Saffron terror: Why then has Shinde not banned the BJP?

[dronedevta]

neither i

 

[KS]

1. 'Islamic terrorism' and right wing terrorism. When Shinde said Hindu terrorism you got hurt. Don't associate religion with terrorism.

I explained that in the seccond point. Looks like you did not read it. So let me repeat - I got offended because no Hindu scripture or God was invoked to justify the acts. No one shouted Har Har Mahadev while blasting the bombs. So no Hindu terror. But Islam and Quran and Allah have been invoked 'n' number of time by various outfits to justify killing thousands of Indian citizens and lakhs outside. So yes, there is an Islamic terrorism.

2. Whatever the reason, you said it right terrorists are terrorists. No reason can justify terrorism.

True. I never justified it. That is why I called right wing terrorism (even that is alleged as not one single case has been proved till now) and not Hindu terrorism. Because it was allegedly done by few frustrated ultra-nationalistic individuals who wanted to defend the nation (in a twisted way) and not did not do for a religious cause so that they get mokhsha or 72 apsaras.

 

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I explained that in the seccond point. Looks like you did not read it. So let me repeat - I got offended because no Hindu scripture or God was invoked to justify the acts. No one shouted Har Har Mahadev while blasting the bombs. So no Hindu terror. But Islam and Quran and Allah have been invoked 'n' number of time by various outfits to justify killing thousands of Indian citizens and lakhs outside. So yes, there is an Islamic terrorism.

Did you hear what they were shouting while planting the bomb? lol
Innocents were killed on the basis of their religion by assholes. They have not yet released their video invoking religious scripture or God. Instead the cowards did everything to frame innocent muslims.

True. I never justified it. That is why I called right wing terrorism (even that is alleged as not one single case has been proved till now) and not Hindu terrorism. Because it was allegedly done by few frustrated ultra-nationalistic individuals who wanted to defend the nation (in a twisted way) and not did not do for a religious cause so that they get mokhsha or 72 apsaras.

Ultra-nationalist? killing fellow innocent citizens is just terrorism. Don't relate it with any sort of nationalism.
Still we don't know about Moksha or Apsara promise. More will be revealed at the end of investigation.
Frustrated? If they are really frustrated someone tell them to take their frustration out in the bathroom . If they try to show their frustration at innocents, there is big big law bamboo to screw them.

The logic you provided is the same what Hafiz Saed gives but he doesn't kill his own nation citizens.

 

[KS]

Did you hear what they were shouting while planting the bomb? lol
Innocents were killed on the basis of their religion by assholes. They have not yet released their video invoking religious scripture or God. Instead the cowards did everything to frame innocent muslims.

Plenty of videos are available online. Dont pick on strawmans.

Ultra-nationalist? killing fellow innocent citizens is just terrorism. Don't relate it with any sort of nationalism.
Still we don't know about Moksha or Apsara promise. More will be revealed at the end of investigation.
Frustrated? If they are really frustrated someone tell them to take their frustration out in the bathroom . If they try to show their frustration at innocents, there is big big law bamboo to screw them.

The logic you provided is the same what Hafiz Saed gives but he doesn't kill his own nation citizens.

Save me the emotional rhetoric. They dont add anything to the point you are trying to make. The fact is while the alleged right wing terror has its roots in ultranationalist ideas, the ****** terror is rooted in Caliphate/Ummah and that sort of logic.

Also as you said, we still dont know about what caused the alleged right wing terror as till now not one case has been finished. But we know plenty of ****** terror and its motives as there have been many convictions till now. So wait till the process is over and then we can debate that.

 

[dronedevta]

I remember the days from statements of @()() when LTTE was called a hindu terrorist by "peaceloving" people to justify there holy work .


A Terrorist is associated with a particular terminology because of his ideology not because of his backgrounds .



do @()() you accept that the muslim kid who killed his hindu teacher in kerala after watching a movie was a islamic terrorist ?

 

[dronedevta]

@()()
Until the courts don't prove anyone guilty one should not interfere in that but as media reports go I'am pointing out the REASONS(as per MR) of the terrorist attack

“The Muslim terrorists started attacking Hindu temples in 2002,” Aseemanand said. “This caused great concern and anger in me. I used to share my concerns about the growing menace of Islamic terrorism with Bharat Riteshwar of Valsad.”

“I told everybody that bomb ka jawab bomb se dena chahiye, (I told everyone we should answer bombs with bombs),” says Aseemanand. “At that meeting I realised Joshi and his group were already doing something on the subject,” he adds.

“In the meeting,” Aseemanand continues, “Joshi suggested that it was basically Pakistanis who travel on the Samjhauta Express train that runs between India and Pakistan and therefore we should attack the train as well. Joshi took the responsibility of targeting Samjhauta himself and said that the chemicals required for the blasts would be arranged by Dange.”
Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

This is what MOST SEKULAR PAPER TELLS

I hope you know hindi

Now tell me are they fighting for virgins/sharia ? OFF course not !

