SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions

[MystryMan]

Main mission for PAF will be air superiority, just like F-16 for PAF which multirole jet

I'm happy that I didn't cause you to .

 

[mdmm]

I am not really sure what you are trying to say.
5th Gen fighter is our future need

Present Pakistani Nawaz League government is not interested to spend a single penny on Pakistani defence, like jet stealth fighters,radars,missiles etc.
Government ministers are just building their pockets.

 

[帅的一匹]

Said SAC gonna enlarge FC31's fuselage , make it bigger. More range and payload. Might be they will shift the engine to WS10G.

I strongly believe FC31 will embark on our new EMALS carrier

FC31 will be a medium to heavy platform in the future. A god news for Pakistan!

 

[Akasa]

Said SAC gonna enlarge FC31's fuselage , make it bigger. More range and payload. Might be they will shift the engine to WS10G.

I strongly believe FC31 will embark on our new EMALS carrier

FC31 will be a medium to heavy platform in the future. A god news for Pakistan!

Can you post a direct link to the original rumor (not the other PDF member's words), if possible?

 

[帅的一匹]

Can you post a direct link to the original rumor (not the other PDF member's words), if possible?

Most rumor seems to be true in the end. That's how we doing things in China.

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2268841-1-1.html

SAC will expand the fuselage by 15%, which means the WS13E won't be suitable for FC31 anymore. SAC will have to replace it with WS10G. SAC finally compromise and live up to PLA navy's requirement.

http://m.tiexue.net/touch/thread_7931259_1.html

The combat radius of enlarged FC31 will reach 1800 KM.

 

[monitor]

Said SAC gonna enlarge FC31's fuselage , make it bigger. More range and payload. Might be they will shift the engine to WS10G.

I strongly believe FC31 will embark on our new EMALS carrier

FC31 will be a medium to heavy platform in the future. A god news for Pakistan!

Very good news but aren't they going to make project delayed. When do you think we are going to see the new version with enlarged fuselage?

 

[Beast]

Said SAC gonna enlarge FC31's fuselage , make it bigger. More range and payload. Might be they will shift the engine to WS10G.

I strongly believe FC31 will embark on our new EMALS carrier

FC31 will be a medium to heavy platform in the future. A god news for Pakistan!

If so, FC31 really needs a foreign backer to stay alive.

 

[帅的一匹]

If so, FC31 really needs a foreign to stay alive.

Might not be. But I've got to admit that SAC is insensible. I will call it learning after doing. But SAC still has a chance to make a comeback as they has abundant experience in developing Carrier borne fighter, such as J15 flying shark.

Very good news but aren't they going to make project delayed. When do you think we are going to see the new version with enlarged fuselage?

in the near future

 

[Deino]

Most rumor seems to be true in the end. That's how we doing things in China.

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2268841-1-1.html

SAC will expand the fuselage by 15%, which means the WS13E won't be suitable for FC31 anymore. SAC will have to replace it with WS10G. SAC finally compromise and live up to PLA navy's requirement.

http://m.tiexue.net/touch/thread_7931259_1.html

The combat radius of enlarged FC31 will reach 1800 KM.

To admit I'm a bit sceptical on this rumour: First of all WEN98 is only a CG-artist, a brilliant one, but I don't think he has insider information on this.
Even more however this "enlargement", which would be de facto a new aircraft negates all previous modifications of the FC-31 to V2: It would expand the development time only to bring that type to a level still below the J-20 and I cannot think that the PLA will develop two heavy types in parallel with this one offering inferior performances, since it would use the WS-10G and not the WS-15.

Another point of concern: this will raise the price and as such it would kill the export-chances in several potential countries, which maybe could afford a medium-weight stealth fighter but not a heavy one. And I cannot think that SAC can develop both, the FC-31V2 for export and this FC-31XXL for the PLA.

In consequence I'm indeed more than sceptical ...

Deino

 

[Nefarious]

Most rumor seems to be true in the end. That's how we doing things in China.

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2268841-1-1.html

SAC will expand the fuselage by 15%, which means the WS13E won't be suitable for FC31 anymore. SAC will have to replace it with WS10G. SAC finally compromise and live up to PLA navy's requirement.

http://m.tiexue.net/touch/thread_7931259_1.html

The combat radius of enlarged FC31 will reach 1800 KM.

