their adversaries which is also killing scores of innocent civilians. It is wrong. This is the reason why Pakistan distanced itself from this war in the first place.

OK, you got the brief from GHQ. Meanwhile, you have conveniently sidelined the Iranian interference that has caused this problem in the first place. I am calling you out for twisting facts and reinforcing the poisonous rhetoric against our ally.

By the way, we distanced ourselves from the war by supplying tens of millions of dollars worth of ammunition from POF. Its called surgical strike from a distance.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

The Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy. Are you even familiar with Yemeni politics?

So exactly what they are ? please enlighten us all.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Nope to b honest... but i thought they were iranian stooges...
Please correct me...

They're not. Even the Americans admitted back in 2015 that there were very few ties between the Houthis and Iran. In fact, back in 2014, the Iranians were alarmed at the growing power of the Houthis that they warned them against taking over Sana'a. The Houthis basically told the Iranians to get lost and captured Sana'a anyway.

I hope you realize that it was the Saudis and Emiratis who empowered the Houthis in the first place. Back in 2012, the Saudis and Emiratis were so terrified at the prospect of a Muslim Brotherhood takeover in Yemen that they encouraged the Houthis to start a war against the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood (Al-Islah). The Saudis and Emiratis did not realize at the time that the Houthis were going to become so powerful that they would end up conquering most of Yemen's inhabited areas.

It was the foolishness of the Saudis and Emiratis that basically paved the way for Iran to establish its own presence in Yemen. The Saudi-led war against the Houthis ended up pushing the Houthis closer to Iran than they've ever been in their entire history.

 

[CriticalThought]

The Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy. Are you even familiar with Yemeni politics?

Quote from

https://twq.elliott.gwu.edu/sites/twq.elliott.gwu.edu/files/downloads/TWQ_Summer2016_Ricotta.pdf

Note that the article itself starts out be deemphasizing the strength of Iranian-Houthi links, but for me President Saleh's quote below is the most important thing and shows clearly that Houthis are infact an Iranian proxiy.

Iran’s support for Ansar Allah (the Houthis) has been a constant worry for the Yemeni state and the Saudis. In RAND’s 2010 report on the Houthis, the authors note that although Iran at this point had started to make some public statements in support of the Houthis, the Iranians were extremely hesitant to enter the fray.

Iranian support for the Houthis seems to have increased since the group has been able to take more territory and governing responsibilities, most notably taking Sanaa, the capital, in September of 2014 and advancing towards Aden
in March of 2015. In an interview with The New York Times, former President Saleh describes the Houthis as “trying to exploit people” by saying that the state is fighting all Zaydis. When asked why Iran supports the Houthis, he had
replied in 2008, “[The Iranians] support them because they think that the rebels are from Ahl al-Bayt [the family of the Prophet Mohammed, of utmost important to Shi‘a]. Just as they support Hassan Nasrallah [leader of Lebanese Hezbollah]. They have this approach. And also to settle scores with the USA. Of course Iran cannot reach the USA so they settle scores with the USA in other countries, whether in Arab nations like Yemen, or otherwise.”

They're not. Even the Americans admitted back in 2015 that there were very few ties between the Houthis and Iran. In fact, back in 2014, the Iranians were alarmed at the growing power of the Houthis that they warned them against taking over Sana'a. The Houthis basically told the Iranians to get lost and captured Sana'a anyway.

I hope you realize that it was the Saudis and Emiratis who empowered the Houthis in the first place. Back in 2012, the Saudis and Emiratis were so terrified at the prospect of a Muslim Brotherhood takeover in Yemen that they encouraged the Houthis to start a war against the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood (Al-Islah). The Saudis and Emiratis did not realize at the time that the Houthis were going to become so powerful that they would end up conquering most of Yemen's inhabited areas.

It was the foolishness of the Saudis and Emiratis that basically paved the way for Iran to establish its own presence in Yemen. The Saudi-led war against the Houthis ended up pushing the Houthis closer to Iran than they've ever been in their entire history.

So in Pakistani parlance we call this a case of dog barking at its own master. The dog needs to be put in its place.