This is called Reactionary ultra nationalist / Far right Terrorism .(I hope you know what terms right, left ,center, ultra etc mean )

 

[Marxist]

True lies of Sushil Kumar Shinde

“The RSS and the BJP were behind the Samjhauta Express, Mecca Masjid and Malegaon blasts,” declared Union Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde on January 20, 2013, adding that the training camps run by the RSS and BJP were promoting ‘Hindu terrorism’. A day after Shinde’s declaration, Hafiz Saeed, leader of the LeT, the Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist outfit, called for a ban on the RSS. So Shinde is the witness for the LeT to accuse the RSS of terror. Now look at the evidence, first the blast onboard the Samjhauta Express from Pakistan in which 68 persons were killed.

LeT Culprit, say UN, US

“Qasmani Arif...chief coordinator of the relations of the [LeT] with other organisations...has worked with Lashkar-e-Tayyiba to facilitate terrorist attacks including...the bombing of February 2007 in the Samjhauta Express in Panipat (India).” This is what resolution [No 1267] of the Committee on Sanctions of the United Nations Security Council [UNSC] dated 29.6.2009 declares. Adding that Qasmani was funded by Dawood Ibrahim and he did the fundraising for the LeT and the al-Qaida, the UNSC said, “In exchange for their support, al-Qaida provided support staff for the February 2007 bombing of the Samjhauta Express in Panipat.” This resolution is available on the UN site. Two days later, on July 1, 2009, the United States Treasury Department said in its press release: “Arif Qasmani has worked with the LeT to facilitate terrorist attacks, including...Samjota Express bombing.” The US named four Pakistanis, including Arif Qasmani as terrorists, under Executive Order No 13224. This press release is still on the US Treasury site. The United Nations Security Council and the US Treasury Department thus named the LeT, Qasmani and Dawood Ibrahim as accused in Samjhauta terror. This is just the beginning of the torrent of evidence pointing to the LeT and Pakistan.

Pakistan Minister’s Confession

Six months after the UN and US announced sanctions against the LeT and Qasmani, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Mallik himself admitted that Pakistani terrorists were involved in the Samjhauta blast, but with a rider that “some Pakistan-based Islamists had been hired by Lt Col Purohit to carry out the Samjhauta Express attack.” [India Today Online 24.1.2010]

Headley Involved in Samjhauta -- US Probe

Not just the UN. Or the US Treasury. Or just the admission of Pakistan’s Interior Minister. Independent investigation in the US revealed more. Some 10 months later, Sebastian Rotella, a US journalist, wrote in his investigative report titled ‘U.S. agencies were forewarned about suspect in 2008 Mumbai bombings’, that Faiza Outalha, the third wife of David Coleman Headley had confessed [in 2008, which was made public in 2010] that Headley was involved in the Samjhauta blast. Rotella added that Faiza felt that “she had been innocently used” in the Samjhauta terror. [The Washington Post 5.11.2010] A while later, in a follow up investigation, Sebastian Rotella disclosed in April 2008 that Faiza returned to the embassy in Islamabad with the tip about the 2008 Mumbai blast when she again linked him to the Samjhauta blast.

Rotella commented that though India and the US blamed the attack on Lashkar, the US authorities had not implicated Headley in that still-unsolved attack, however.[The Washington Post 14.11.2010] So, independent, neutral probe in the US also pointed to Pakistan and the LeT in Samjhauta blast.

Narco Test Pointed to SIMI Role

Even at the start of the Samjhauta investigation in 2007, the evidence clearly pointed to the role of the Students Islamic Movement of India [SIMI] and the LeT. India Today [19.9.2008] in its report titled ‘Pak hand in Mumbai train blasts, Samjhauta Express blasts, says Nagori’ gave meticulous account of the involvement of the LeT and Pakistan in the Samjhauta terror. The report was based on narco test testimonies of SIMI leaders. India Today said that the narcotic tests were carried out on general secretary of SIMI, Safdar Nagori; his brother Kamruddin Nagori and Amil Parvez in Bangalore in April 2007, three months after the Samjhauta blast; the results of the narco test of the SIMI leaders were available with the magazine; it revealed that SIMI activists had executed the Samjhauta blast, with the help of the Pakistani nationals from across the border; while Nagori was not directly involved, two members of SIMI, Ehtesham Siddiqui and Nasir, were directly involved; SIMI members, including Nagori’s brother Kamaruddin, were involved in the Samjhatua blast; for executing the Samjhauta blast, the Pakistanis had purchased the suitcase cover from Kataria Market in Indore and one of the members from SIMI had helped the Pakistanis to get the suitcase cover stitched. Investigation had established that in the Samjhauta blast, five bombs packed in suitcases and activated by timer switches were used.

