SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[DANGER-ZONE]

I think Pakistan Air Force & Navy need to forget about project AZM & go for J-31 at immediate basses because it will

Relax, in the end it will surely be either Chinese or Turkish aircraft.
If you turn the clock back 10 years, there was a top secret drone project by PAF called BURRAQ and all the reports suggested that it would be a home grown predator type aircraft and what we got in the end, a Chinese CH-3.

 

[Code_Geass]

You may continue to believe your literature. I’ll stick to mine. Thanks.

Shahid Latif project director JF-17 has said that PLAAF did not participate in JF-17 from the start so why'd they commit numbers?

 

[ARMalik]

We are talking about Designation of the Project. JF-17 project designation was altered in 01. Previously it was known as Super-7 in the AF. Period.

Saying "Period" doesn't mean anything dude. What you are posting has been discussed to death on this Forum, and here you are with you 36th post, and pretending as you have conquered the World and sip tea with ACM and some other shi.t. And for F* sake stop using the word "Super-7" and listen to what the Project Director of JF-17 who happens to be an Air Chief said about this very topic.

 

[Deino]

You may continue to believe your literature. I’ll stick to mine. Thanks.

To admit, then it's the wrong literature.

As mentioned by others, if you look at this program's history, I'm not surprised that some are still confused or even fooled, but what you are claiming - as long as you do not provide fats in the case of reliable sources or books - contradicts everything that is known since years end even discussed to death here.

So please relax, calm down and especially temper your tone.

 

[Ark_Angel]

Saying "Period" doesn't mean anything dude. What you are posting has been discussed to death on this Forum, and here you are with you 36th post, and pretending as you have conquered the World and sip tea with ACM and some other shi.t. And for F* sake stop using the word "Super-7" and listen to what the Project Director of JF-17 who happens to be an Air Chief said about this very topic.

Mr Malik what’s up with swearing? You better do some research on the project and probably you need some classes on manners as well. *whats up with the upbringing of kids these days!*
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...cles/marconi-abandons-fc-1-fighter-bid-53136/
I hope when you were playing with kids in kindergarten there were people like me working on projects like these. Just because I don’t post here doesn’t mean I dont follow this forum. Due to contractual compulsions I couldn’t otherwise I have been following/posting on Pakistani Defence(before it lost its domain) /F-16.net when you were probably in Junior school!
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...n-agree-on-super-7-fighter-development-53912/
Now go and read the dates and increase your knowledge base! It’s from 1999.

Consequently in 2003 the designation changed to JF-17 Thunder!
https://web.archive.org/web/2014071...articles/sino-pakistani-fighter-flies-170984/

I’ll say this on record again! PAF personnel being deputed to Chengdu China were sent for Project Super 7! The designation of the Project changed in 2003!

@Deino Massive respect for you. I believe your one of the few Credible people left here on Defence.Pk. The designation of the project that I seem to have steered quite a bit of a controversy here was only Regarding how the PAF designated it in their own paper work. International defence Giants( Read Italian FIAR, Marconi,Thomson CSF etc) would respond to tender of FC-1/Super 7 back in the days. Heck even Denel once offered us their AAM in 1999-2000.

Mr Malik what’s up with swearing? You better do some research on the project and probably you need some classes on manners as well. *whats up with the upbringing of kids these days!*
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...cles/marconi-abandons-fc-1-fighter-bid-53136/
I hope when you were playing with kids in kindergarten there were people like me working on projects like these. Just because I don’t post here doesn’t mean I dont follow this forum. Due to contractual compulsions I couldn’t otherwise I have been following/posting on Pakistani Defence(before it lost its domain) /F-16.net when you were probably in Junior school!
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...n-agree-on-super-7-fighter-development-53912/
Now go and read the dates and increase your knowledge base! It’s from 1999.

Consequently in 2003 the designation changed to JF-17 Thunder!
https://web.archive.org/web/2014071...articles/sino-pakistani-fighter-flies-170984/

I’ll say this on record again! PAF personnel being deputed to Chengdu China were sent for Project Super 7! The designation of the Project changed in 2003!

@Deino Massive respect for you. I believe your one of the few Credible people left here on Defence.Pk. The designation of the project that I seem to have steered quite a bit of a controversy here was only Regarding how the PAF designated it in their own paper work. International defence Giants( Read Italian FIAR, Marconi,Thomson CSF etc) would respond to tender of FC-1/Super 7 back in the days. Heck even Denel once offered us their AAM in 1999-2000.

Mr Malik what’s up with swearing? You better do some research on the project and probably you need some classes on manners as well. *whats up with the upbringing of kids these days!*
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...cles/marconi-abandons-fc-1-fighter-bid-53136/
I hope when you were playing with kids in kindergarten there were people like me working on projects like these. Just because I don’t post here doesn’t mean I dont follow this forum. Due to contractual compulsions I couldn’t otherwise I have been following/posting on Pakistani Defence(before it lost its domain) /F-16.net when you were probably in Junior school!
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...n-agree-on-super-7-fighter-development-53912/
Now go and read the dates and increase your knowledge base! It’s from 1999.

