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Hey! theres lot of LOVE for U......Are U blind U can't see it??? ....Turkish pplz are very loving and nice ...They love whoever loves them....Give Love and get some Love back.Plz don't spread hate out here....:smokin:
 
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Why not France get brave and face its history also..it used thousands of Muslims as "fodder" soldiers in north Africa!
 
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Words can not explain the nature of the level of hypocrisy in the west. Turkey is ready to depart ways with these hypocrits, we should start allying with China, Iran and Russia so we can win our total independency back. It is pretty clear they are becoming more and more desperate. Desperate times = desperate measures. EU is in economic crisis, hence Turkey shining like a star is blinding their eyes. Especially the short dwarf called Sarcozy with his little man complex is trying to gather Armenian votes. Such a joke...
 
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Ankara-Paris tension hits the roof on day of genocide denial bill vote


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Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan greets French President Nicolas Sarkozy in front of the Prime Ministry building in this photo from Feb. 25, 2011. (Photo: AA)​


21 December 2011 / TODAY'S ZAMAN, İSTANBUL


Tension in French-Turkish relations has reached its peak as a lack of response from the French Parliament towards Turkish attempts to persuade them to drop a genocide denial bill has cast its shadow over Ankara, which has its eye firmly on the French Parliament on the very day of the much disputed vote.


Despite the attempts of some French officials at toning down the argument between Paris and Ankara, the French Parliament has almost unilaterally dismissed Ankara's calls to reconsider a genocide denial bill that would make it punishable under French law to deny that the Ottoman era killings of Armenians in 1915 constituted genocide, a move Ankara considers not only a threat to its foreign policy around the world but also a blow to the basic human right of expression of freedom.

As visits by Turkish delegations yielded no results in preventing the French Parliament from making a move Turkey believes to be “strictly motivated by petty political calculations,” Turkish top officials attempted to make the big move and warn French President Nicolas Sarkozy personally of the possible financial and diplomatic consequences, but they were stonewalled by Sarkozy's office, which hints at the possibility that the French leader might be in a bind ahead of the approaching elections and did not actually put much thought to the whole genocide debate rather than seeing it as a viable means for his party to attract more votes.

Following the message Turkish President Abdullah Gül issued on Tuesday in which he called on France one last time to refrain from taking the “irreversible” step and sacrificing the “ancient Turkish and French friendship and alliance,” Gül's office stated that the Turkish president tried to contact his French counterpart several times on the phone, but his attempts were turned down with excuses in a way that raised the possibility in Ankara that Sarkozy is shying away from a direct challenge from Turkey on the denial bill. Turkey has been highly agitated by the discussion of a historical matter concerning Turks and Armenians in foreign parliaments in ways it considers “inconsiderate and petty,” and accuses France of straying from a path of democracy to “a mentality from the dark ages,” as Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu put it last week.

In the light of Ankara's current pessimism with regards to French-Turkish ties, news has emerged that a defense industry-related tender would be the country's first move against should the French bill be passed. A French-Italian firm, along with firms from the US, China and Russia, have been rivals at a high-altitude air defense system tender of an estimated value of $4 billion. After the latest tension, the French-Italian company may have a reduced chance at winning the project. Another tender at stake for French firms is a helicopter bid that had grabbed the attention of Eurocopter, a German-French firm, but the chances are now slim for the company at winning this tender.

Although Ankara has recalled its lobbying delegations from France, it found another unlikely ally in its bid against the denial bill, the Armenians. Alongside the Turkish reaction to a manipulated treatment of their history at the hands of a European parliament, Armenians are also increasingly voicing their protest against the denial bill, a move they consider “insincere” with no regard for their pain, but a sheer political argument to win over more votes.

The Armenian Patriarchate of Turkey on Tuesday called on France, warning that approval of the legislation will deal a severe blow to the historic ties of brotherhood between Turks and Armenians.

In a written statement on Tuesday the patriarchate said: “As we always say, this country belongs to all of us. We all breathe the same air and drink the same water here. Last week, we shared aşure [Noah's pudding] with our Muslim neighbors. Next week Armenians will cook aşure and return their neighbors' gesture of kindness and abundance in the same bowls that were given to them. These bowls are very fragile and valuable. We all need to pay attention not to break them. Unfortunately, the international community sometimes ignores such facts. Developments abroad [such as the one in France] only serve to nourish a bitter enmity. We all know that this fight cannot last forever; it should not last forever. Neighbors, not anyone else, should end this fight.”