Conspiracy by Maharashtra Police?

Why were these clinching pieces of evidence not pursued? How the blame shifted from the Islamists to the Hindus? Some elements in the Maharashtra Police appears to have colluded in linking the 2008 Malegaon blast to the Samjhauta blast. When leads were thus pointing to Pakistan and SIMI as partners in the Samjhauta blast, in November 2008, as an anti-climax, the Maharashtra Anti-Terror Squad [ATS] shockingly told the Special Court through the public prosecutor that Col Purohit allegedly involved in the Malegaon blast in which RDX was used, had supplied RDX for the Samjhauta blast though one ‘Bhagwan’. [The Indian Express 15.11.2008] Within the next 48 hours, [17.11.2008] India Today online refuted the ATS claim saying that Samjhauta investigators had told India Today that a study of the blast by the National Security Guard(NSG) said that no RDX, but Potassium Chlorate and Sulphur, had been used as explosives. The magazine also recalled that immediately after the blasts, then Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil told the media that not RDX, but, a ‘new type of explosive’ had been used to bomb the Samjhauta Express. On that very day [17.11.2008] the ATS counsel retracted the statement he had made earlier involving Col Purohit in the Samjhauta blast. [The Hindu dt19.11.2008]. But the damage was done in the 48 hours. Immediately, Pakistan said that it would raise the issue of Purohit’s involvement in Samjhauta at the Secretary-level meeting on November 25, 2008. Finally on January 20, 2009, the Maharashtra ATS officially denied that Col Purohit had supplied RDX for Samjhauta. This was how the Samjhauta focus -- later the blame -- shifted from the LeT and the SIMI to Purohit and via Purohit on to Saffron. The Maharashtra ATS’ attempt to link Malegaon 2008 to Samjhauta, which shifted the focus away from the LeT on to Purohit, needs to be probed particularly given Dawood Ibrahim’s deep influence on Maharashtra Police.

If Shinde is telling the truth, then the United Nations Security Council and the US Treasury Department are fabricating charges against Qasmani, Dawood and the LeT; Faiza Outallah and The Washington Post are telling lies to fix the LeT and Pakistan; the SIMI officials’ narco evidence is fabricated; and Rehman Mallik’s confession about Pakistani involvement is false. Can it be more ridiculous? It is clearly the lies of Shinde, the vote bank politician versus all neutral evidence. If this was how the Samjhauta probe was perverted, in the Malegaon 2006 blast the Maharashtra ATS has filed a chargesheet where the SIMI cadre had confessed to their role in the blast. But the CBI is procuring confessions to exonerate them and implicate others, Hindus in the case. So Malegaon 2006, is becoming a case of confession vs confession! In Malegaon 2008 blasts, Col Purohit and his associates have been charged and the evidence submitted in the Court shows that the accused in the Malegaon 2008 case were planning to assassinate RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat and Indresh Kumar for taking money from the ISI! [Outlook 19.7.2010] How could the RSS which is the target of the conspiracy itself be the conspirator? Does Shinde know what he is talking?

QED: Shinde now has a good companion in his mission against the RSS in Hafeez Saeed, boss of the global terror outfit LeT. Can a Home Minister tell more deadly lies against his own country’s interests, all for just a few million votes?

True lies of Sushil Kumar Shinde - The New Indian Express

 

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Plenty of videos are available online. Dont pick on strawmans.



Save me the emotional rhetoric. They dont add anything to the point you are trying to make. The fact is while the alleged right wing terror has its roots in ultranationalist ideas, the ****** terror is rooted in Caliphate/Ummah and that sort of logic.

Also as you said, we still dont know about what caused the alleged right wing terror as till now not one case has been finished. But we know plenty of ****** terror and its motives as there have been many convictions till now. So wait till the process is over and then we can debate that.

Oh where did you see the emotions? 'Process is over'? Now you are acting childish. Do you always wait for the process to over?
double standards..I understand why..

@()()
Until the courts don't prove anyone guilty one should not interfere in that but as media reports go I'am pointing out the REASONS(as per MR) of the terrorist attack

“The Muslim terrorists started attacking Hindu temples in 2002,” Aseemanand said. “This caused great concern and anger in me. I used to share my concerns about the growing menace of Islamic terrorism with Bharat Riteshwar of Valsad.”

“I told everybody that bomb ka jawab bomb se dena chahiye, (I told everyone we should answer bombs with bombs),” says Aseemanand. “At that meeting I realised Joshi and his group were already doing something on the subject,” he adds.