The Saudis albiet our allies are the tyrants in this scenario, they just want to impose their own ideology over Yemen and contribute to its overall imperial design. The Sauds are doing the same else where in the Islamic world as well, Syria, Iraq, even in Pakistan but the circumstances and methods are different.

They want to impose their own ideology? Do you have the official communication on that? Or is that top secret and can't be revealed on a public forum?

 

[haviZsultan]

I agree with @Dalit s assessment. Pakistan has no reason to try to be the policemen of the world like baba America. US is hated for its interference in the region and trying to police the world. We should not follow suit. This shia and sunni war is something we should avoid at all costs. Only innocent people are dying in Syria and Yemen, only because of the narrow mindedness of Saudi and Iran.

 

[sohailbutt1987]

And some punks would say we are going to get 22 APACNHEEEEZ and turn you back into stoneage times! INVINCIBLE APANCHEEEEEZ!

Oh by the way any one familiar with Riyadh, we have one retired APANCHEEEEEZ on display on exit 11!

 

[CBU-105]

good job, Yemenis.

 

[CriticalThought]

I agree with @Dalit s assessment. Pakistan has no reason to try to be the policemen of the world like baba America. US is hated for its interference in the region and trying to police the world. We should not follow suit. This shia and sunni war is something we should avoid at all costs. Only innocent people are dying in Syria and Yemen, only because of the narrow mindedness of Saudi and Iran.

Wait, please I am not saying we should be a part of the war. But this forum shouldn't be used for dispensing poisonous rhetoric against our key ally. That's all I am saying.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Quote from

https://twq.elliott.gwu.edu/sites/twq.elliott.gwu.edu/files/downloads/TWQ_Summer2016_Ricotta.pdf

Note that the article itself starts out be deemphasizing the strength of Iranian-Houthi links, but for me President Saleh's quote below is the most important thing and shows clearly that Houthis are infact an Iranian proxiy.





So in Pakistani parlance we call this a case of dog barking at its own master. The dog needs to be put in its place.



They wan to impose their own ideology? Do you have the official communication on that? Or is that top secret and can't be revealed on a public forum?

The Iranians supported the Houthis to some extent in 2009 and 2010 because, back then, they were fighting a war against both Saudi Arabia and the Yemeni government. But after the advent of the Arab Spring, Iran's influence over the Houthis began to decrease. In 2012, the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood was on the verge of taking over the country, at which point Saudi Arabia and the UAE began to ally with the Houthis and encouraged them to fight the Muslim Brotherhood. Unbeknownst to the Saudis and Emiratis, the Houthis would quickly defeat the Muslim Brotherhood and go on to take over the rest of the country. It was one of the most spectacular turn of events in modern Yemeni history.

You can refer to the Houthis as dogs all you want, but the fact of the matter is they still control most of Yemen's inhabited areas and are steadily gaining local support due to Saudi Arabia's misguided policies.

 

[CriticalThought]

The Iranians supported the Houthis to some extent in 2009 and 2010 because, back then, they were fighting a war against both Saudi Arabia and the Yemeni government. But after the advent of the Arab Spring, Iran's influence over the Houthis began to decrease. In 2012, the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood was on the verge of taking over the country, at which point Saudi Arabia and the UAE began to ally with the Houthis and encouraged them to fight the Muslim Brotherhood. Unbeknownst to the Saudis and Emiratis, the Houthis would quickly defeat the Muslim Brotherhood and go on to take over the rest of the country. It was one of the most spectacular turn of events in modern Yemeni history.

You can refer to the Houthis as dogs all you want, but the fact of the matter is they still control most of Yemen's inhabited areas and are steadily gaining local support due to Saudi Arabia's misguided policies.

Had they successfully quashed Muslim Brotherhood, would you then call it a well planned policy? I think the Saudis were quite bold, made the strategic error of consorting with a group who are ideologically different, but hopefully they have learnt a lesson. Meanwhile, the only support the Houthis gain is that of 'well-intentioned', 'neutral' Muslims who are willing to look away from their war crimes:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/7/possible-war-crimes-by-yemen-houthis.html

There is no doubt in my mind that the Houthis are subversive, have toppled over a legitimate government, and as such need to be checked and put back into their place.

 

[somebozo]

if Yemen is not euthanized properly it will set the whole region on fire..