Bro, Do you know what those triangular flaps are at the top of the engine exhaust side, the F22 has them...Are they for stealth?

The J20 doesn't have them?

 

[帅的一匹]

To admit I'm a bit sceptical on this rumour: First of all WEN98 is only a CG-artist, a brilliant one, but I don't think he has insider information on this.
Even more however this "enlargement", which would be de facto a new aircraft negates all previous modifications of the FC-31 to V2: It would expand the development time only to bring that type to a level still below the J-20 and I cannot think that the PLA will develop two heavy types in parallel with this one offering inferior performances, since it would use the WS-10G and not the WS-15.

Another point of concern: this will raise the price and as such it would kill the export-chances in several potential countries, which maybe could afford a medium-weight stealth fighter but not a heavy one. And I cannot think that SAC can develop both, the FC-31V2 for export and this FC-31XXL for the PLA.

In consequence I'm indeed more than sceptical ...

Deino

No one want a short-leg fighter jet. Even PAF would like to buy J20, money is not a dtermined factor. WS10G will be a perfect fit for FC31, as the carrier borne fighter emphasize on sub-sonic performance more. FC31 only stand a chance at navy, not airforce(because J20 with WS15 is way too robust).

All we need is that FC31 can deal with F35 and F18, F22 will be left to J20.

 

[Deino]

No one want a short-leg fighter jet. Even PAF would like to buy J20, money is not a dtermined factor. WS10G will be a perfect fit for FC31, as the carrier borne fighter emphasize on sub-sonic performance more. FC31 only stand a chance at navy, not airforce(because J20 with WS15 is way too robust).

All we need is that FC31 can deal with F35 and F18, F22 will be left to J20.

I perfectly understand the considerations, esp. since IMO the J-20 with its delta-canard layout is not the best-suited for carrier-ops (maybe only by feeling), but what's with my concerns which are equally legit?
Anyway this decision would result in a prototype of the FC-31XXXL only when ?? in at best 5 years ? ... and what's with all the export-prospects of V2 ??

I hope You forgive this note, but this would not be the "Chinese way" to makes things happen as You noted above, but the "Indian way" broadly comparable to the Tejas: You build a demonstrator (aka V1), the revise it (aka V2) and when everything's done You notice that You in fact need a bigger plane for better performance and redesign it again !?

Again, as long as this is only a rumour I take it with a rock of salt.

Deino

 

[帅的一匹]

I perfectly understand the considerations, esp. since IMO the J-20 with its delta-canard layout is not the best-suited for carrier-ops (maybe only by feeling), but what's with my concerns which are equally legit?
Anyway this decision would result in a prototype of the FC-31XXXL only when ?? in at best 5 years ? ... and what's with all the export-prospects of V2 ??

I hope You forgive this note, but this would not be the "Chinese way" to makes things happen as You noted above, but the "Indian way" broadly comparable to the Tejas: You build a demonstrator (aka V1), the revise it (aka V2) and when everything's done You notice that You in fact need a bigger plane for better performance and redesign it again !?

Again, as long as this is only a rumour I take it with a rock of salt.

Deino

That's why I said SAC is not smart enough in the first beginning due to unclear position(don't know what its potential customer need).Now they start to know.....

Learning after doing.

They had get their hands on enlargement and modification, we won't wait too long.

 

[Deino]

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They had get their hands on enlargement and modification, we won't wait too long.

But is "soon" (aka waiting for a maiden flight of V2) means sometimes 8 and more months ... so what then will it mean to wait "not long" ?? Seems as if SAC has a different perception of time ... and I'm not sure if the PLANAF would have the same.

 

[帅的一匹]

The first time I saw FC31 I say it's too small.

But is "soon" (aka waiting for a maiden flight of V2) means sometimes 8 and more months ... so what then will it mean to wait "not long" ?? Seems as if SAC has a different perception of time ... and I'm not sure if the PLANAF would have the same.

Unless CAC can come up with a potent solution for Navy, I think finally FC31 After enlargement will be the advisable choice for our carrier.

Why I said enlarged FC31 is a good news for Pakistan? Cause a fighter jet with 1800KM combat radius compared with 1200KM is totally different. USA new VLRASM has 1000KM range, you will be more comfortable to deal with it before it launch if you have 1800KM radius.