Consequently in 2003 the designation changed to JF-17 Thunder!
https://web.archive.org/web/2014071...articles/sino-pakistani-fighter-flies-170984/

I’ll say this on record again! PAF personnel being deputed to Chengdu China were sent for Project Super 7! The designation of the Project changed in 2003!

@Deino Massive respect for you. I believe your one of the few Credible people left here on Defence.Pk. The designation of the project that I seem to have steered quite a bit of a controversy here was only Regarding how the PAF designated it in their own paper work. International defence Giants( Read Italian FIAR, Marconi,Thomson CSF etc) would respond to tender of FC-1/Super 7 back in the days. Heck even Denel once offered us their AAM in 1999-2000.

Mr Malik what’s up with swearing? You better do some research on the project and probably you need some classes on manners as well. *whats up with the upbringing of kids these days!*
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...cles/marconi-abandons-fc-1-fighter-bid-53136/
I hope when you were playing with kids in kindergarten there were people like me working on projects like these. Just because I don’t post here doesn’t mean I dont follow this forum. Due to contractual compulsions I couldn’t otherwise I have been following/posting on Pakistani Defence(before it lost its domain) /F-16.net when you were probably in Junior school!
https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...n-agree-on-super-7-fighter-development-53912/
Now go and read the dates and increase your knowledge base! It’s from 1999.

Consequently in 2003 the designation changed to JF-17 Thunder!
https://web.archive.org/web/2014071...articles/sino-pakistani-fighter-flies-170984/

I’ll say this on record again! PAF personnel being deputed to Chengdu China were sent for Project Super 7! The designation of the Project changed in 2003!

@Deino Massive respect for you. I believe your one of the few Credible people left here on Defence.Pk. The designation of the project that I seem to have steered quite a bit of a controversy here was only Regarding how the PAF designated it in their own paper work. International defence Giants( Read Italian FIAR, Marconi,Thomson CSF etc) would respond to tender of FC-1/Super 7 back in the days. Heck even Denel once offered us their AAM in 1999-2000.

@denel

 

[BRAVO_]

When you’re a nation the size of China, the ability to cover such vast air space becomes much more essential, particularly with China’s maritime military ambitions, while for small ranges, in the presence of J-10, JF-17 does not fit in the chines requirement.

 

[The Eagle]

In-case if members forgot, the subject is

SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate.

 

[jupiter2007]

Pakistan should come up with AZM fighter design similar to Korean 5th generation fighter.

 

[mingle]

Pakistan should come up with AZM fighter design similar to Korean 5th generation fighter.

All 5th Gen jetts gonna look alike brothers and sisters

 

[GriffinsRule]

All 5th Gen jetts gonna look alike brothers and sisters

Form follows function.

Though YF-23 was a trailblazer design.

 

[Silicon0000]

Pakistan should come up with AZM fighter design similar to Korean 5th generation fighter.

Useless wishlist thing.

There is no Stealth without internal weapon bay. Only little bit reduced Radar signature.

Not worthy and not the true 5th Gen.

Only waste of time and resources like LCA.

 

[Syed1.]

It cannot be 5th Gen if it has weapons mounted externally

 

[GriffinsRule]

It cannot be 5th Gen if it has weapons mounted externally

Yea its a LO design, not necessarily all specturm stealth. Still, with recessed weapons on the body instead of internal bays, if it was flying with clean wings, would still be tough to spot and would have a lower RCS than every 4-4.5 gen aircraft. Its a very pragmatic design and probably costs a lot less. When you factor in that most stealth fighters cant carry a meaningful A-G load and will carry weapons on their wings, it makes sense for even a developed nation like SK to design something along these lines for practicality.

 

[Quwa]

Pakistan should come up with AZM fighter design similar to Korean 5th generation fighter.

Speculation: I think the PAF FGFA design will be similar in concept to the KF-X. You'll notice that the launch version of the KF-X also lacks an internal bay @messiach @Oscar. The PAF seems to be more focused on getting a specific range and payload level up in the air (with a complex line of electronics) than 'stealth'. South Korea was thinking on the same lines.

 

[SQ8]

Speculation: I think the PAF FGFA design will be similar in concept to the KF-X. You'll notice that the launch version of the KF-X also lacks an internal bay @messiach @Oscar. The PAF seems to be more focused on getting a specific range and payload level up in the air (with a complex line of electronics) than 'stealth'. South Korea was thinking on the same lines.

Stealth is relative to detection technology. A F-22 is the size of a hummingbird from some angles because that is the highest spike certain bands of radar will see reflected back.

In the case of the KF-X, it’s possible that the program wants to keep the highest return to the external weapons. So flush mounted missiles could bring the return size down to that of a small drone.
However, KFC threat spectrum is Chinese and Russian in nature which they may not face the best of hence lower requirementsz

The PAF is likely going to face pretty decent radars so it has to keep its requirements pertinent to that threat.