The patriarchate's statement also told France that it cannot let a 1,600-year-long history and a bright future awaiting Turks and Armenians be overshadowed by the incidents of 1915.

“Doing so will be a great mistake and an injustice to the friendship between the Turkish and Armenian peoples. The children of this country do not deserve this,” added the statement.

Some Armenians and others say 1.5 million Anatolian Armenians were killed in a systematic campaign of genocide during World War I. Turkey says the figures are inflated and insists that the killings occurred as the Ottoman Empire was trying to quell an uprising of Armenians, who revolted against Ottoman rule for independence, in collaboration with the Russian army, which was then invading eastern Anatolia.


Headmasters and Armenians voice opposition


Meanwhile, Turkish-French schools in Turkey voiced their opposition to the bill that will be voted on in the French Parliament on Thursday in an announcement they gave to influential French newspapers such as Le Figaro and Le Monde on Wednesday.

In the announcement which addressed French parliamentarians, the headmasters of the Turkish-French schools -- including İstanbul Saint-Michel High School headmaster Jacques Augereau, İstanbul Notre Dame de Sion High School headmaster Yann de Lansalut, İstanbul Sainte-Pulchérie High School headmaster Pierre Gentric, İzmir Saint-Joseph High School headmaster Élisabeth Maire and İstanbul Saint-Joseph High School headmaster Jean-Michel Trica -- said they see the French bill as a political mistake which will lead to severe consequences.

Head of the Armenian community in Turkey Bedros Şirinoğlu is one opponent of the French “genocide bill.” Having lost his grandfather in the 1915 incidents, he said: “Tying Turks to the end of stick and beating them causes pain to both sides. I am personally very saddened by the ongoing developments. What does France want to accomplish?”

Şirinoğlu said that although his own grandfather was killed in the 1915 incidents, he does not believe that the incidents amount to genocide.

“You cannot make anyone to accept the term ‘genocide' by force, and I do not believe that those incidents were genocide,” he told Today's Zaman.

Garo Paylan, an administrator at the Armenian foundation in Turkey, also expressed his disapproval of the French “genocide bill,” saying the incidents of 1915 are a matter between Turkey and Armenia and should not interest other countries.

“I don't think Sarkozy is truly empathizing with us,” said Paylan.


Ankara-Paris tension hits the roof on day of genocide denial bill vote
 
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Turkey announces sanctions on France over genocide bill


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22 December 2011


Turkey's prime minister says his country is recalling its ambassador to France and halting official contact in retaliation for a vote in the French Parliament making it a crime to deny the WWI-era mass killings of Armenians was a genocide.


Recep Tayyip Erdoğan also said Thursday that Ankara was halting military cooperation between the two countries by suspending joint maneuvers and restricting French military flights.

Erdoğan says more retaliatory moves may follow.

The bill was passed Thursday in France's lower house. It still must be approved in the Senate.

He added that the bill was racist, discriminatory and xenophobic and said it had opened wounds with Paris that would be difficult to heal.


Turkey announces sanctions on France over genocide bill


PM Erdogan's full speech.

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Turkey withdraws envoy as denial bill passes French parliament


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Turkish Ambassador to Paris Tahsin Burcuoğlu. (Photo: AA)​


22 December 2011


Turkey has recalled its ambassador in Paris as “the initial reaction” against French Parliament approval on Thursday of a bill that penalized denial of “Armenian genocide” in France, a previously announced response to the possible approval of the bill.



Turkish Ambassador Tahsin Burcuoğlu has been recalled to Ankara “for consultations for an indefinite period of time” as Engin Solakoğlu, undersecretary of the Turkish Embassy in Paris, also said would happen last week. Despite strong protests by Turkey, French lawmakers in the National Assembly -- the lower house of Parliament -- voted overwhelmingly in favor of the bill, which will now be debated next year in the Senate. The bill makes denial of the alleged Armenian genocide a crime punishable by a one-year prison sentence and a fine of 45,000 euros.

The approval of the bill has drawn strong condemnation from both the Turkish government and the opposition. In an immediate comment on the approval of the bill, Labor Minister Faruk Çelik said he sees the measure as “pitiful.” “They assume that they can change historical facts with a law. This is a measure that is against all EU standards, norms and laws. I see this as “pitiful,” he told reporters in Parliament.