“In the meeting,” Aseemanand continues, “Joshi suggested that it was basically Pakistanis who travel on the Samjhauta Express train that runs between India and Pakistan and therefore we should attack the train as well. Joshi took the responsibility of targeting Samjhauta himself and said that the chemicals required for the blasts would be arranged by Dange.”
Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

This is what MOST SEKULAR PAPER TELLS

I hope you know hindi

Now tell me are they fighting for virgins/sharia ? OFF course not !

This is called Reactionary ultra nationalist / Far right Terrorism .(I hope you know what terms right, left ,center, ultra etc mean )

read again previous posts.. i don't have time to reply your BS

 

[KS]

Oh where did you see the emotions? 'Process is over'? Now you are acting childish. Do you always wait for the process to over?
double standards..I understand why..

Emotional rhetoric means pandering to other's emotions without replying with facts

That you chose strawmen arguments and emo rhetoric without actually countering my points tells that deep down you know what I say is true. Enough said

 

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Emotional rhetoric means pandering to other's emotions without replying with facts

That you chose strawmen arguments and emo rhetoric without actually countering my points tells that deep down you know what I say is true. Enough said

Facts? Fact is you are defending and advocating terrorists. what points? you have made no points..you've only repeated that these terrorists are not as bad as other terrorists. You double standards are evident. And I am really sorry You have all the time to repeat everything again and again but I don't have. I made my point but how do you expect me remove the hatred inside you?

 

[dronedevta]

Oh where did you see the emotions? 'Process is over'? Now you are acting childish. Do you always wait for the process to over?
double standards..I understand why..


read again previous posts.. i don't have time to reply your BS

I've read almost all of your posts but i don't find any serious or any logic in your replies . I'am not the one who believe in 'selective' green logics .

 

[KS]

Facts? Fact is you are defending and advocating terrorists. what points? you have made no points..you've only repeated that these terrorists are not as bad as other terrorists.

Any convictions against them so far that you are confidently calling them terrorists ?

Innocent until proven guilty my dear. We follow IPC in India not Sharia penal code.

I made my point but how do you expect me remove the hatred inside you?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...as-shinde-not-banned-bjp-6.html#ixzz2KFXfA4DT

There is no hatred inside me. Your victim hood complex needs to assume someone hates you. So please get the chip off your shoulders and try to come out of the victim hood complex.

 

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Any convictions against them so far that you are confidently calling them terrorists ?

Innocent until proven guilty my dear. We follow IPC in India not Sharia penal code.




There is no hatred inside me. Your victim hood complex needs to assume someone hates you. So please get the chip off your shoulders and try to come out of the victim hood complex.

Ok here again double standards. Innocent until proven guilty. Then please go through all your posts where you have declared/assumed people as convict and wait for them to be convicted in court. You are funny.

'victim hood' stop using these RSS terms. These are outdated.
Your hatred is evident when you defend terrorists

 

[ashok321]

Guys here is a shocking news for you:

Justice JC Varma who was put into action by PC Chidambaram to recommend the change of present IPC laws vis a vis Rape of women. Guys PC is a Finance Minister, and Shinde is a Home Minister, one who would have contacted this Varma!!!

And, till now, the commitee of Mr varma is over, and he (JSV) never ever met or spoke to Shinde.

Delhi gangrape: Shinde never interacted with us, says Justice Verma - India - IBNLive

Just see the face of Karan Thapar in disbelief for yrself....

My Gally these CONgressis.....out to ruin the country.

 

[KS]

Ok here again double standards. Innocent until proven guilty. Then please go through all your posts where you have declared/assumed people as convict and wait for them to be convicted in court. You are funny.

'victim hood' stop using these RSS terms. These are outdated.
Your hatred is evident when you defend terrorists

No..you need to read what people write before jumping the gun.

There have been plenty cases of islamic terrorism where in the muslims have been convicted in a court of law. That means there is a problem with islamic terror proved and charged. But till now there has not been a single case that has been convicted w.r.t hindu terror. So unless a single case is atleast convicted there is no such thing. Geddit ?


btw read this -http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/233898-silent-admission-no-direct-evidence-linking-rss-terror-say-sources.html

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-shindes-rss-terror-camp-statement-has-no-basis-618197.html

dude, let me be honest, congress is shitting with you people ever since independence and have sucessfully implanted a siege mentality within your people's minds as somehow your survival is at stake and only they can save you.

This is how they function - shinde makes a loud comment about hindu terror in the congress political meeting and weeks later they leak sources to channels about how there is no evidence of that. But by that time the damage is done. example is you. when you started believing the home minister's political statement and started questioning why RSS is not banned and call them terrorists ? Because there is no evidence.

No matter how much you people shout after believing the imaginary vote-catching stories of congi politicians, the law of the land does not function according to it. So save your energy and let law take its course.