SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[GriffinsRule]

Agreed bro. Longer range shots with much more accurate missiles. I along with many think there is still a place for a cannon

With all jets being multirole, canons will remain a weapon, only it's purpose will change from being used in dogfights to attacking ground targets. A strafing run on a convoy is just as effective and a whole lot cheaper than using bombs or missiles. High cost of war makes the low cost cannon indispensable.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well when was the wheel invented? Why use it.

Some things work so why change them

A wisdom tooth is functional and can come in handy if you lose several molars. But how often does that happen?

 

[Trango Towers]

A wisdom tooth is functional and can come in handy if you lose several molars. But how often does that happen?

Wisdom tooth is used all the time. Just because someone named it wisdom tooth doesn't mean you become wise. Lots of dumb people have it as well loooool

 

[MastanKhan]

And how long has Vietnam war ended...Almost 50 years ago. Technology has improved dramatically. Install gun is just a waste of precious space in modern age stealth and increase the RCS.

Hi,

The Phantom never scored a hit with that machine gun---. It was a waste of resources---.

You can't even shoot a slow moving drone from a fighter aircraft with a machine gun / canon---. You have to use a missile---.

People talk about machine guns / canons on fighter aircraft and no proof to substantiate the need for it---.

With all jets being multirole, canons will remain a weapon, only it's purpose will change from being used in dogfights to attacking ground targets. A strafing run on a convoy is just as effective and a whole lot cheaper than using bombs or missiles. High cost of war makes the low cost cannon indispensable.

Hi,

Then it has a 70% +++ chance of being hit with an shoulder launch SA missile---.

Now if you have a modular canon or machine gun---that you can mount it per use---.

No one says how many vietnamese aircraft were hit by machine gun fire.

 

[Beast]

Well when was the wheel invented? Why use it.

Some things work so why change them

Lol..according to you, why need 5th gen stealth fighter, why not just still with Mig-15?

Let me ask u, how many aerial warfare between major countries in past 20 years involved using guns?

 

[MastanKhan]

Lol..according to you, why need 5th gen stealth fighter, why not just still with Mig-15?

Let me ask u, how many aerial warfare between major countries in past 20 years involved using guns?

Hi,

Not a single one.

I am not sure but someone can answer---did Paf score any gun kills against the russians in afg during the 80's?

 

[Horse_Rider]

J31 remains a dark horse. The Chinese have been looking for someone who can finance the programme. They have been touting it to the Middle East, PAF amongst others.

They may be in luck. KSA is considering local assembly of some Chinese advance weapons, J-31 is one of them! If that happens I guess Pakistan will by default get some on some payment terms. Let's see how the round two of Sino-Saudi defense agreements go in the near future.

 

[Beidou2020]

Are Saudis buying F-35 or FC-31 as their stealth fighter?

 

[Luosifen]

Are Saudis buying F-35 or FC-31 as their stealth fighter?

I don't see how the USA will offer F-35s when KSA signed deals with Huawei, after the UAE chose Huawei over getting F-35s earlier.

 

[Beidou2020]

I don't see how the USA will offer F-35s when KSA signed deals with Huawei, after the UAE chose Huawei over getting F-35s earlier.

F-35 have too many political strings attached. Israel will lobby the US not to sell the F-35 to Saudis.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Hi,

The Phantom never scored a hit with that machine gun---. It was a waste of resources---.

You can't even shoot a slow moving drone from a fighter aircraft with a machine gun / canon---. You have to use a missile---.

People talk about machine guns / canons on fighter aircraft and no proof to substantiate the need for it---.


Hi,

Then it has a 70% +++ chance of being hit with an shoulder launch SA missile---.

Now if you have a modular canon or machine gun---that you can mount it per use---.

No one says how many vietnamese aircraft were hit by machine gun fire.

So are you in favor of getting rid of the cannon on attack helicopters as well? Since the chance of them getting hit my a manpad must even be higher

 

[GiantPanda]

Using a stealth jet to strafe is nuts. The idea of stealth is to remain hidden. When you use a gun you need to put yourself within someone's feel of vision. There are a lot of other platform you can do gunplay with.

 

[Trango Towers]

Lol..according to you, why need 5th gen stealth fighter, why not just still with Mig-15?

Let me ask u, how many aerial warfare between major countries in past 20 years involved using guns?

That why countries are developing small highly agile subsonic aircraft for ground attack purposes.
When u have a brain stuck on stealth you cannot think laterally.
Regardless of past encounters. Is there a zero possibility of a close quarter aerial dogfight? Why do PAF and other major airforce still train for WVR air combat?
I guess you are the only genius who knows better than the guys who fight in the air yet are still at home using mommy's smart phone.

 

[GriffinsRule]

That why countries are developing small highly agile subsonic aircraft for ground attack purposes.
When u have a brain stuck on stealth you cannot think laterally.
Regardless of past encounters. Is there a zero possibility of a close quarter aerial dogfight? Why do PAF and other major airforce still train for WVR air combat?
I guess you are the only genius who knows better than the guys who fight in the air yet are still at home using mommy's smart phone.

Not just sub sonic. I mean the Korean and Indonesians have included the GAU-22 on their latest under-development LO fighter, KAI KF-21 for a reason too.
And per GD, "The gun is easily configured to mount in either the F-35A internal gun system installation or the F-35B/C missionized gun pods." Maybe they didnt get the no-cannon memo either.

GAU-22/A 25mm Gatling Gun

The 25mm GAU-22/A is an externally powered Gatling Gun selected for installation in the F-35 Lightning II fighter.

www.gd-ots.com

You can bet so will the Turks.

 

[MastanKhan]

So are you in favor of getting rid of the cannon on attack helicopters as well? Since the chance of them getting hit my a manpad must even be higher

Hi,

I do not think that you have any concept of usage of a machine gun / cannon against slow moving flying targets by a fast flying jet---.

Onceyou learn and understand that concept---it will make things easy to understand---.

A helicopter is a slow moving machine designed to target slow moving targets or static targets with a cannon / machine gun---.

For a particular reason---I requested for someone to give 1 example where a modern fighter aircraft has gone guns on guns with another fighter aircraft for the last 30-40 years---.

As for helicopter---rarely you will see one with air to air missiles---. They all have their guns as their primary fighting weapon---so to ask to remove that primary weapon sound more silly than serious---.