Salman Taseer's Daughter Speaks Out.

[President Camacho]

@ T-Faz & Asim Aqil,

Would you give Taliban the same right to let itself call Muslims, esp when their 'Mujahids' go out and spread terror saying that they are doing it in the name of Islam? My thinking is, when the world begins to generalize, you would end up wasting your time trying to make the world understand that no there is difference.

Ahmadis are mostly non-violent, or so have I heard, so it is not as big a problem. But then would come other people who might be really screwed up in the head, and malign the name of Islam, as it is happening many a places today. How can you give just anyone a right to call themselves Muslim when they practice something completely different?

 

[Awesome]

Prophet Mohammed PBUH said that their will be a time where Islam will be divided into many sects and Muslims will be living like the scum of the earth however as far as i know he never said anything like these sects will have no right to call themself Muslims however if anyone is to misrepresent Islam they will be punished by Allah. Pakistan today is in a very complex situation and one must understand peoples ego. Muslims dont want to practice Islam to its full potential but just want to satisfy their ego with irrelevant matters. So if all of sudden these un islamic laws are exterminated people will just create chaos so IMO its very important to educate the people first and thats where we as Pakistanis are lacking.

Nice story, but even that can't be in any part of secular laws. You make laws upon what is fair and equal to everybody not on religion.

 

[Mutee]

Voice of ppl is voice of god !

 

[T-Faz]

I pointed this out - I am not sure here or some other forum. Ahmedis are mostly from Qadian which is in Gurdaspur. I've seen many Pakistanis claim that Gurdaspur was majority Muslim but if you count Ahmedis as non-Muslim then the majority was non-Muslim. Imagine the plight of an Ahmedi - during Partition - they must have been killed by Hindus and Sikhs because they were considered Muslims and forced to migrate to Pakistan - a few years later in Pakistan, the Muslims start killing them because of their faith. Talk about bad luck.

Ahmadi's are mostly Punjabis and Pathans, but there is matchable number in Africa too, they are in other places too of course.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was from an affleunt Mughal/Persian family and so a number of people from similar background follow this branch.

The people who moved to India from central Asia or Persia.

Consult Wikipedia for more info.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Reaction? Define reaction. You want to call them liars? No problem. You want to put up a giant Posters all over Pakistan Stating Ahmedis are wrong, to satisfy everyone's insecurity. No problem either.

Insecurity? It depends. If its hatemongering maybe yes but if it is just stating FACTS like the liar Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not the the prophet then it is not insecurity. You think Islam is just some secondary matter and its just like any other religion?

 

[Mutee]

You need to study about rights. It is the right of every Pakistani to call themselves anything. It is the right of every Pakistani to not accept what each other are saying. You have complete freedom of speech, they have complete freedom of speech. Unfair?

Ver fair if you are living in a secular liberal Pakistan but that's not the Pakistan we intend to live we intend to live in ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan where Islam has authority over everything there's no choice here that's our deen

 

[Awesome]

@ T-Faz & Asim Aqil,

Would you give Taliban the same right to let itself call Muslims, esp when their 'Mujahids' go out and spread terror saying that they are doing it in the name of Islam? My thinking is, when the world begins to generalize, you would end up wasting your time trying to make the world understand that no there is difference.

And how would I take or give that right? See we can enforce our views upon Ahmedis, they are normal unarmed people. With the Taliban we cower and accept whatever they say, since they are armed people.

Again I would like to see any of these champions of Islam do a single thing about Taliban calling themselves Muslims. At max they'll shout "Takfiri, takfiri, takfiri". But till date I don't think any Taliban is serving time on charges of Takfir

Ahmadis are mostly non-violent, or so have I heard, so it is not as big a problem. But then would come other people who might be really screwed up in the head, and malign the name of Islam, as it is happening many a places today. How can you give just anyone a right to call themselves Muslim when they practice something completely different?

You make it irrelevant. I know what Islam is. If somebody tells me its the worshipping of Mickey Mouse, I would know they are lying or I would know at least that they are wrong. The question or granting or revoking rights is absurd and not applicable.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Nice story, but even that can't be in any part of secular laws. You make laws upon what is fair and equal to everybody not on religion.

Yep Islam is a story to you my friend.

 

[Awesome]

Ver fair if you are living in a secular liberal Pakistan but that's not the Pakistan we intend to live we intend to live in ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan where Islam has authority over everything there's no choice here that's our deen

So being Islamic is being unfair? So what's the worst that would happen to Islam if Ahmedis called themselves Muslim?

 

[Jackdaws]

Voice of ppl is voice of god !

LOL - no it is not. A majority is often in the wrong. If the majority always had its way - there would still be slavery in America, colonization would not have ended either. The rights of the minority can't be held hostage by the majority.

 

[Mutee]

@ myth buster look at t faz he's misguiding the poor guy into believing GA is only a subordinate and that's what ahmedis think of him a subordinate how do u plan to win the argument when they present lies as factssss

 

[T-Faz]

@ myth buster look at t faz he's misguiding the poor guy into believing GA is only a subordinate and that's what ahmedis think of him a subordinate how do u plan to win the argument when they present lies as factssss

So how do we know that what you talk about is fact and not lies, perhaps you need to read a few more neutral books rather than believing what you hear from your local cleric.

 

[Awesome]

Yep Islam is a story to you my friend.

Boohoo cry me a river...

Anyway, your words not mine.

 

[Mutee]

So being Islamic is being unfair? So what's the worst that would happen to Islam if Ahmedis called themselves Muslim?

Yes yes not being unfair but being righteous by calling liars a liar Islam is not a fairy tale if u want to follow it u follow it completely you can't pick thing u like and leave thing u dislike

 

[Myth_buster_1]

M_B - You always respond to others with religious lines. Allah also reccomended Muslims to spread teachings of Islam with peace. How will you fulfill your duty if you alienate your country from other faiths? Pakistan's creation was according to Secular Muslim's (Jinnah) ideology or Principles of Islam?

Religious lines? hahaha I myself not that much of a practicing Muslim but lately I have found interest in using reference from Islam in my arguments.
The thing is Pakistan would have never come into being if the Secular line was used. Muslims were quite illiterate they had no knowledge of world politics so they were made to believe that they will be getting a land of their own where they would live and run the land according to the principle of Islam.