“We will be taking gradual steps on sanctions [against France]. We will have three rounds of them, the first of which I will announce tomorrow,” Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Wednesday night, but Erdoğan had not announced the sanction roadmap when Today's Zaman went to print on Thursday. Erdoğan also called on President Nicolas Sarkozy's rival, the Socialist Party, to re-evaluate the step the ruling party took and “correct the mistake” in the Senate, so that “relations can go back to their usual rhythm soon enough.”

However, Socialist Party leader Francois Hollande made it clear earlier that his party was in favor of the denial bill when it was around in 2006 and would still display the same attitude this time around.

In response to questions regarding Sarkozy’s refusal to return Turkish President Abdullah Gül’s calls, Erdoğan called the development a “diplomatic mishap” on Wednesday. “In international diplomacy, such mistakes and gaffes have no place. This is the type of act Sarkozy defines himself through,” Erdoğan said, hinting that Sarkozy was prone to “diplomatic failures.”

Prior to the French vote, thousands of Turks gathered in downtown Paris to protest the French Parliament over the denial bill, a movement organized by hundreds of Turkish-French civil society organizations. Protestors interviewed by the Reuters news agency before the voting started told the agency that they regarded the vote as an attempt at censoring their freedom of expression, as they expressed their belief that such rhetoric emerged whenever elections were held in France.

Leaders of Turkish CSOs operating in France addressed the crowd, carrying Turkish flags and banners in front of Parliament, calling them to “not only scream about it” but “return the betrayal of the lawmakers at the ballot box,” the Cihan news agency reported on Tuesday. The Turkish protestors started gathering in front of Parliament early in the morning, with thousands coming from different cities. In protest of the bill’s passage by Parliament, a large crowd also gathered in front of the French Embassy in Ankara, blocking road access to passing cars and waving placards that urged reaction against the bill. As Parliament moved to vote on the bill around lunchtime Thursday, outside Parliament were Turks and Armenians, who were under strong police surveillance to interfere in case of any disturbances.

Turkish officials earlier this week had called on all parties, the French, Turkish and Armenian communities to react to the denial bill, saying that it defied basic human rights and violated freedom of expression, a value France championed on the international stage centuries ago. Turkish Armenians reacted en masse to the bill, saying that France was abusing their pain for political reasons and expressing belief that the French Parliament was not concerned with the “genocide,” but was after the political benefits they could reap.

Turks’ reaction to the French Parliament was also in relation to the date of the voting, Dec. 22, which marks the 32nd anniversary of the death of Turkish diplomat Yılmaz Çolpan, murdered by Armenian terrorist organization Asala in Paris. Asala claimed responsibility for the diplomat’s death, saying that they would continue to kill Turkish diplomats one by one to avenge for the death of their ancestors in Turkey.

Turkish EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bağış claimed on Thursday that it was “a matter of honor” for a country to protect its foreign citizens and that France owed Turkey a historical apology for not being able to protect Çolpan, as well as many other diplomats who were killed in France by terrorism at other times. “How sad it is that we have to waste our time dealing with the effects of a bill discussed in French Parliament, right on the day we are commemorating Yılmaz Çolpan and feeling the pain of his loss,” a written statement issued by Bağış’s office said. Bağış further stressed that France never issued an apology for not being able to protect Çolpan and a number of other Turkish diplomats and was engaged in an agenda of “a different type of political abuse,” referring to the genocide denial bill Parliament forwarded to the French Senate for a final vote.

Last week, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu made a similar reference to the timing of the French vote, saying the move came at a significant time. “On the same day Çolpan was murdered, French Parliament is attempting to pass a bill, as if delivering a message to the terrorists who martyred him, almost proving them right,” Davutoğlu spoke last Sunday at a Konya meeting and raised doubts about the motives of the French move.

In response to Turkish warning that trade ties would sink with France following the denial bill vote, “Turkey is a democracy and has joined the World Trade Organization (WTO) so it can’t just discriminate for political reasons against countries,” Europe Minister Jean Leonetti was quoted by Reuters as telling France Inter radio. “I think these threats are just hot wind, and we [have] to begin a much more reasoned dialogue,” Leonetti said.

In 2001, France recognized the so-called genocide, creating a crisis between Turkey and France, as French export levels dropped by 40 percent in the aftermath, as international media speculated that it was Ankara’s unofficial messages that discouraged Turkish companies from getting involved in business deals with their French counterparts. When a similar denial bill was brought to Parliament in 2006, Turkey froze military relations with the country and suspended over flight rights, but the 2006 bill was dropped earlier this year by the French Senate.

The disputed genocide of 1915 has been a matter of a fuming discussion between Turks and Armenians, as Armenians claim that Ottoman Turks carried out a systematic and mass murder of Armenians with the aim of eradicating them in the country. Turks say the Armenians were deported when they took up arms against the state at a time of chaos as the Ottoman Empire crumbled and modern day Turkey’s founders were fighting a political and armed war against foreign forces that tried to take over the country. Most of the casualties occurred when deported Armenians were not able to survive on the road to their destinations under extreme circumstances, as Armenians raise allegations that the deaths were intentional.




Turkey withdraws envoy as denial bill passes French parliament
 
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Turkey retaliates over French 'genocide' bill


The Turkish prime minister has announced measures against France after MPs passed a bill criminalising denial of the 1915-16 Armenian "genocide".

Ankara is recalling its ambassador and freezing political visits as well as joint military projects, including exercises, Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

The bill was passed by the French National Assembly on Thursday and is due to go before the Senate next year.

French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe has publicly opposed it.

Under the bill, those publicly denying genocide would face a year in jail and a fine of 45,000 euros (£29,000; $58,000).

Armenians say up to 1.5 million people were killed by the Ottoman Turks in 1915-16.

Ankara says closer to 300,000 people died, and that Turks were also killed as Armenians rose up against the Ottoman Empire when Russian troops invaded eastern Anatolia, now eastern Turkey.

More than 20 countries have formally recognised the killings as genocide.


'Irreparable wounds'

According to French news agency AFP, angry crowds in the Turkish capital, Ankara, have been chanting: "We have not committed genocide, we defended the homeland.

"Wait for us France, we will come."

Speaking in Ankara, Mr Erdogan suggested the bill would create lasting damage to relations with France.

"This will open very grave and irreparable wounds," he said.

He said Ankara would cancel permission for French military planes to land and warships to dock in Turkey as a result of the bill, Reuters news agency reports.

Relations between the two countries are at an all-time low thanks to French President Nicholas Sarkozy's opposition to Turkey's bid for membership of the EU, the BBC's David O'Byrne reports from Istanbul.


BBC News - Turkey retaliates over French 'genocide' bill
 
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Boycot those French fries!

We are proud of our History! We don't have a past to be ashamed off.

Yasasin Vatan, Yasasin Turk milleti!
 
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have the law been passed?

the way those stupid french politicians make us look, i wish we had made that "genocide" and wiped every single Armenian of the face of earth!

tipi sikilmis herif!
 
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have the law been passed?

the way those stupid french politicians make us look, i wish we had made that "genocide" and wiped every single Armenian of the face of earth!

tipi sikilmis herif!

Don't say that brother. Remember there are children and old people as well. As Muslims we see every single persons life as sacred. Hence we must never wish death for a single innocent persons life.
 
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Holy man has spoken again, he has given his ''FATWA'' :rofl: Cares about Armenians, Palestinians. When it comes to Uygurs same Holy man prefer to ignore. Shame, shame, shame :disagree:



Bu nasil Muslumanlik, nasil bir zihniyet anlamadim ben arkadas.
 
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Don't say that brother. Remember there are children and old people as well. As Muslims we see every single persons life as sacred. Hence we must never wish death for a single innocent persons life.

i dont!

ama bu ibnelerin bizi bu hale sokmasi beni inadina su erminelri bi "soykirim" yapip ta kurtulsaydik demek geliyo aklima!
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^Better than joining this bankrupt Christian club, and getting ruled by Brussels.
 
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Turkeys chances of getting in the EU are very much dead.

That would seem the case because france will make this a primus motor for joining the EU. Trying to make Turkey accept the genocide and etc. Personally I think turkey should unleash every immigrant that tries to go through turkey to get into EU. Heck let all of them through. even those that fail first, feed them teach them through "civilian" middle man how to get through etc.

Personally I think an appropriate response for Turkey would be to ready the whole army for war, and attack full power Armenia and with Azerbaijan waiting to move, we'd get back karabakh, and then turn karabakh into a full assimilation/extermination zone, making non Turks/muslims leave the area and put it in massive repopulation administration and never let that zone have a single free thought until it's properly turkified :)
 
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